Why does our national stadium hold only 50K?

Pauliedragon

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

Croke Park holds over 82...oh wait.

DontThankMe

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

No more room/space to expand it.

bassy

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

Guy:Incognito

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Croke Park holds over 82...oh wait.

Maybe we should apply to host the GAA world cup final there.

Guy:Incognito

bassy wrote: »

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

I think the stuff you like is ****.

For Forks Sake

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

Because people who own very small houses at the Havelock Square end objected when it was being redeveloped and that's why that end had to be lower than the rest.

ted1

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

All to do with cost, only a handful of matches will sell out. The rest of the time he stadium will be half full with no atmosphere and running a loss.

bassy

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I think the stuff you like is ****.

you must be one of the 50k that attend

Tell me how

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

Planning restrictions given that the surrounding area is heavily built up.


Personally, I would be happy if we were in a position to utilise both the Aviva and Croke Park appropriately for the 4 sports (hurling/football/soccer/rugby) depending on likely crowd demands. Yes, 80K demand for a 50K stadium is frustrating, but, 40K in an 80K stadium isn't great either. And there are more 40K demand games than 80k.

Wishful thinking though, I realise that.

Guy:Incognito

bassy wrote: »

you must be one of the 50k that attend

And you must be one of the (insert amount of attendees for the thing you like ). Party to watch Conor mcgregors babies christening or something?



I don't actually go to Ireland matches btw, no.

VeryTerry

Sure croker is only full a few times a year. The football team might fill the Aviva once or twice. Same for the rugby team. What's the point of it being bigger?

Franz Von Peppercorn

bassy wrote: »

who wants to watch tripe,i think 50k is enough fools to watch such tripe there.

Well tickets are selling (for the rugby) at 2000. So lots.

(You might be right on the football though).

bassy

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And you must be one of the (insert amount of attendees for the thing you like ). Party to watch Conor mcgregors babies christening or something?



I don't actually go to Ireland matches btw, no.

mcgregor your having a laugh,another irish ass that sucks in the same kind that goes to the aviva.

bassy

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Well tickets are selling (for the rugby) at 2000. So lots.

(You might be right on the football though).

yes it,s the football im talking about.

Franz Von Peppercorn

VeryTerry wrote: »

Sure croker is only full a few times a year. The football team might fill the Aviva once or twice. Same for the rugby team. What's the point of it being bigger?

Pretty sure the 6 nations would fill not just the Aviva but probably Croke park for all home 6 nations games and most autumn internationals.

Get Real

We were going to build a 75,000 seater national stadium in Abbotstown if you remember, around 2002.

But the public started to go against the idea and so the "Bertie Bowl" was scrapped and a revamp of Landsdowne Road chosen instead.

Franz Von Peppercorn

bassy wrote: »

yes it,s the football im talking about.

Ah. The op was talking about rugby.

If the Irish football team came good it would fill the aviva as well.

Collie D

Abbotstown would have been a poor choice. Nothing worse than a stadium miles outside of a city centre. Lansdowne is grand in both location and size.

Dj Stiggie

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

In fairness, the Welsh stadium is only used for rugby. Their football ground holds less than 30k. They could have sold out the Millennium Stadium when Ireland played Wales in the last World Cup qualifiers, but kept it in the small football stadium instead. So it's not a uniquely Irish situation for once.

Del2005

Tell me how wrote: »

Planning restrictions given that the surrounding area is heavily built up.


Personally, I would be happy if we were in a position to utilise both the Aviva and Croke Park appropriately for the 4 sports (hurling/football/soccer/rugby) depending on likely crowd demands. Yes, 80K demand for a 50K stadium is frustrating, but, 40K in an 80K stadium isn't great either. And there are more 40K demand games than 80k.

Wishful thinking though, I realise that.

Would GAA fit in Lansdowne Road? I know that football and rugby are miles from the stands when played in Croke Park.

VeryTerry

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Pretty sure the 6 nations would fill not just the Aviva but probably Croke park for all home 6 nations games and most autumn internationals.

I don't think it does. Was the USA game a sell out? That's coming off the teams greatest ever year. I've been to plenty of games when the team aren't doing so well and the attendences have been very low. The successes of the current team won't last forever and demand will shrink back.

I've been to football matches and the place isn't even half full.

NIMAN

Cos most of the time we can't fill it.

If you were to build a stadium to accommodate everyone who wanted to see a certain match once off, you'd have to have a 120,000 stadium.

Del2005

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

We don't have a national stadium. Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are owned by their respective organisations

JustJoe7240

Del2005 wrote: »

Would GAA fit in Lansdowne Road? I know that football and rugby are miles from the stands when played in Croke Park.

Not even close, Min pitch length is 25m longer than the aviva and width is 10m longer.

keepalive213

I worked on the redevelopment and remember hearing at the time that the size was limited because of the nearby residents, who were supposedly well compensated.
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there.
I have no idea how true any of that is.
I know I stripped the old pitch and worked on the earthworks. Biggest swamp ever, pure torture, between a canal and a river.

awec

keepalive213 wrote: »

I worked on the redevelopment and remember hearing at the time that the size was limited because of the nearby residents, who were supposedly well compensated.
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there.
I have no idea how true any of that is.
I know I stripped the old pitch and worked on the earthworks. Biggest swamp ever, pure torture, between a canal and a river.

The IRFU sold their newlands cross land recently.

Was bought in the 90s as a potential stadium location. Wouldn't have worked, current location is not worth giving up.

For a fully sized stand at the north end of the ground some residents would have had to be bought out, and others would have lost all sunshine in the back of their houses.

Guy:Incognito

keepalive213 wrote: »

I
I also remember hearing they (IRFU or whoever) owned land out near newlands cross and should have built it out there. .

Don't think that land was ever a runner for a new stadium.

It the land behind the fire station btw. They sold it a couple of months ago.

dxhound2005

Who is selling tickets for €2,000?

TCM

Pauliedragon wrote:

Is there a reason the Aviva stadium only holds 50000 people? I read today tickets for the England rugby match are selling for 2000 euros. Why doesn't the Aviva hold 80K? Wales have a 75K stadium with a similar population. I'm not trying to be smart it's a genuine question.

The national stadium has a capacity of 83000 plus.

VeryTerry

VeryTerry wrote: »

I don't think it does. Was the USA game a sell out? That's coming off the teams greatest ever year. I've been to plenty of games when the team aren't doing so well and the attendences have been very low. The successes of the current team won't last forever and demand will shrink back.

I've been to football matches and the place isn't even half full.

The Wikipedia actually has all the rugby attendences and all the test matches have sold out in the last 3 years. We'll see what happens when Schmidt goes I suppose.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviva_Stadium

prinzeugen

VeryTerry wrote: »

I don't think it does. Was the USA game a sell out? That's coming off the teams greatest ever year. I've been to plenty of games when the team aren't doing so well and the attendences have been very low. The successes of the current team won't last forever and demand will shrink back.

I've been to football matches and the place isn't even half full.

The USA game was not far off a sell out. The reason tickets are going for €2000 for the England game is because there are idiots willing to pay that for them.

England/NZ games attract the sort of people that only buy tickets as a status symbol.
They have no interest in rugby (but pretend they do) and only go to socialise. The

Some of the ones I have seen over the years almost seem to enjoy paying stupid amounts as its another way of them showing off their "wealth"!

Richard Hillman

Abbotstown would have been a nightmare. There isn't a train station close, no LUAS and only Dublin Bus to rely on. People from Clondalkin, Palmerstown, Tallaght etc would have had to go through the city center if they wanted to use public transport, which would have led to the M50 being carnage on match days because people would have just driven.

I do think they made a mistake with rebuilding Lansdowne Road though. They should have went for a larger stadium in Irishtown.

TCM

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Maybe we should apply to host the GAA world cup final there.

Na, its better watching the "Rugby World Cup" made up of essentially 9 teams and some other non identities to make up the numbers. LOL.

keepalive213

I also heard at the time of some of the old soil being sold to an Irish sports chain to sell in the shops in keyrings etc.. but again I have no idea if that's true.
As far as I know the old soil went back into the new pitch anyway.

Church on Tuesday

Have to say I think the Aviva is a gorgeous stadium.

I'm sure in the future there will be some way to build onto the three main stands if demand is there.

Collie D

prinzeugen wrote: »

The USA game was not far off a sell out. The reason tickets are going for €2000 for the England game is because there are idiots willing to pay that for them.

England/NZ games attract the sort of people that only buy tickets as a status symbol.
They have no interest in rugby (but pretend they do) and only go to socialise. The

Some of the ones I have seen over the years almost seem to enjoy paying stupid amounts as its another way of them showing off their "wealth"!

I’d speculate that a lot of them are corporate client gigs and get expensed rather than coming out of an individual pocket.

And I’d speculate further that it’s not slightly dodgy lads outside stadiums selling them either but established clubs around the country cashing in.

VeryTerry

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They should have went for a larger stadium in Irishtown.

Was that ever on the cards? I'm assuming it was on the Glass Bottle site if it was?

prinzeugen

VeryTerry wrote: »

The Wikipedia actually has all the rugby attendences and all the test matches have sold out in the last 3 years. We'll see what happens when Schmidt goes I suppose.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviva_Stadium

I would take those figures with a pinch of salt. They look more like numbers of tickets sold/available rather than actual attendance.

awec

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Have to say I think the Aviva is a gorgeous stadium.

I'm sure in the future there will be some way to build onto the three main stands if demand is there.

It looks lovely, but has functional issues IMO and some poor design choices.

The biggest one being the lower tier is far too shallow. Needed to be much steeper to provide a better view.

diusmr8a504cvk

ted1 wrote: »

All to do with cost, only a handful of matches will sell out. The rest of the time he stadium will be half full with no atmosphere and running a loss.

That's just plain wrong.

Patser

Del2005 wrote: »

We don't have a national stadium. Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are owned by their respective organisations

What about the Tallaght stadium, council owned, open to all types of sports - Soccer , rugby league and union, American football all played competitively there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallaght_Stadium

diusmr8a504cvk

TCM wrote: »

Na, its better watching the "Rugby World Cup" made up of essentially 9 teams and some other non identities to make up the numbers. LOL.

As opposed to the All-Ireland where everyone has a chance of winning it

prinzeugen

Collie D wrote: »

I’d speculate that a lot of them are corporate client gigs and get expensed rather than coming out of an individual pocket.

And I’d speculate further that it’s not slightly dodgy lads outside stadiums selling them either but established clubs around the country cashing in.

These are individuals. They go nuts when they find out they are not in the premium level but up in the rafters!.

As far as I am aware, procedures were put in place a few years ago to stop clubs cashing in. I have a vague recollection of a clubs entire allocation being cancelled a few days before a match because some of them appeared on a well known site for 4 x face value.

Collie D

Luca Weak Lockjaw wrote: »

As opposed to the All-Ireland where everyone has a chance of winning it

But in Gaelic football, despite the gulf in clsss between Dublin and Leitrim (for example, no offence) there’ll still be a massive interest and a healthy club scene in Leitrim despite them having little chance of winning.

His point was not just about the competitiveness of the game as most sports will have an elite. It’s about actual interest and participation, of which there is very little outside of a handful of countries with rugby.

The Satanist

We should build a 500,000 seater mega stadium just in case there's a massive bandwagon that needs looking at. Name it the Leo Multicultural Soup Bowl.

Collie D

prinzeugen wrote: »

These are individuals. They go nuts when they find out they are not in the premium level but up in the rafters!.

As far as I am aware, procedures were put in place a few years ago to stop clubs cashing in. I have a vague recollection of a clubs entire allocation being cancelled a few days before a match because some of them appeared on a well known site for 4 x face value.

Crazy amount of money to spend on a game. I wouldn’t do it even if I had it but I have a bee in my bonnet in general about ticket touting.

Good to hear clubs are being cracked down on. I know the GAA watch these sites but thought it was still common practice and more or less ignored in rugby circles. I know of one person whose first game was the win against the All Blacks with a ticket sourced through a club but he says he paid face value. Not sure I believe him as he lives almost two hours drive from said club and I’m not even sure he’s been in that town, let alone have a connection to the rugby club.

Tefral

I worked on that job as a Quantity Surveyor. A little known fact is that there could have been close to 5k more seats but the average rugby fan is bigger than the average soccer fan so the seats are 50mm wider to accommodate them.

The whole reason it's that size is due to the objectors at the smaller end. Irish rail actually own the air above the tracks also so there was loads of issues with that and planning too.

prinzeugen

Collie D wrote: »

Good to hear clubs are being cracked down on. I know the GAA watch these sites but thought it was still common practice and more or less ignored in rugby circles. I know of one person whose first game was the win against the All Blacks with a ticket sourced through a club but he says he paid face value. Not sure I believe him as he lives almost two hours drive from said club and I’m not even sure he’s been in that town, let alone have a connection to the rugby club.

I think they must only crack down on club tickets that appear for sale online. There is little they can do about tickets got through a friend of a friends uncle.

The number of people getting scammed seems to be dropping also thankfully.

dxhound2005

Tefral wrote: »

I worked on that job as a Quantity Surveyor. A little known fact is that there could have been close to 5k more seats but the average rugby fan is bigger than the average soccer fan so the seats are 50mm wider to accommodate them.

The whole reason it's that size is due to the objectors at the smaller end. Irish rail actually own the air above the tracks also so there was loads of issues with that and planning too.

If it is done on averages a lot of the seats will be too small ?

prinzeugen

Tefral wrote: »

I worked on that job as a Quantity Surveyor. A little known fact is that there could have been close to 5k more seats but the average rugby fan is bigger than the average soccer fan so the seats are 50mm wider to accommodate them.

The whole reason it's that size is due to the objectors at the smaller end. Irish rail actually own the air above the tracks also so there was loads of issues with that and planning too.

They are all about the same size IMO. Would the 95th percentile not be used? I did that stuff in school designing seats but can't remember the exact ins and outs of it.

Seats/chairs are usually sized to fit 95% of the average male population. Or something like that.

The "air" above the railway lines must have changed hands since as its now classed as stadium property.