Why does our national stadium hold only 50K?

Pauliedragon · 07-01-2019 12:37AM #1

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

07-01-2019 12:39AM

Croke Park holds over 82...oh wait.

DontThankMe · 07-01-2019 12:40AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

No more room/space to expand it.

bassy · 07-01-2019 12:40AM

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

Guy:Incognito · 07-01-2019 12:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Croke Park holds over 82...oh wait.

Maybe we should apply to host the GAA world cup final there.

Guy:Incognito · 07-01-2019 12:41AM

bassy wrote: »

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

I think the stuff you like is ****.

For Forks Sake · 07-01-2019 12:41AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

Because people who own very small houses at the Havelock Square end objected when it was being redeveloped and that's why that end had to be lower than the rest.

ted1 · 07-01-2019 12:42AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

All to do with cost, only a handful of matches will sell out. The rest of the time he stadium will be half full with no atmosphere and running a loss.

bassy · 07-01-2019 12:42AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I think the stuff you like is ****.

you must be one of the 50k that attend

Tell me how · 07-01-2019 12:47AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

Planning restrictions given that the surrounding area is heavily built up.

Personally, I would be happy if we were in a position to utilise both the Aviva and Croke Park appropriately for the 4 sports (hurling/football/soccer/rugby) depending on likely crowd demands. Yes, 80K demand for a 50K stadium is frustrating, but, 40K in an 80K stadium isn't great either. And there are more 40K demand games than 80k.

Wishful thinking though, I realise that.

Guy:Incognito · 07-01-2019 12:49AM

bassy wrote: »

you must be one of the 50k that attend

And you must be one of the (insert amount of attendees for the thing you like ). Party to watch Conor mcgregors babies christening or something?

I don't actually go to Ireland matches btw, no.

VeryTerry · 07-01-2019 12:49AM

Sure croker is only full a few times a year. The football team might fill the Aviva once or twice. Same for the rugby team. What's the point of it being bigger?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 07-01-2019 12:50AM

bassy wrote: »

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

Well tickets are selling (for the rugby) at 2000. So lots.

(You might be right on the football though).

bassy · 07-01-2019 12:51AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And you must be one of the (insert amount of attendees for the thing you like ). Party to watch Conor mcgregors babies christening or something?

I don't actually go to Ireland matches btw, no.

mcgregor your having a laugh,another irish ass that sucks in the same kind that goes to the aviva.

bassy · 07-01-2019 12:52AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Well tickets are selling (for the rugby) at 2000. So lots.

(You might be right on the football though).

yes it,s the football im talking about.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 07-01-2019 12:53AM

VeryTerry wrote: »

Sure croker is only full a few times a year. The football team might fill the Aviva once or twice. Same for the rugby team. What's the point of it being bigger?

Pretty sure the 6 nations would fill not just the Aviva but probably Croke park for all home 6 nations games and most autumn internationals.

Get Real · 07-01-2019 12:54AM

We were going to build a 75,000 seater national stadium in Abbotstown if you remember, around 2002.

But the public started to go against the idea and so the "Bertie Bowl" was scrapped and a revamp of Landsdowne Road chosen instead.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 07-01-2019 12:55AM

bassy wrote: »

yes it,s the football im talking about.

Ah. The op was talking about rugby.

If the Irish football team came good it would fill the aviva as well.

Collie D · 07-01-2019 12:57AM

Abbotstown would have been a poor choice. Nothing worse than a stadium miles outside of a city centre. Lansdowne is grand in both location and size.

Dj Stiggie · 07-01-2019 12:58AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

In fairness, the Welsh stadium is only used for rugby. Their football ground holds less than 30k. They could have sold out the Millennium Stadium when Ireland played Wales in the last World Cup qualifiers, but kept it in the small football stadium instead. So it's not a uniquely Irish situation for once.

Del2005 · 07-01-2019 01:00AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Planning restrictions given that the surrounding area is heavily built up.

Personally, I would be happy if we were in a position to utilise both the Aviva and Croke Park appropriately for the 4 sports (hurling/football/soccer/rugby) depending on likely crowd demands. Yes, 80K demand for a 50K stadium is frustrating, but, 40K in an 80K stadium isn't great either. And there are more 40K demand games than 80k.

Wishful thinking though, I realise that.

Would GAA fit in Lansdowne Road? I know that football and rugby are miles from the stands when played in Croke Park.

VeryTerry · 07-01-2019 01:01AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Pretty sure the 6 nations would fill not just the Aviva but probably Croke park for all home 6 nations games and most autumn internationals.

I don't think it does. Was the USA game a sell out? That's coming off the teams greatest ever year. I've been to plenty of games when the team aren't doing so well and the attendences have been very low. The successes of the current team won't last forever and demand will shrink back.

I've been to football matches and the place isn't even half full.

NIMAN · 07-01-2019 01:01AM

Cos most of the time we can't fill it.

If you were to build a stadium to accommodate everyone who wanted to see a certain match once off, you'd have to have a 120,000 stadium.

Del2005 · 07-01-2019 01:03AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

We don't have a national stadium. Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are owned by their respective organisations

JustJoe7240 · 07-01-2019 01:04AM

Del2005 wrote: »

Would GAA fit in Lansdowne Road? I know that football and rugby are miles from the stands when played in Croke Park.

Not even close, Min pitch length is 25m longer than the aviva and width is 10m longer.

keepalive213 · 07-01-2019 01:07AM

I worked on the redevelopment and remember hearing at the time that the size was limited because of the nearby residents, who were supposedly well compensated.
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there.
I have no idea how true any of that is.
I know I stripped the old pitch and worked on the earthworks. Biggest swamp ever, pure torture, between a canal and a river.

awec · 07-01-2019 01:09AM

keepalive213 wrote: »

I worked on the redevelopment and remember hearing at the time that the size was limited because of the nearby residents, who were supposedly well compensated.
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there.
I have no idea how true any of that is.
I know I stripped the old pitch and worked on the earthworks. Biggest swamp ever, pure torture, between a canal and a river.

The IRFU sold their newlands cross land recently.

Was bought in the 90s as a potential stadium location. Wouldn't have worked, current location is not worth giving up.

For a fully sized stand at the north end of the ground some residents would have had to be bought out, and others would have lost all sunshine in the back of their houses.

Guy:Incognito · 07-01-2019 01:11AM

keepalive213 wrote: »

I
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there. .

Don't think that land was ever a runner for a new stadium.

It the land behind the fire station btw. They sold it a couple of months ago.

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2019 01:12AM

Who is selling tickets for €2,000?

TCM · 07-01-2019 01:12AM

Pauliedragon wrote:

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

The national stadium has a capacity of 83000 plus.

VeryTerry · 07-01-2019 01:12AM

VeryTerry wrote: »

I don't think it does. Was the USA game a sell out? That's coming off the teams greatest ever year. I've been to plenty of games when the team aren't doing so well and the attendences have been very low. The successes of the current team won't last forever and demand will shrink back.

I've been to football matches and the place isn't even half full.

The Wikipedia actually has all the rugby attendences and all the test matches have sold out in the last 3 years. We'll see what happens when Schmidt goes I suppose.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviva_Stadium

Why does our national stadium hold only 50K?

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