I'm not a vegan, but....lambs....

dense

Watching Prime Time the other night and there was a segment about veganism.


I sat down expecting to be scoffing at the vegan (Sandra Higgins?) but I found her to be very impressive because she was going on about the animals' feelings and fears prior to being despatched along with how we should treat animals as contemporaries referring to then as "someone" who has feelings, which was a bit odd.


There was also a lady representing farming, she was OK but didn't command the emotional high ground.



Afterwards I was thinking that if my kids and I were out walking and one of them asked me why we kill lambs to eat them I'd be struggling to give a reason.


The same if they asked me about fish and their feelings about being hooked or netted.


Anyone else affected by her, or am I going soft in old age?
NO? OK!

kneemos

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.
We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

c.p.w.g.w

kneemos wrote: »

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.
We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

antodeco

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

Lovely to look at. Lovely to eat.

Zaph

kneemos wrote: »

We don't however eat much of the adult Sheep in Ireland that I'm aware of. Most of it goes to export.

A pity really, mutton is delicious. It's like lamb, only with a stronger flavour. We always got a whole sheep to put in the freezer when I was a kid, but I can't remember the last time I saw mutton for sale anywhere.

work

don't have a solution to the emotive issue of eating the animals but where would sheep, chickens, beef go if we didn't eat them.....probably be extinct

gctest50

I was thinking that if my kids and I were out walking and one of them asked me why we kill lambs to eat them I'd be struggling to give a reason why i'd be putting them up for adoption when we got home

anewme

You can only come to your own conclusion.

One step at a time.

Nekarsulm

The point is, we don't kill and eat cute lambs, any more than we kill and eat cute calves or piglets.
We kill and eat grown sheep and lambs, the kind of animal that would crack your knee cap with a head butt, or in the case if the calf, that has grown into 600 kilos of muscle and bone that could (and occasionally does) kill people.

Tiger cubs are cute, bear cubs are cute, but they would rip your head off when adult and scoop out the innards for a snack.

All down to our unfortunate inclination to anthropomorphize the young of animals, and then wonder why animals act like animals instead of Disney or Aardman creations.

dense

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Often walk in the country side and admire the cute lambs...But Christ are they delish

Yeah, I think they're cute too, but don't like the taste, which makes it more awkward!

kneemos

Zaph wrote: »

A pity really, mutton is delicious. It's like lamb, only with a stronger flavour. We always got a whole sheep to put in the freezer when I was a kid, but I can't remember the last time I saw mutton for sale anywhere.

Mutton stew is the business. Haven't had one since I was a kid though.

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though


Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

dense

kneemos wrote: »

The Lambs presumably aren't aware of their mortality.

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.



Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.



Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?


I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

DrPhilG

dense wrote: »

didn't command the emotional high ground.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I watched the segment. I thought the farming representative was toothless and let the emotional hippy steamroll her. The host was bloody useless too and only in the last few minutes started telling her to be quiet and let the other girl speak.

On the one hand letting the Vegan go buck wild and make an ass of herself might have been her plan, but it came across like she just got shouted down and interrupted on every sentence.

dense

Deleted User wrote: »

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though


Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

+1


Sorry I can't see the video, not on facebook, but not sure I want to either.

Kevin Finnerty

Lambs know what's going on in slaughter houses. Always used to keep them isolated from the kill mat in the abbatoir I worked in til the last minute before killing them.
Worst was pigs, they'd stare at you with an almost human eye while preparing to stun them. They knew what was coming.

kneemos

dense wrote: »

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.



Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.



Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?


I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

I've seen Lambs being killed. They follow each other happily enough towards the guy with the big knife.
Probably where the phrase "like Lambs to the slaughter" comes from.

Sheepdish1

I think more people are starting to question if meat is really a need or a want. I’ve never eaten meat as I realised from a very young age the full process of preparing meat from relatives that were farmers/ butchers. I would see animals/ chicks grow up and found it distressing seeing them being loaded onto the truck for slaughterhouse. I also saw meat being prepared for butchers etc. My relations also hunted so I saw pheasants being hung/ plucked/ prepared/ cooked/ eaten.

I don’t preach about not eating meat but people often ask me, usually during a meal, why I don’t eat it. When I start explaining why they tell me to stop that they don’t want to know as I’ll put them off their food...I often wonder would people eat meat if they knew the full gory process or if they had to kill the animal themselves!

I’m now contemplating becoming vegan as starting to feel pang of guilt with dairy products....I’ll miss cheese sooooo much!

For me industrial farming seems worse than hunting a wild animal. Imo a cow, pig, lamb etc really is no different to a dog in terms of intelligence.

pleas advice

It's lamb, Lisa, not *a* lamb

dense

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

I think more people are starting to question if meat is really a need or a want. I’ve never eaten meat as I realised from a very young age the full process of preparing meat from relatives that were farmers/ butchers. I would see animals/ chicks grow up and found it distressing seeing them being loaded onto the truck for slaughterhouse. I also saw meat being prepared for butchers etc. My relations also hunted so I saw pheasants being hung/ plucked/ prepared/ cooked/ eaten.

I don’t preach about not eating meat but people often ask me, usually during a meal, why I don’t eat it. When I start explaining why they tell me to stop that they don’t want to know as I’ll put them off their food...I often wonder would people eat meat if they knew the full gory process or if they had to kill the animal themselves!

I’m now contemplating becoming vegan as starting to feel pang of guilt with dairy products....I’ll miss cheese sooooo much!

For me industrial farming seems worse than hunting a wild animal. Imo a cow, pig, lamb etc really is no different to a dog in terms of intelligence.

Good point about the dogs.



I remember years ago as a child, we used to go to an old car park that was elevated and you could see into a slaughterhouse. Always wondered what sort of person could work there with rivers of blood flowing over their boots.


Admired them in one way, for their "toughness". Disgusted in another, but at the time probably only because of the blood and guts rather than strictly animal welfare concerns.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just saw the film ....recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though
Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTÉ would have explosive consequences for that industry: https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

Nice attempt of veganism through propaganda. The first link provided to the Film 'Unity' is one of the biggest piece of rubbish vegan scaremongering you can find.

The second facebook clip IS NOT an Irish slaughterhouse and is published by PETA who are known to abduct and kill people's pets in the US and elsewhere so dont get me started on that bunch of barstewards.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

First Irish slaughter facilities are DOA inspected by department vets. I have been to several and nothing like your rabid imaginations is even close to the truth. Go educate yourself and do not rely on the rubbish posted by extremist vegans to learn how animals are treated.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/ear-to-the-ground/SI0000000488?epguid=IP000064923

Mooooo

dense wrote: »

Hopefully not, but at the same time there's none too many abattoir videos posted by Bord Bia showing lambs being killed either.



Only being cooked!

Because it would affect trade.



Are there any videos of animals being killed/insert apprpriate phrase, for food, that aren't recorded undercover by activists?


I don't necessarily want to look at them, rather know if the various state agencies have ever done so to demonstrate the methods used ensuring the animals are not freaked out beforehand.

Kill it cook it eat it was on channel 4 for a couple of seasons didn't have much of an effect.
People expect things now to appear in front of them and think no more. Years ago more people lived and worked rurally and in cities a lot of the work was also associated with at produce with most having their own abbatoirs.
People appear horrified at cattle farming and then pay no need to farmers in Mexico terrorised by drug cartels while they eat their avocado or the fact the clothes they buy because "wool is so cruel " come from areas where child labour is so rampant.
Buy local dairy meat fruit and veg. The EU have the highest standards in the world on animal welfare on farms

freshpopcorn

There used be a meat factory in my town. Small local town.
Workers were mainly local and during the summer there used be Summer jobs for students.
Some of these people would have being from the town and others from farms.
Originally the animals used be slaughtered on site. Brought in stunned, killed, hings, butchered,etc before being processed/package.
There used always be the odd student who'd faint at the process but it never really surprised people.(They weren't even involved/near the slaughtering most of the time)
Even when the slaughtering section closed down and it was mainly a bit of processing and packaging there used always be the odd person who'd give up meat.
It didn't turn the vast majority of workers off and they went to the shop on site where you could get a bit of a discount.

prinzeugen

We need meat.

Any vegan that says otherwise is talking bollox. Its a hipster fad that will pass.

RIP pulled pork, craft beer, craft gin, street food and pubic hair beards!

seaking

dense wrote: »

Good point about the dogs.



I remember years ago as a child, we used to go to an old car park that was elevated and you could see into a slaughterhouse. Always wondered what sort of person could work there with rivers of blood flowing over their boots.


Admired them in one way, for their "toughness". Disgusted in another, but at the time probably only because of the blood and guts rather than strictly animal welfare concerns.

What were you brought up on . did you never have a good dublin coddle the op is right it,s just a fad it will pass . vegans a load of BS

cursai

Lambs.............nothing but baby lamb shank. Salty tears.



**** em'

cursai

Deleted User wrote: »

Just saw the film Unity (2015) recently and the opening scene really got me thinking about the feelings of animals, and their fear, before they are executed. Haven't eaten much meat since the whole horsemeat scandal as it was the last straw in terms of trusting those companies. I'd be much more a pescatarian than a vegetarian, though


Anyway, this scene of cattle in a slaughterhouse has really opened my consciousness to animal suffering. I sense a hidden camera in an Irish meat factory that would be broadcast on RTwould have explosive consequences for that industry:

https://www.facebook.com/official.peta/videos/10153797384314586/

Never met a vegan Tiger or a hipster hyena.......Mmmmm soy based hyena shank.

Ultimanemo

If we all stop eating meat what will happen to farm animals?.
They will become extinct, who is going to keep a cow as a pet?. The land will be used to grow plants to generate income.
Do farm animals prefer to go extinct or to be used the way it is now, I am not sure but that what is happening in nature for hundreds of millions of years, predators eat prey, I see in documentaries when buffalos stuck in the mud lions eat them alive, environmentalists see that as "natural" and go to serengeti to watch it, when humans slaughter lamb, that is savage.

Fighting Tao

Without us eating meat there wouldn’t be any lambs in the fields. Same with all other animals. They wouldn’t have any life at all.

Atoms for Peace

Meanwhile the rainforest get chopped down to grow palm oil, avocados etc. to feed the vegans.

Peatys

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The point is, we don't kill and eat cute lambs, any more than we kill and eat cute calves or piglets.
We kill and eat grown sheep and lambs, the kind of animal that would crack your knee cap with a head butt, or in the case if the calf, that has grown into 600 kilos of muscle and bone that could (and occasionally does) kill people.

Tiger cubs are cute, bear cubs are cute, but they would rip your head off when adult and scoop out the innards for a snack.

All down to our unfortunate inclination to anthropomorphize the young of animals, and then wonder why animals act like animals instead of Disney or Aardman creations.

Lambs.
Get Them, Before They Get You

lbc2019

I don't like lamb

Rows Grower

kneemos wrote: »

I've seen Lambs being killed. They follow each other happily enough towards the guy with the big knife.
Probably where the phrase "like Lambs to the slaughter" comes from.

Usually here in Ireland they would be at least stunned first before the knife is involved. A lot of times the stun gun will actually kill them.

I've seen it happen a lot of times and usually beforehand they sense that the days in the meadow are over and take some skillful handling.

Cows are worse and pigs are worse again.

Graces7

prinzeugen wrote: »

We need meat.

Any vegan that says otherwise is talking bollox. Its a hipster fad that will pass.

RIP pulled pork, craft beer, craft gin, street food and pubic hair beards!

We do not.

Raising eg cattle is destroying the planet.

ps I do not use labels like vegan; just a person who chooses not to cause killing

Graces7

Not eaten lamb since I hand raised twin lambs.


Now almost never any meat. I have to feed the cats meat as they are obligate carnivores but only ever chicken. Hate that but there is no other way.

Like to be able to look the critters in the face with no thoughts of my belly

Carnivorism involves cruelty and killing. No way .


Over and out from me; heard all the lame excuses and not impressed. shudders

Have a nice day and blessings to all kind folk

Rows Grower

Graces7 wrote: »

Not eaten lamb since I hand raised twin lambs.


Now almost never any meat. I have to feed the cats meat as they are obligate carnivores but only ever chicken. Hate that but there is no other way.

Like to be able to look the critters in the face with no thoughts of my belly

Carnivorism involves cruelty and killing. No way .


Over and out from me; heard all the lame excuses and not impressed. shudders

Have a nice day and blessings to all kind folk

You do know that all that pork, ham and rashers you've been posting about eating in the "What are you eating thread" comes from animals yeah?

Graces7

RG; your messages do not arrive here. Odd that... blank pages..

mrcheez

noticed there's a big campaign for veganism all of sudden (billboards up, aldi brochure having vegan section,etc). Is this the latest fad now that everyone is bored of the low-carb diet thing? Started noticing it everywhere about two months ago.

Fighting Tao

The human race wouldn’t have evolved as we did without the proteins from meat.

Veganism is a funny thing. Save the animals that will never exist without meat eaters but destroy the planet with the extra crops required to feed people.

Their cause is doing them no favours. When I hear the word ‘vegan’ I immediately think ‘radacalised’. As a grouping they do seem to have a higher percentage of crazy people than any other groupings.

Fighting Tao

mrcheez wrote: »

noticed there's a big campaign for veganism all of sudden (billboards up, aldi brochure having vegan section,etc). Is this the latest fad now that everyone is bored of the low-carb diet thing? Started noticing it everywhere about two months ago.

Supermarkets are happy to jump on all fads as there is profit in it. Just look at the gluten free one.

dubrov

Fighting Tao wrote:

Veganism is a funny thing. Save the animals that will never exist without meat eaters but destroy the planet with crops.

Offer the chance to not exist to a battery caged chicken and they would bite your hand off

Fighting Tao

dubrov wrote: »

Offer the chance to not exist to a battery caged chicken and they would bite your hand off

Yeah the delicious chickens are clever like that.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Rows Grower wrote: »

You do know that all that pork, ham and rashers you've been posting about eating in the "What are you eating thread" comes from animals yeah?

And, surprise surprise, the chicken fed to the cats on a daily basis comes from an animal.

There's some amount of hypocrisy going on.

Poll Dubh

work wrote: »

don't have a solution to the emotive issue of eating the animals but where would sheep, chickens, beef go if we didn't eat them.....probably be extinct

City farms will be become more popular where you can pay to visit the animals that were once in the countryside. Breed enthusiasts will keep the various breeds going for show competitions.

Zaph

The rabbits I hunt and kill for free meat are cute sometimes too I have to say. Only sometimes. Some of them are positively evil looking too. The goose that was wandering around my land until some time just before Christmas was pretty adorable in his own way too.

Other than that, I do try to source my meat as ethically as I possibly can. Which makes it more expensive at times. But I do my bit I guess.

But I am yet to have a vegan or vegetarian come up with an argument why eating meat is in and of itself a bad thing. All their commentary appears to be about the standards of our producing it. Which are good points, but slightly different topic to what I usually ask them.

Zaph wrote: »

A pity really, mutton is delicious. It's like lamb, only with a stronger flavour. We always got a whole sheep to put in the freezer when I was a kid, but I can't remember the last time I saw mutton for sale anywhere.

Hogget is where it is at for me

Mooooo

Poll Dubh wrote: »

City farms will be become more popular where you can pay to visit the animals that were once in the countryside. Breed enthusiasts will keep the various breeds going for show competitions.

Lol

JustAThought

I've yet to meet a healthy or happy vegan. Always wallowing in their nit picking over food and picking at nuts in tuppaware from their handbags at inappropriate times and then touching things with their licked fingers.

The happy lambs can bring me down but its hard to get enthuiastic over a staggering sheep -what would we do with the fields stuffed to the fences with decrepid smelly sheep and their wierd hooves.

OldMrBrennan83

Graces7 wrote: »

Not eaten lamb since I hand raised twin lambs.


Now almost never any meat. I have to feed the cats meat as they are obligate carnivores but only ever chicken. Hate that but there is no other way.

Like to be able to look the critters in the face with no thoughts of my belly

Carnivorism involves cruelty and killing. No way .


Over and out from me; heard all the lame excuses and not impressed. shudders

Have a nice day and blessings to all kind folk

Pigs are fair game though?

whisky_galore

mrcheez wrote: »

noticed there's a big campaign for veganism all of sudden (billboards up, aldi brochure having vegan section,etc). Is this the latest fad now that everyone is bored of the low-carb diet thing? Started noticing it everywhere about two months ago.

'Dairy takes babies from their mothers'

Get over yourselves, they're fcuking calves, not 'babies'. A preachy vegan lobby group (probably not even based here at all) putting this emotive shyte up.

OldMrBrennan83

whisky_galore wrote: »

'Dairy takes babies from their mothers'

Get over yourselves, they're fcuking calves, not 'babies'. A preachy vegan lobby group (probably not even based here at all) putting this emotive shyte up.

They seem to be very dangerous people too, but the supermarkets will latch onto any far to get a few more sales.

whisky_galore

Poll Dubh wrote: »

City farms will be become more popular where you can pay to visit the animals that were once in the countryside. Breed enthusiasts will keep the various breeds going for show competitions.

Haha, what a load of shyte!