Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

obby1 · 14-01-2019 11:09AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

casey is what you d call, a populist, populists sometimes couldnt give a rats arse about 'the people'

I suppose Leo & co are not? they really care about 'the people'

obby1 · 14-01-2019 11:12AM

when they build a halting site in the following places , then the media can have a real discussion.
Foxrock
Dalkey
Castleknock
Blackrock
Howth
feel free to add to the list of areas that deserve a halting site

Wanderer78 · 14-01-2019 11:12AM

obby1 wrote: »

I suppose Leo & co are not? they really care about 'the people'

in a way, yes and no, id imagine largely yes, but its our overall political ideologies are preventing us from dealing with these complex social issues. we re effectively watching project 'personal responsibility' in action, do we really want more of the same?

washman3 · 14-01-2019 11:12AM

2011 wrote: »

"Margaret Cash appears in court over stealing €300 worth of clothes from Pennys" the thread that just keeps on giving. Over 250 pages of ranting in an echo chamber. Perhaps it is time to move on?

Fine so. Let's all bury our collective heads in the sand along with the politicians, PC brigade,journalists,judges and other members of the judicial system (sorry judicial industry) and pretend there's not a problem.
Shure it'll all be grand. Typical Irish solution to all situations.

obby1 · 14-01-2019 11:13AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but its our overall political ideologies are preventing us from dealing with these complex social issues.

Whats the problem?
Break the law, go to jail

pjohnson · 14-01-2019 11:13AM

washman3 wrote: »

Fine so. Let's all bury our collective heads in the sand along with the politicians, PC brigade,journalists,judges and other members of the judicial system (sorry judicial industry) and pretend there's not a problem.
Shure it'll all be grand. Typical Irish solution to all situations.

Nah better ye lot keep cryin on. Thread id one of AH's funniest tbh. Humour is in short supply here these days.

Gravelly · 14-01-2019 11:16AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Its almost like those ranting and raving here in AH dont actually represent the majority. I mean AH said Casey would win by a landslide and how did that turn out?

"AH said"

What does that mean? Who said Casey "would win by a landslide"? I didn't see anyone say that, not to mention enough people saying it that you can arbitrarily decide that it is the collective voice of AH.

Wanderer78 · 14-01-2019 11:20AM

obby1 wrote: »

Whats the problem?
Break the law, go to jail

does jailing people actually work, does it resolve these type of issues? i will agree though, our legal system is a part of the problem

marieholmfan · 14-01-2019 11:22AM

jjmcclure wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

Where are RTE now?

Will Penney's defray the costs associated with her trial?

pjohnson · 14-01-2019 11:23AM

Gravelly wrote: »

"AH said"
What does that mean? Who said Casey "would win by a landslide"? I didn't see anyone say that, not to mention enough people saying it that you can arbitrarily decide that it is the collective voice of AH.

54% voted Casey in the AH poll. A real life 54% would have made him president. He got 20%.

Gravelly · 14-01-2019 11:26AM

pjohnson wrote: »

54% voted Casey in the AH poll. That did not appear to translate into the actual poll.

54% voted Casey in the AH poll. A real life 54% would have made him president. He got 20%.

Very dishonest post then - you are translating the results of a poll on what people wanted to happen into a fictitious claim that people predicted it would happen.

freshpopcorn · 14-01-2019 11:36AM

obby1 wrote: »

when they build a halting site in the following places , then the media can have a real discussion.
Foxrock
Dalkey
Castleknock
Blackrock
Howth
feel free to add to the list of areas that deserve a halting site

This would be an interesting
If the government houses a lot of traveller families in these location for the next seven years.(Approx)
In the next presidential election if Peter Casey did run again it would be interesting to see how they'd vote.

BattleCorp · 14-01-2019 11:39AM

obby1 wrote: »

when they build a halting site in the following places , then the media can have a real discussion.
Foxrock
Dalkey
Castleknock
Blackrock
Howth
feel free to add to the list of areas that deserve a halting site

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This would be an interesting
If the government houses a lot of traveller families in these location for the next seven years.(Approx)
In the next presidential election if Peter Casey did run again it would be interesting to see how they'd vote.

The Phoenix Park. You'd fit a lot of caravans in there.

Gravelly · 14-01-2019 11:46AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This would be an interesting
If the government houses a lot of traveller families in these location for the next seven years.(Approx)
In the next presidential election if Peter Casey did run again it would be interesting to see how they'd vote.

The people who influence opinion - the journalists, commentators, writers, politicians, etc. are overwhelmingly isolated from any of the issues that get the blood up in the general public - hospital waiting lists, halting sites, crime, house prices, immigration, etc. Since none of these things adversely affect them, they paint any opposition or unrest about these issues as ignorance on the part of the great unwashed.
Unfortunately, many of those who are affected by these issues are too weak to realise that they are being brainwashed into voting a certain way by people who believe them to be unworthy of real representation.

When you see your local politician, journalist or judge living beside a halting site, competing with an immigrant for their job, and queuing for hospital treatment, then things will change. Which obviously will be never.

Mad_maxx · 14-01-2019 12:10PM

Gravelly wrote: »

The people who influence opinion - the journalists, commentators, writers, politicians, etc. are overwhelmingly isolated from any of the issues that get the blood up in the general public - hospital waiting lists, halting sites, crime, house prices, immigration, etc. Since none of these things adversely affect them, they paint any opposition or unrest about these issues as ignorance on the part of the great unwashed.
Unfortunately, many of those who are affected by these issues are too weak to realise that they are being brainwashed into voting a certain way by people who believe them to be unworthy of real representation.

When you see your local politician, journalist or judge living beside a halting site, competing with an immigrant for their job, and queuing for hospital treatment, then things will change. Which obviously will be never.

Its really only the looney left who have any love for travellers, majority of TD, s pay lip service so as not be out of favour with the left wing media who they need much of the time, your average FG, FF or even Labour politician knows what they are like, as the green party are hopelessly naive and overwhelmingly live in Dublin South East, I suspect their infatuation is sincere

While most of the media live in comfortably middle class locations, they are invariably pretensious arty type **** who cannot help but row in behind anyone who annoys the totally uncool middle Ireland man or woman

Loving travellers is an article of faith for champagne socialists

Mad_maxx · 14-01-2019 12:16PM

obby1 wrote: »

he went from 2% to 20+% over night with his statement, if he made it at the start who knows what would have happened.
I do know one thing, try living near them before you form a opinion

Plus the media done no polling in the intervening period between his comments and the election so this kept a lid on any building momentum

BattleCorp · 14-01-2019 12:30PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Plus the media done no polling in the intervening period between his comments and the election so this kept a lid on any building momentum

Considering he had the media whipping up a frenzy against him, he did quite well.

The media are in a nice little bubble and not really in touch with the common man.

Mad_maxx · 14-01-2019 12:47PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Considering he had the media whipping up a frenzy against him, he did quite well.

The media are in a nice little bubble and not really in touch with the common man.

The media hate middle Ireland, why do you think the media portray all direct provision centres opening as a joyous celebration and present all opposition as the work of the extreme right

tayto lover · 14-01-2019 01:00PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Its almost like those ranting and raving here in AH dont actually represent the majority. I mean AH said Casey would win by a landslide and how did that turn out?

I can't find any posts that said that.
Could you point a few of them out please?

kowloon · 14-01-2019 01:20PM

tuxy wrote: »

As Joe Duffy would say "How did you know they were travellers?" :rolleyes:

A New Zealander won't know traveller from non-traveller and may come to the conclusion that all Irish people act this way. Which is about as fair as people on here saying all travellers are rats.
People need to keep it in mind when they whine about identity politics, the left/right, conservative/progressive and so on.
Maybe we can all stop being ****ty human beings without another war to remind us. 'A storm is coming for these people', maybe it's time to step back and think rather than running on emotion.

donkeykong5 · 14-01-2019 01:42PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

obby1 wrote: »

You can't complain, you had your chance to vote in the presidential election for a man who called them out on their BS, the public decided to put Higgins back in, a man who sings the praises of their unique culture.
If Peter Casey does run in the GE, get behind him, and maybe FG/FF will do something about it if Casey romps home a big winner.

casey is what you d call, a populist, populists sometimes couldnt give a rats arse about 'the people'

Casey has more empathy in his little finger than higgo has in his entire body.

obby1 · 14-01-2019 01:50PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This would be an interesting
If the government houses a lot of traveller families in these location for the next seven years.(Approx)
In the next presidential election if Peter Casey did run again it would be interesting to see how they'd vote.

Peter Casey would win big, be like the results of a election in N.KOREA, 99% for Casey, only difference would be the election would not be rigged

BattleCorp · 14-01-2019 01:52PM

obby1 wrote: »

Peter Casey would win big, be like the results of a election in N.KOREA, 99% for Casey, only difference would be the election would not be rigged

I'm on Casey's side in that I agree that there is a problem with traveller culture etc.

He lifted a lid on a can of worms that nobody else was willing to do. In that I commend him.

But I don't think he is a very articulate speaker and doubt he'd make a very good politician.

obby1 · 14-01-2019 01:54PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Its really only the looney left who have any love for travellers, majority of TD, s pay lip service so as not be out of favour with the left wing media who s

Big scandal of Ireland , look who gets appointed to Government boards/quangos, see the number of journalists who get these handy numbers and you know why the country does not have a real media reporting the news.

obby1 · 14-01-2019 01:59PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm on Casey's side in that I agree that there is a problem with traveller culture etc.

He lifted a lid on a can of worms that nobody else was willing to do. In that I commend him.

But I don't think he is a very articulate speaker and doubt he'd make a very good politician.

That why he would be popular, he is not a product of media spin doctors , a political stepford wife, who tows the party line, all singing from the same PC hymn sheet.
He is voicing what the men and women of the real world think, look at the Trump victory in Usa, the media and politicians gave him no chance, Ireland is primed for our own Trump, not saying it will be Casey, but i can see a political shock coming.

Wanderer78 · 14-01-2019 02:03PM

donkeykong5 wrote:

Casey has more empathy in his little finger than higgo has in his entire body.

He does in his bollocks, he couldn't give a ****e, you ve been had!

kowloon · 14-01-2019 02:03PM

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Casey has more empathy in his little finger than higgo has in his entire body.

Because he hates the same people as you? What are you basing this on?

Kingp35 · 14-01-2019 02:35PM

obby1 wrote: »

when they build a halting site in the following places , then the media can have a real discussion.
Foxrock
Dalkey
Castleknock
Blackrock
Howth
feel free to add to the list of areas that deserve a halting site

I'm from Dalkey. Two traveller families have lived in Dalkey for 30 odd years with very little trouble from them. Granted they are settled travellers but my point still stands.

obby1 · 14-01-2019 02:45PM

Kingp35 wrote: »

I'm from Dalkey. Two traveller families have lived in Dalkey for 30 odd years with very little trouble from them. Granted they are settled travellers but my point still stands.

oxymoron, settled travellers, so they now have a link to the community, shocked i am, people not causing trouble where they have set down roots.

boombang · 14-01-2019 02:48PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/large-garda-presence-at-traveller-funeral-in-longford-town-1.3757323

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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