I'm not a vegan, but....lambs....

dense · 12-01-2019 01:23AM #1

Watching Prime Time the other night and there was a segment about veganism.

I sat down expecting to be scoffing at the vegan (Sandra Higgins?) but I found her to be very impressive because she was going on about the animals' feelings and fears prior to being despatched along with how we should treat animals as contemporaries referring to then as "someone" who has feelings, which was a bit odd.

There was also a lady representing farming, she was OK but didn't command the emotional high ground.

Afterwards I was thinking that if my kids and I were out walking and one of them asked me why we kill lambs to eat them I'd be struggling to give a reason.

The same if they asked me about fish and their feelings about being hooked or netted.

Anyone else affected by her, or am I going soft in old age?
NO? OK!

kneemos · 12-01-2019 01:38AM

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.
We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

c.p.w.g.w · 12-01-2019 01:47AM

kneemos wrote: »

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.
We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

antodeco · 12-01-2019 01:48AM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

Lovely to look at. Lovely to eat.

Zaph · 12-01-2019 01:51AM

kneemos wrote: »

We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

A pity really, mutton is delicious. It's like lamb, only with a stronger flavour. We always got a whole sheep to put in the freezer when I was a kid, but I can't remember the last time I saw mutton for sale anywhere.

work · 12-01-2019 01:51AM

don't have a solution to the emotive issue of eating the animals but where would sheep, chickens, beef go if we didn't eat them.....probably be extinct

gctest50 · 12-01-2019 01:52AM

I was thinking that if my kids and I were out walking and one of them asked me why we kill lambs to eat them I'd be struggling to give a reason why i'd be putting them up for adoption when we got home

anewme · 12-01-2019 01:53AM

You can only come to your own conclusion.

One step at a time.

Nekarsulm · 12-01-2019 01:55AM

The point is, we don't kill and eat cute lambs, any more than we kill and eat cute calves or piglets.
We kill and eat grown sheep and lambs, the kind of animal that would crack your knee cap with a head butt, or in the case if the calf, that has grown into 600 kilos of muscle and bone that could (and occasionally does) kill people.

Tiger cubs are cute, bear cubs are cute, but they would rip your head off when adult and scoop out the innards for a snack.

All down to our unfortunate inclination to anthropomorphize the young of animals, and then wonder why animals act like animals instead of Disney or Aardman creations.

dense · 12-01-2019 02:00AM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

Yeah, I think they're cute too, but don't like the taste, which makes it more awkward!

kneemos · 12-01-2019 02:03AM

Zaph wrote: »

A pity really, mutton is delicious. It's like lamb, only with a stronger flavour. We always got a whole sheep to put in the freezer when I was a kid, but I can't remember the last time I saw mutton for sale anywhere.

Mutton stew is the business. Haven't had one since I was a kid though.

12-01-2019 02:11AM

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though

Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

dense · 12-01-2019 02:15AM

kneemos wrote: »

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.

Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.

Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?

I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

DrPhilG · 12-01-2019 02:16AM

dense wrote: »

didn't command the emotional high ground.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I watched the segment. I thought the farming representative was toothless and let the emotional hippy steamroll her. The host was bloody useless too and only in the last few minutes started telling her to be quiet and let the other girl speak.

On the one hand letting the Vegan go buck wild and make an ass of herself might have been her plan, but it came across like she just got shouted down and interrupted on every sentence.

dense · 12-01-2019 02:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though

Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

+1

Sorry I can't see the video, not on facebook, but not sure I want to either.

Kevin Finnerty · 12-01-2019 02:18AM

Lambs know what's going on in slaughter houses. Always used to keep them isolated from the kill mat in the abbatoir I worked in til the last minute before killing them.
Worst was pigs, they'd stare at you with an almost human eye while preparing to stun them. They knew what was coming.

kneemos · 12-01-2019 02:45AM

dense wrote: »

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.

Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.

Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?

I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

I've seen Lambs being killed. They follow each other happily enough towards the guy with the big knife.
Probably where the phrase "like Lambs to the slaughter" comes from.

Sheepdish1 · 12-01-2019 02:48AM

I think more people are starting to question if meat is really a need or a want. I’ve never eaten meat as I realised from a very young age the full process of preparing meat from relatives that were farmers/ butchers. I would see animals/ chicks grow up and found it distressing seeing them being loaded onto the truck for slaughterhouse. I also saw meat being prepared for butchers etc. My relations also hunted so I saw pheasants being hung/ plucked/ prepared/ cooked/ eaten.

I don’t preach about not eating meat but people often ask me, usually during a meal, why I don’t eat it. When I start explaining why they tell me to stop that they don’t want to know as I’ll put them off their food...I often wonder would people eat meat if they knew the full gory process or if they had to kill the animal themselves!

I’m now contemplating becoming vegan as starting to feel pang of guilt with dairy products....I’ll miss cheese sooooo much!

For me industrial farming seems worse than hunting a wild animal. Imo a cow, pig, lamb etc really is no different to a dog in terms of intelligence.

pleas advice · 12-01-2019 04:06AM

It's lamb, Lisa, not *a* lamb

dense · 12-01-2019 04:18AM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

I think more people are starting to question if meat is really a need or a want. I’ve never eaten meat as I realised from a very young age the full process of preparing meat from relatives that were farmers/ butchers. I would see animals/ chicks grow up and found it distressing seeing them being loaded onto the truck for slaughterhouse. I also saw meat being prepared for butchers etc. My relations also hunted so I saw pheasants being hung/ plucked/ prepared/ cooked/ eaten.

I don’t preach about not eating meat but people often ask me, usually during a meal, why I don’t eat it. When I start explaining why they tell me to stop that they don’t want to know as I’ll put them off their food...I often wonder would people eat meat if they knew the full gory process or if they had to kill the animal themselves!

I’m now contemplating becoming vegan as starting to feel pang of guilt with dairy products....I’ll miss cheese sooooo much!

For me industrial farming seems worse than hunting a wild animal. Imo a cow, pig, lamb etc really is no different to a dog in terms of intelligence.

Good point about the dogs.

I remember years ago as a child, we used to go to an old car park that was elevated and you could see into a slaughterhouse. Always wondered what sort of person could work there with rivers of blood flowing over their boots.

Admired them in one way, for their "toughness". Disgusted in another, but at the time probably only because of the blood and guts rather than strictly animal welfare concerns.

gozunda · 12-01-2019 05:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just saw the film ....recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though
Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry: https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

Nice attempt of veganism through propaganda. The first link provided to the Film 'Unity' is one of the biggest piece of rubbish vegan scaremongering you can find.

The second facebook clip IS NOT an Irish slaughterhouse and is published by PETA who are known to abduct and kill people's pets in the US and elsewhere so dont get me started on that bunch of barstewards.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

First Irish slaughter facilities are DOA inspected by department vets. I have been to several and nothing like your rabid imaginations is even close to the truth. Go educate yourself and do not rely on the rubbish posted by extremist vegans to learn how animals are treated.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/ear-to-the-ground/SI0000000488?epguid=IP000064923

Mooooo · 12-01-2019 05:24AM

dense wrote: »

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.

Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.

Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?

I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

Kill it cook it eat it was on channel 4 for a couple of seasons didn't have much of an effect.
People expect things now to appear in front of them and think no more. Years ago more people lived and worked rurally and in cities a lot of the work was also associated with at produce with most having their own abbatoirs.
People appear horrified at cattle farming and then pay no need to farmers in Mexico terrorised by drug cartels while they eat their avocado or the fact the clothes they buy because "wool is so cruel " come from areas where child labour is so rampant.
Buy local dairy meat fruit and veg. The EU have the highest standards in the world on animal welfare on farms

freshpopcorn · 12-01-2019 05:40AM

There used be a meat factory in my town. Small local town.
Workers were mainly local and during the summer there used be Summer jobs for students.
Some of these people would have being from the town and others from farms.
Originally the animals used be slaughtered on site. Brought in stunned, killed, hings, butchered,etc before being processed/package.
There used always be the odd student who'd faint at the process but it never really surprised people.(They weren't even involved/near the slaughtering most of the time)
Even when the slaughtering section closed down and it was mainly a bit of processing and packaging there used always be the odd person who'd give up meat.
It didn't turn the vast majority of workers off and they went to the shop on site where you could get a bit of a discount.

prinzeugen · 12-01-2019 05:50AM

We need meat.

Any vegan that says otherwise is talking bollox. Its a hipster fad that will pass.

RIP pulled pork, craft beer, craft gin, street food and pubic hair beards!

seaking · 12-01-2019 07:01AM

dense wrote: »

Good point about the dogs.

I remember years ago as a child, we used to go to an old car park that was elevated and you could see into a slaughterhouse. Always wondered what sort of person could work there with rivers of blood flowing over their boots.

Admired them in one way, for their "toughness". Disgusted in another, but at the time probably only because of the blood and guts rather than strictly animal welfare concerns.

What were you brought up on . did you never have a good dublin coddle the op is right it,s just a fad it will pass . vegans a load of BS

cursai · 12-01-2019 07:13AM

Lambs.............nothing but baby lamb shank. Salty tears.

**** em'

cursai · 12-01-2019 07:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though

Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTwould have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

Never met a vegan Tiger or a hipster hyena.......Mmmmm soy based hyena shank.

Ultimanemo · 12-01-2019 07:34AM

If we all stop eating meat what will happen to farm animals?.
They will become extinct, who is going to keep a cow as a pet?. The land will be used to grow plants to generate income.
Do farm animals prefer to go extinct or to be used the way it is now, I am not sure but that what is happening in nature for hundreds of millions of years, predators eat prey, I see in documentaries when buffalos stuck in the mud lions eat them alive, environmentalists see that as "natural" and go to serengeti to watch it, when humans slaughter lamb, that is savage.

Fighting Tao · 12-01-2019 07:45AM

Without us eating meat there wouldn’t be any lambs in the fields. Same with all other animals. They wouldn’t have any life at all.

Atoms for Peace · 12-01-2019 07:45AM

Meanwhile the rainforest get chopped down to grow palm oil, avocados etc. to feed the vegans.

Peatys · 12-01-2019 07:50AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The point is, we don't kill and eat cute lambs, any more than we kill and eat cute calves or piglets.
We kill and eat grown sheep and lambs, the kind of animal that would crack your knee cap with a head butt, or in the case if the calf, that has grown into 600 kilos of muscle and bone that could (and occasionally does) kill people.

Tiger cubs are cute, bear cubs are cute, but they would rip your head off when adult and scoop out the innards for a snack.

All down to our unfortunate inclination to anthropomorphize the young of animals, and then wonder why animals act like animals instead of Disney or Aardman creations.

Lambs.
Get Them, Before They Get You

I'm not a vegan, but....lambs....

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