What is the point of producing your licence in 10 days?

artanevilla · 10-01-2019 02:52PM

The easiest solution to all these problems is.......

Carry your licence with you at all times when driving as is required by law. No computers, no apps, no fancy systems talking to each other.....

Just a tiny bit of plastic.

The mind boggles, it really does.

GM228 · 10-01-2019 02:52PM

Vologda69 wrote: »

Gardai do not have access to NVDF (driving licence database) based out of Shannon. Gardai who present at NDLS offices looking for information about particular drivers are asked to email RSA for permission to access data. Never goes down well. And photos are only recorded on driver files since October 2013.

That's a load of rubbish.

Gardaí do have access to the NVDF which is integrated with Pulse and is updated on a weekly and twice weekly basis, they do not need any permission to access the information as legislation authorises their access.

grogi · 10-01-2019 03:03PM

artanevilla wrote: »

The easiest solution to all these problems is.......

Carry your licence with you at all times when driving as is required by law. No computers, no apps, no fancy systems talking to each other.....

Just a tiny bit of plastic.

The mind boggles, it really does.

Like grandpa did... In this date of age?

Are you really that proud to be years after Eastern Europeans?

artanevilla · 10-01-2019 03:19PM

grogi wrote: »

Like grandpa did... In this date of age?

Are you really that proud to be years after Eastern Europeans?

Creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist? That is not progress.

Reati · 10-01-2019 04:09PM

how.gareth wrote: »

How do you expect them to know you have a license? You could be Someone who’s banned from driving and just give the guards your friends details when stopped and ask him to produce them at the station

It's a relic from time gone by. Like having tax and insurance checkpoints.

In this case, using a handheld system that contains a copy of your drivers license. They already carry mobiles for stuff. Then they have a picture of you based on the details given like your license does? Not rocket science I don't think.

Amirani · 10-01-2019 04:10PM

I think the law about being required to carry your licence is fair and sensible. But I do think it's fair and reasonable that a Garda has discretion to allow you 10 days to produce it and to not apply penalty points automatically.

Let's say your're off away shopping a couple of hours away from home with the family. Your wallet gets robbed with your licence in it. Surely in this situation it's reasonable to drive home and replace your licence as soon as possible? Or is it tough **** and you should pay for a tow truck to come ferry your car back home and you have to find some enterprising taxi driver who's happy to drive your family a couple of counties over?

hullaballoo · 10-01-2019 04:19PM

The requirement to carry your licence is Orwellian behaviour from the State. How dare I be asked to prove I am someone who is competent to drive whilst in the act of driving by the people who are charged by society with ensuring the roads are safe.

Should be a mandatory suspension for any Garda who even asks my name.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 04:22PM

Reati wrote: »

It's a relic from time gone by. Like having tax and insurance checkpoints.

In this case, using a handheld system that contains a copy of your drivers license. They already carry mobiles for stuff. Then they have a picture of you based on the details given like your license does? Not rocket science I don't think.

What information would they need to call up you licence

BorneTobyWilde · 10-01-2019 04:26PM

I carried licence for few months and it cracked into 3 pieces. How is it suppose to survive in ones pocket. I don't use a wallet, I don't need to have something bulky in my pocket.

ohnonotgmail · 10-01-2019 04:27PM

martingriff wrote: »

What information would they need to call up you licence

name and date of birth should suffice for most people. There is nothing magical or particularly difficult (from a technical perspective) about this. The real issue at the moment is that they have only been storing photos digitally since the plastic cards were introduced so anybody still on the old licence would not have a photo available as a digital file. Once all the old licences have expired this problem goes away.

Tacitus Kilgore · 10-01-2019 04:28PM

Why do I even need a licence? I don't drive, I travel.

irelandrover · 10-01-2019 04:29PM

One of the big issues with the Gardai checking an online system linked to the NVDF would be foreign licenses. Far easier to just make it a law that everyone has to carry a license.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 04:37PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

name and date of birth should suffice for most people. There is nothing magical or particularly difficult (from a technical perspective) about this. The real issue at the moment is that they have only been storing photos digitally since the plastic cards were introduced so anybody still on the old licence would not have a photo available as a digital file. Once all the old licences have expired this problem goes away.

A system like that MUST SUFFICE for everyone

Captain Obvious · 10-01-2019 04:38PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

name and date of birth should suffice for most people. There is nothing magical or particularly difficult (from a technical perspective) about this. The real issue at the moment is that they have only been storing photos digitally since the plastic cards were introduced so anybody still on the old licence would not have a photo available as a digital file. Once all the old licences have expired this problem goes away.

Name and date of birth would not be sufficient. These are not unique

grogi · 10-01-2019 04:40PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Name and date of birth would not be sufficient. These are not unique

They are
a) easy to remember and easy to pass to the officer
b) provide enough uniqueness to allow identification.

PPS is unique - but nobody would remember that.

Tacitus Kilgore · 10-01-2019 04:41PM

grogi wrote: »

PPS is unique - but nobody would remember that.

You've obviously never been on the scratcher then :pac:

Captain Obvious · 10-01-2019 04:49PM

grogi wrote: »

They are
a) easy to remember and easy to pass to the officer
b) provide enough uniqueness to allow identification.

PPS is unique - but nobody would remember that.

Uniqueness is not a scale. Name and date of birth alone are not unique and using them as an identifier runs the risk of records of different persons being mixed up.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 04:52PM

grogi wrote: »

They are
a) easy to remember and easy to pass to the officer
b) provide enough uniqueness to allow identification.

PPS is unique - but nobody would remember that.

They are not unique. Unique means there is no one else with that combination. There may have 3 grogi born on the same name unlikely but can happen
Cant go checking all be a data breach

ohnonotgmail · 10-01-2019 04:53PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Name and date of birth would not be sufficient. These are not unique

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Uniqueness is not a scale. Name and date of birth alone are not unique and using them as an identifier runs the risk of records of different persons being mixed up.

On their own they are not 100% guaranteed to be unique. But they are sufficient for an initial search and will return a single result for the VAST majority of cases. If multiple results are returned for the name/dob combination then further criteria can be used. This is not a difficult or unique problem.

ohnonotgmail · 10-01-2019 04:54PM

martingriff wrote: »

They are not unique. Unique means there is no one else with that combination. There may have 3 grogi born on the same name unlikely but can happen
Cant go checking all be a data breach

There would not be a data breach as the garda would be doing the search as part of their duties.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 05:06PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I carried licence for few months and it cracked into 3 pieces. How is it suppose to survive in ones pocket. I don't use a wallet, I don't need to have something bulky in my pocket.

So where do you hold your cash or bank cards

grogi · 10-01-2019 05:06PM

martingriff wrote: »

So where do you hold your cash or bank cards

In a phone?!

martingriff · 10-01-2019 05:09PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

On their own they are not 100% guaranteed to be unique. But they are sufficient for an initial search and will return a single result for the VAST majority of cases. If multiple results are returned for the name/dob combination then further criteria can be used. This is not a difficult or unique problem.

Sorry but no just because it will work x% means it can be used. It has to work for everyone the same. Also as someone says what do we do for foreign licences

martingriff · 10-01-2019 05:09PM

grogi wrote: »

In a phone?!

Well there you go. New licence same size as bank card.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 05:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

There would not be a data breach as the garda would be doing the search as part of their duties.

No as they opened someone elses details not the person they were talking to

ohnonotgmail · 10-01-2019 05:15PM

martingriff wrote: »

No as they opened someone elses details not the person they were talking to

You really need to think of the implications of what you are saying.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 10-01-2019 05:36PM

....... wrote: »

I was stopped recently and asked to produce my licence to nearest Garda Station within 10 days.

I dont get it. What does it achieve? It made work for me having to go up there, find parking, go in and produce it. It made work for the guy in there, recording the details. And it made work for the guy who requested I produce it, checking that it was produced.

But to what end? 3 people have now done some work - for what? For the original guy to just cross out that i did it? Is that all it is - a box ticking exercise?

Surely the Gardai know if I have a valid licence or not from the computer system? And if they dont - why dont they? Why is millions being wasted annually on people traipsing up and showing their licence and 2 Guards wasting time on it?

Is it just make work?

If you haven't produced your licence before then no, they do not have details of it. The RSA/NDLS retain licence details, gardai don't have access to them unless they specifically request them from the NDLS. They give you 10 days so as to allow you sufficient time.

martingriff · 10-01-2019 05:39PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You really need to think of the implications of what you are saying.

In what way

grogi · 10-01-2019 06:06PM

martingriff wrote: »

Well there you go. New licence same size as bank card.

You completely misread my post. With NFC you can pay with your phone. In more advanced places there are schemes that allow to pay with the phone even without NFC...

But sure, you can always carry the checkbook.

grogi · 10-01-2019 06:08PM

martingriff wrote: »

Sorry but no just because it will work x% means it can be used. It has to work for everyone the same. Also as someone says what do we do for foreign licences

If it doesn't work in those 0.07% cases, the Gardai can always rollback to the paper ways and ask to produce actual paper/plastic licence ..

What is the point of producing your licence in 10 days?

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