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VW Neo (eGolf replacement)

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  • #552
    Silent Running
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    I will not purchase one until they are self charging.

    Toyota do that today... Don't they? :P


  • #553
    unkel
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    I will not purchase one until they are self charging.

    BMW had a wireless charging system for sale even going back two years, didn't they? Surely that's what we're all be doing in about 10 years time. Park the car somewhere in the vicinity of the charger and the car will do the rest. Pretty much self charging and no need to leave the old skool petrol engine running, like with Toyotas :D

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  • #554
    Silent Running
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    unkel wrote: »
    BMW had a wireless charging system for sale even going back two years, didn't they? Surely that's what we're all be doing in about 10 years time. Park the car somewhere in the vicinity of the charger and the car will do the rest. Pretty much self charging and no need to leave the old skool petrol engine running, like with Toyotas :D

    Yeah, it was a plate that had to be fitted where you park. The car had to be driven over it.

    IIRC there was some issue about having to have the car fairly precisely located over the plate for it to work. FFS BMW drivers can barely get it between the lines in a car park. :D


  • #555
    unkel
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    That's it. In my vision, the car will park itself very precisely over the induction plate, so the transfer losses will be minimal. Still probably a good 20-30% though. All available with todays technologies in todays cars (like summon or self parking that plenty of cars have already)

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  • #556
    irishgrover
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    samih wrote: »
    I feel like we are just about at the brink of general population realising that a BEV can do what their current car can do but more comfortably and more conveniently and with really low running costs. Then when you get your head around it you realise that 300 kilometer range does just fine if the alternative is to spend another 5k for extra 150 km that you might only need a few times a year.

    What the long trip on L40 made me realise in the summer was that actually your quality of life will probably be better if you stopped for a cuppa/10 quid charge instead of pushing on to your distant destination without a break. Or maybe I'm just getting old.

    exactly this - when I was researching prior to buying my car and was in full nerd mode I looked at the option of spending more to charge less and calculated the total amount of times I would in any given year need to fast charge. I then factored in the additional cost of getting a bigger battery car to reduce fast charge requirements etc

    For example
    New Ioniq = 28k
    New Kona = €40k
    Price difference 12K or say €3k per year of ownership.

    average fast charge per week in ioniq = 3 * 30 minutes
    average fast charge per week in Kona = 1 * 30 minutes

    Total time saved = (3-1) X 0.5hours X 50 weeks = 50 hours per year

    Extra cost of reduced charge frequency/time = €3000 per year

    Which worked out at an aprox cost of €60 per hour of charging avoided...

    I value myself, but not that much.... + I like to take a break on longer trips...


  • #557
    ted1
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    irishgrover wrote: »
    exactly this - when I was researching prior to buying my car and was in full nerd mode I looked at the option of spending more to charge less and calculated the total amount of times I would in any given year need to fast charge. I then factored in the additional cost of getting a bigger battery car to reduce fast charge requirements etc

    For example
    New Ioniq = 28k
    New Kona = €40k
    Price difference 12K or say €3k per year of ownership.

    average fast charge per week in ioniq = 3 * 30 minutes
    average fast charge per week in Kona = 1 * 30 minutes

    Total time saved = (3-1) X 0.5hours X 50 weeks = 50 hours per year

    Extra cost of reduced charge frequency/time = €3000 per year

    Which worked out at an aprox cost of €60 per hour of charging avoided...

    I value myself, but not that much.... + I like to take a break on longer trips...

    A larger battery will have better resale


  • #558
    Shefwedfan
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    ted1 wrote: »
    A larger battery will have better resale




    Will it? nobody really know.


    The L24 is holding its price just as good as the L30. The eGolf is hlding its price. The Ioniq is holding its price.

    Will the price fall off a cliff with the new model? probably not because the depreciation will just catch up to where it should be. At the moment the depreciation is lower than expected.



    Lets say you buy a VW 40kWh and then a VW 60kWh. I bet on both cars the dealer will quote the same depreciations, 4k per year. In fact when I went for the higher end cars, A6 etc, I was always told the depreciations was higher.



    In the future the lower battery car will probably have a bigger market as people will have to swap to electric and the people with a lower budget will be scrambling for the "cheaper" cars.


  • #559
    KCross
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Will it? nobody really know.


    The L24 is holding its price just as good as the L30. The eGolf is hlding its price. The Ioniq is holding its price.

    Will the price fall off a cliff with the new model? probably not because the depreciation will just catch up to where it should be. At the moment the depreciation is lower than expected.



    Lets say you buy a VW 40kWh and then a VW 60kWh. I bet on both cars the dealer will quote the same depreciations, 4k per year. In fact when I went for the higher end cars, A6 etc, I was always told the depreciations was higher.



    In the future the lower battery car will probably have a bigger market as people will have to swap to electric and the people with a lower budget will be scrambling for the "cheaper" cars.

    Well well! You've changed your tune! What happened to the multiple posts of "they will plummet like a stone when the bigger batteries come out"! :)

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  • #560
    Old diesel
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    The arrival of new EVs will have to cause an impact on resale of an older less capable one.

    Today a 2017 eGolf 35 kwh might be 28 k.

    If this Neo comes in at 28 k after grants - then an eGolf has to be at a worth while saving to put up with.....

    1) no active cooling.

    2) less range.

    3) slower charging speeds as the Neo can charge faster.

    4) slower performance on the Golf.

    5) a potentially nicer drive on the Neo - if this is to be VWs future direction they will want to take the driving features like handling on this VW EV that showcases the future to a new level.

    This isn't a dig at the eGolf but is the simple market reality to be expected when a new car makes the leap we expect from the Neo when compared to the eGolf that it effectively is a successor to.


  • #561
    Mike9832
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    Old diesel wrote: »
    The arrival of new EVs will have to cause an impact on resale of an older less capable one.

    Today a 2017 eGolf 35 kwh might be 28 k.

    If this Neo comes in at 28 k after grants - then an eGolf has to be at a worth while saving to put up with.....

    1) no active cooling.

    2) less range.

    3) slower charging speeds as the Neo can charge faster.

    4) slower performance on the Golf.

    5) a potentially nicer drive on the Neo - if this is to be VWs future direction they will want to take the driving features like handling on this VW EV that showcases the future to a new level.

    This isn't a dig at the eGolf but is the simple market reality to be expected when a new car makes the leap we expect from the Neo when compared to the eGolf that it effectively is a successor to.

    Which is why I still have a hard time believing VW will offer a 48kWh EV for 25k

    No else is

    Why would they?


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  • #562
    Shefwedfan
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    KCross wrote: »
    Well well! You've changed your tune! What happened to the multiple posts of "they will plummet like a stone when the bigger batteries come out"! :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105429316&postcount=28




    I can't remember exactly every post I ever made.



    This is different and I posted the example of buying a VW 40 v a VW 60.



    To explain better, one person buys a 2020 VW 40 and another buys a VW60. The 60 is 10k(example) more expensive. Both have same trim


    After 3 years and doing the exact same mileage will be higher battery be 10k more expensive still?? hard to know


  • #563
    Shefwedfan
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Which is why I still have a hard time believing VW will offer a 48kWh EV for 25k

    No else is

    Why would they?




    Do we have to ask the same question every 3-4 pages. Has to be about the 10th time that exact question has been asked....


    Nobody knows till pricing is released I think is answer from now on :P


  • #564
    Old diesel
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Which is why I still have a hard time believing VW will offer a 48kWh EV for 25k

    No else is

    Why would they?

    eGolf is i understand expensive because it's an ICE car converted* to an EV.

    A car designed as an EV like the Neo could be cheaper to make so I think it's fair to expect it to come in at a lower entry level price then eGolf.

    Theres 10 to 11 k to play with between your 25 k and today's eGolf price of just under 36 k.

    *converted isn't a great way to put it - the eGolf is build at the factory on day 1 to be an EV. I think it's better to say the original Golf Mk 7 design is to be an ICE car - and the design is then modified to be an EV.


  • #565
    irishgrover
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    ted1 wrote: »
    A larger battery will have better resale

    generally yes, but it depends on the car and it also depends on the rate of depreciation.
    At the moment I could probably sell my car for 90+% of what it cost me to buy.
    The savings I've made on fuel more than cover depreciation.
    It will be different in a few years time when there is better supply but at the moment it's a win win.


  • #566
    Mike9832
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    liamog wrote: »
    I will not be able to purchase an EV until I can do the Wild Atlantic Way and return during a winter storm without stopping.

    We are fine here but the Germans are not going to be a fan of EV's :rolleyes:

    Speed and EV's don't work well

    No EV can drive at speed with the heat on, in the cold ,with heated seats and get 450km, its more like 275km, and if its really cold its more like 200km

    If you drive 90km/h you will get what it says, but if you do 150km/h with a head wind in cold weather you can cut what it says you have left in half.

    The Germans used to cruising at 200km/h in Audi's will be shocked when a €70,000 Audi EV that should be able to do 400km can't even do 140km @ 200km/h


  • #567
    vidukasp
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    We are fine here but the Germans are not going to be a fan of EV's :rolleyes:

    Speed and EV's don't work well

    No EV can drive at speed with the heat on, in the cold ,with heated seats and get 450km, its more like 275km, and if its really cold its more like 200km

    If you drive 90km/h you will get what it says, but if you do 150km/h with a head wind in cold weather you can cut what it says you have left in half.

    The Germans used to cruising at 200km/h in Audi's will be shocked when a €70,000 Audi EV that should be able to do 400km can't even do 140km @ 200km/h
    The Germans used to cruising at 200km/h in Audi's will be shocked when a €70,000 Audi EV that should be able to do 400km can't even do 140km @ 200km/h
    Only 3 or 5 % of the Germans do the crazy speeds on the motorways. The other 95% is fine go to EV.


  • #568
    Shefwedfan
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    Mike9832 wrote: »

    The Germans used to cruising at 200km/h in Audi's will be shocked when a €70,000 Audi EV that should be able to do 400km can't even do 140km @ 200km/h


    How much diesel is the Audi cruising st 200km/h using?

    As VW say, their will still be a place for diesel in this new World. The difference is now diesel is for maybe 2-3% of drivers and electric should cover the rest. Or even PHEV....


  • #569
    McGiver
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    samih wrote:
    What the long trip on L40 made me realise in the summer was that actually your quality of life will probably be better if you stopped for a cuppa/10 quid charge instead of pushing on to your distant destination without a break. Or maybe I'm just getting old.

    Spot on. And I say this to everyone who asks or talks EV as part of my proselytising EV lecture - firstly it's safer too make breaks while driving and secondly "Are you in a hurry?"... We've become too much hurrying overall, no problem to slow down a bit, relax and enjoy your tea/coffee.


  • #570
    Mike9832
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How much diesel is the Audi cruising st 200km/h using?

    As VW say, their will still be a place for diesel in this new World. The difference is now diesel is for maybe 2-3% of drivers and electric should cover the rest. Or even PHEV....

    About 15l/100km

    500km range at that speed


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  • #571
    unkel
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    About 15l/100km

    I'd say it's a lot more than that. Even though the current A4 has a Cd of just 0.23, the best of all production cars, even a touch better than Tesla Model S and Hyundai Ioniq.

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  • #572
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    I'd say is less than 15l/100 km. I drove an old 2.0 petrol SAAB 9-5 tuned to 230 hp at sustained 160-190 with bursts of over 210 (basically as fast as you could drive in the lightish traffic) from Berlin towards the Black Forest many years ago and thetank consumption was almost unbelievably low 11.X l/100. A modern diesel probably doest something similar at 200 km/h. And in Ireland as a runaround the same car consumed high 9 on average.

    I was really surprised how economic the car was at speed. It's a typical example of ICE getting more and more efficient the higher the average output is and it's the same reason why donwnsizing of the engines with tall gearing is done. EVs unfortunately have the highest efficiency at low output due to battery losses at high current situation and that's why the German GTs will be ICE for many years to come. The BEVs won't be able to compete at high speed with the 700 kWh equivalent of 70 liters of diesel consumed by a ICE running with efficiency of 30+ percent at high loads. You'd need 200 kWh of battery for similar range.


  • #573
    unkel
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    samih wrote: »
    I'd say is less than 15l/100 km. I drove an old 2.0 petrol SAAB 9-5 tuned to 230 hp at sustained 160-190 with bursts of over 210

    That's indicated. The speedo over reads in the 9-5 (I know, I had one too)

    Sustained 200km/h GPS speed is not so good for fuel consumption :D

    But just maybe the A4 could get away with it because of its extraordinarily good aerodynamics

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  • #574
    Mike9832
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    samih wrote: »
    I'd say is less than 15l/100 km. I drove an old 2.0 petrol SAAB 9-5 tuned to 230 hp at sustained 160-190 with bursts of over 210 (basically as fast as you could drive in the lightish traffic) from Berlin towards the Black Forest many years ago and thetank consumption was almost unbelievably low 11.X l/100. A modern diesel probably doest something similar at 200 km/h. And in Ireland as a runaround the same car consumed high 9 on average.

    I was really surprised how economic the car was at speed. It's a typical example of ICE getting more and more efficient the higher the average output is and it's the same reason why donwnsizing of the engines with tall gearing is done. EVs unfortunately have the highest efficiency at low output due to battery losses at high current situation and that's why the German GTs will be ICE for many years to come. The BEVs won't be able to compete at high speed with the 700 kWh equivalent of 70 liters of diesel consumed by a ICE running with efficiency of 30+ percent at high loads. You'd need 200 kWh of battery for similar range.

    Exactly

    200kWh+ is needed to compete with a big diesel and 75l tank

    Even a Tesla 100kWh can barely get 150km @ 200km/h

    Old study and 06 535D doing 15l/100km when converted from us mpg at 200km/h

    A modern diesel would be even better, Alfa JTD could do 13l/100km @ 200km/h

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  • #575
    ELM327
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Exactly

    200kWh+ is needed to compete with a big diesel and 75l tank

    Even a Tesla 100kWh can barely get 150km @ 200km/h

    Old study and 06 535D doing 15l/100km when converted from us mpg at 200km/h

    A modern diesel would be even better, Alfa JTD could do 13l/100km @ 200km/h

    https://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/fuel_consumptio.html

    https://bioage.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/autobild3.png


    I had an e61 535d and they were very economical at speed, especially the facelifted version. If anything was going to get long range at speed it would be them or the likes of an A8/S Class/7 series diesel that is built for cruising on the Autobahn and have 80+litre tanks in most cases.


    But driving for 2 hours+ at 200km/h is not good for you, you won't be able to maintain the necessary concentration. I maxed out my e61 535d on the Autobahn at 155mph/250km/h and, while the car was perfectly fine and felt like there was a lot more to give, I couldnt cope with the tunnel vision and approaching traffic going much slower than myself for very long.


  • #576
    Shefwedfan
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Exactly

    200kWh+ is needed to compete with a big diesel and 75l tank

    Even a Tesla 100kWh can barely get 150km @ 200km/h

    Old study and 06 535D doing 15l/100km when converted from us mpg at 200km/h

    A modern diesel would be even better, Alfa JTD could do 13l/100km @ 200km/h

    https://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/fuel_consumptio.html

    https://bioage.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/autobild3.png




    Who cares what a car does at 200km/h?


    We don't live in Germany and if we did most of the Autobahn are now restricted to 130km/h.


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  • #577
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who cares what a car does at 200km/h?


    We don't live in Germany and if we did most of the Autobahn are now restricted to 130km/h.

    The point is that sustained truly high speed will be out of bounds for EVs for time being. But the same is also seen in Ireland due to the relatively great motorway network compared to say Norway. But must be one reason why the German makers until now have been more interested in hybrids.

    Me, going to continue on the LEAFspeed for next several years. Thankfully it's a small island so all good.


  • #578
    unkel
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    We don't live in Germany and if we did most of the Autobahn are now restricted to 130km/h.

    False. The majority of the Autobahn is still unrestricted.

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  • #579
    Shefwedfan
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    unkel wrote: »
    False. The majority of the Autobahn is still unrestricted.


    It was mentioned on Top Gear back in the day that they had reduced the amount of autobahn without a limit

    A 2008 estimate reported that 52% of the autobahn network had only the advisory speed limit, 15% had temporary speed limits due to weather or traffic conditions, and 33% had permanent speed limits

    So about 52% in 2008 was still working under advisory, no idea what it is now. Still fairly irrelevant to an Irish driver who will max out at 120km/h and have to slam on the brakes in the middle of motorway because for no reason it drops to 80km/h :P


  • #580
    unkel
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    When I was a child, the overwhelming majority was unrestricted, now it's less but still well over half.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Still fairly irrelevant to an Irish driver who will max out at 120km/h

    Is that right?

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  • #581
    Brera
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Irish drivers are the same. First it was "I will only buy when I can drive from Dublin to Cork"....once that came around then it was "I will only buy when I can drive from Dublin to Cork and back" or my favorite I seen "I will only buy when I can drive from Belfast to Cork"


    The same person has probably never been to Cork in his/her life and probably has a commute of 30 to work......


    Some people are leader and some people are sheep. Same in every country.



    Some people just buy XYZ because the Jones bought it and told them it was great, so they will buy. Some other people will research and buy the best product that will suit their requirements. The problem is the market in most countries are full of sheep.

    Most of the talk here about range is nonsense. As you said people on about doing ridiculously long journeys they have never done before and never will.

    If you asked them how many KMs a week they currently drive with their ICE they wouldn’t know.

    All of this talk of range will die out once the usual local clown down the pub starts telling them how much money he can save with his EV


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  • #582
    Mike9832
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    Back tracking begins

    https://insideevs.com/small-entry-level-evs-not-affordable/


  • #583
    ELM327
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Back tracking begins

    https://insideevs.com/small-entry-level-evs-not-affordable/
    The quote was “unaffordable for people on low incomes in the future”.



    Current new ICE VWs are unaffordable for people on low incomes too, now.


  • #584
    ELM327
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    Brera wrote: »
    All of this talk of range will die out once the usual local clown down the pub starts telling them how much money he can save with his EV
    I'm doing my best, got Clem's and a couple of other pubs in Meath and Wexford covered.


  • #585
    Mike9832
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    The quote was “unaffordable for people on low incomes in the future”.



    Current new ICE VWs are unaffordable for people on low incomes too, now.

    Anyone with a full time job can afford a new VW

    Brand new Polo costs 50e a week


  • #586
    ELM327
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Anyone with a full time job can afford a new VW

    Brand new Polo costs 50e a week


    With how much up front? With how much balloon payment? 10k km limit per year?


    You can structure it what way you like but an ICE polo lists at 17k for the base. Add the necessary "extras" and you're probably at 19k+


    Neo at 25k looks cheaper when you consider it's likely to be a step up in size from a polo.


  • #587
    Shefwedfan
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    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Anyone with a full time job can afford a new VW

    Brand new Polo costs 50e a week


    Well that is not 100% true is it now?

    Nothing in this article. VW says electric cars wont be as cheap as entry petrol car.....shock horror terror, he is telling the truth

    The Up starts at 12k. Unless they fill it with duracell batteries you won't get a electric version at that price. I think the goal was to have something just below 20k and that would be deemed a huge success......

    The Golf starts at 20k. The ID Neo will be starting at 25.....

    I done some quick maths, guess what. The electric version is more expensive

    I wonder would tey publish the same article if Nissan said the Leaf 2 was more expensive to the Pulsar? or ask Hyundai why they can sell a petrol Kona at 21k but the electric version is 38k??? now that would be a proper article


  • #588
    ELM327
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Well that is not 100% true is it now?

    Nothing in this article. VW says electric cars wont be as cheap as entry petrol car.....shock horror terror, he is telling the truth

    The Up starts at 12k. Unless they fill it with duracell batteries you won't get a electric version at that price. I think the goal was to have something just below 20k and that would be deemed a huge success......

    The Golf starts at 20k. The ID Neo will be starting at 25.....

    I done some quick maths, guess what. The electric version is more expensive

    I wonder would tey publish the same article if Nissan said the Leaf 2 was more expensive to the Pulsar? or ask Hyundai why they can sell a petrol Kona at 21k but the electric version is 38k??? now that would be a proper article


    Thierry just likes things to give out about IMO.

    Whenever I see some of posts I can but think of the following:


    old.jpg


  • #589
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Thierry just likes things to give out about IMO.

    Whenever I see some of posts I can but think of the following:



    You can imagine the s**t storm if VW turned around said the electric cars would be cheaper and then when launched they are more expensive:p


    At the moment, and I do say at the moment, anything VW has said about electric cars is on the button.....maybe they did learn from that little issue they had with the diesel engines


  • #590
    pdpmur
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭pdpmur


    I spotted an online article today with a photomontage that looks to be close to the camo'd prototypes that fullycharged previewed recently. The style looks reasonably clean and unfussy to me.

    I'm not permitted to post links, but a web search that includes the words "mas-sat", "blogspot", "com" and "neo" should hopefully direct anyone interested to it.

    125kW DC and 11kW AC charge rates, apparently.
    Only the Lower range model (330km, 0-100kph @ 8s) will be initially brought to the market, if the article is to be believed.


  • #591
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    pdpmur wrote: »
    I spotted an online article today with a photomontage that looks to be close to the camo'd prototypes that fullycharged previewed recently. The style looks reasonably clean and unfussy to me.

    I'm not permitted to post links, but a web search that includes the words "mas-sat", "blogspot", "com" and "neo" should hopefully direct anyone interested to it.

    125kW DC and 11kW AC charge rates, apparently.
    Only the Lower range model (330km, 0-100kph @ 8s) will be initially brought to the market, if the article is to be believed.

    Just type out the URL and insert a space in it.


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  • #592
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Silent Running wrote: »
    Just type out the URL and insert a space in it.


    If it is the website I found it is nothing new, just a blog looking for clicks.

    Also seems to have some sort of dody acceptance of cookies and then opens up a load of crap....


    Maybe it isn't, if it is don't accept the cookies :)


  • #593
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    The crozz is looking good, well good if you like the Tiguan

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-id-crozz-makes-spyshots-debut-as-tiguan-arctic-mule-132085.html


  • #594
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The crozz is looking good, well good if you like the Tiguan

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-id-crozz-makes-spyshots-debut-as-tiguan-arctic-mule-132085.html

    I believe thats just a test mule, not the actual Crozz body.


  • #595
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    KCross wrote: »
    I believe thats just a test mule, not the actual Crozz body.


    It is, but good to see them out doing any sort of testing for it.....


    It has been all about the Neo recently


  • #596
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-id-ev-spied-testing-near-the-arctic-circle-132232.html


  • #597
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Has anyone asked at a dealer if they have possible delivery dates? Maybe January 2020?

    I wonder when we'll be able to book one.


  • #598
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Silent Running wrote: »
    Has anyone asked at a dealer if they have possible delivery dates? Maybe January 2020?

    I wonder when we'll be able to book one.

    Not asked dealer yet because they did say you would be able to reserve one, when that is announced I will be checking with dealer

    It is noticeable how many VW dealers are now selling the eGolf, it’s gone from 2 last year to probably nearly 10 now


  • #599
    CFC007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭CFC007


    I wonder if VW will run this again next year. Would be a nice way to get an extra 3-4K off a new car.

    https://www.ecogrant.ie/contentv3/


  • #600
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It is noticeable how many VW dealers are not selling the eGolf, it’s gone from 2 last year to probably nearly 10 now

    That's a pity. What's the reason for this?


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  • #601
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    CFC007 wrote: »
    I wonder if VW will run this again next year. Would be a nice way to get an extra 3-4K off a new car.

    https://www.ecogrant.ie/contentv3/




    I found on facebook recently that VW Athlone(Michael Moore) was advertising this again.



    I think it was last week....I haven't really checked into it.....


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