Explosion in Murder Rate in Ireland

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:14PM #1

Just came across these statistics relating to murders in Ireland.

1951 7
1956 7
1961 13
1966 12
1971 14
1976 22
1981 35
1986 19
1991 31
1992 42
1993 28
1994 32
1995 53
1996 46
1997 53
1998 51
1999 46
2000 56
2001 58
2002 59
2003 51
2004 45
2005 65
2006 67
2007 84

The population has grown somewhat, granted, but this can only explain a small rise in the murder rate.

What's gone wrong?

endacl · 06-01-2019 11:16PM

Video games and gangster rap.

everlast75 · 06-01-2019 11:16PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Just came across these statistics relating to murders in Ireland.

1951 7
1956 7
1961 13
1966 12
1971 14
1976 22
1981 35
1986 19
1991 31
1992 42
1993 28
1994 32
1995 53
1996 46
1997 53
1998 51
1999 46
2000 56
2001 58
2002 59
2003 51
2004 45
2005 65
2006 67
2007 84

The population has grown somewhat, granted, but this can only explain a small rise in the murder rate.

What's gone wrong?

More people chewing with their mouth open?

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:17PM

everlast75 wrote: »

More people chewing with their mouth open?

You must crack the lads up with that top class banter.

Insect Overlord · 06-01-2019 11:17PM

Cover-ups and under-reporting in earlier years?

whiskeyman · 06-01-2019 11:18PM

Even the poor bloke who compiled the stats was murdered in 2008 it seems...

Mantis Toboggan · 06-01-2019 11:18PM

Link?

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:18PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Cover-ups and under-reporting in earlier years?

Probably to some extent but it doesn't explain how 7 could become 84.

cdeb · 06-01-2019 11:18PM

Drugs

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-01-2019 11:19PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Cover-ups and under-reporting in earlier years?

It’s pretty hard to cover up a murder.

DontThankMe · 06-01-2019 11:19PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Just came across these statistics relating to murders in Ireland.

1951 7
1956 7
1961 13
1966 12
1971 14
1976 22
1981 35
1986 19
1991 31
1992 42
1993 28
1994 32
1995 53
1996 46
1997 53
1998 51
1999 46
2000 56
2001 58
2002 59
2003 51
2004 45
2005 65
2006 67
2007 84

The population has grown somewhat, granted, but this can only explain a small rise in the murder rate.

What's gone wrong?

What about the last ten years? It's more recent data so would give us a better picture of the current trend. I'm gonna say that the growth in gangland violence and gang wars has led to the increase in the number of murders in Ireland.

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:20PM

DontThankMe wrote: »

What about the last ten years? It's more recent data so would give us a better picture of the current trend. I'm gonna say that the growth in gangland violence and gang wars has led to the increase in the number of murders in Ireland.

2016 - 91 murders
2017 - 71 murders

Alf Veedersane · 06-01-2019 11:21PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Probably to some extent but it doesn't explain how 7 could become 84.

Multiply it by 12.

Insect Overlord · 06-01-2019 11:22PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s pretty hard to cover up a murder.

It is these days, but forensic analysis wouldn't have been around to the same degree. Things could be made to look like accidents, or people made to disappear.

DontThankMe · 06-01-2019 11:23PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

2016 - 91 murders
2017 - 71 murders

So is the thread title still accurate? Maybe it should read explosion in the murder rate in Ireland from 1951 to 2007?

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:23PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It is these days, but forensic analysis wouldn't have been around to the same degree. Things could be made to look like accidents, or people made to disappear.

I take your point and I have no doubt that people got away with murder but there has still been a large increase in crime, it would be foolish to think otherwise.

06-01-2019 11:23PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s pretty hard to cover up a murder.

Is it not the case that plenty of people emigrated never to return in the earlier half of the last century? How easy could it be to say someone had run away or caught the boat? Obviously this would be within families though, so who knows how many or few that could account for.

I think it was probably much easier to cover up a murder than it is now.

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:25PM

DontThankMe wrote: »

So is the thread title still accurate? Maybe it should read explosion in the murder rate in Ireland from 1951 to 2007?

There were 7 murders in 1951 and 91 in 2017. That is an explosion in murder rates.

WoollyRedHat · 06-01-2019 11:26PM

I don't believe there was only 7 murders in 1951.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-01-2019 11:26PM

2016 38
2015 30
2014 52

Hardly an explosion. But stopping the table in 2007 lends itself to more outrage.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-01-2019 11:27PM

Where did you get those figures, as they're much higher than the ones I have?

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

2016 - 91 murders
2017 - 71 murders

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:28PM

Morgan Thousands Gnu wrote: »

2016 38
2015 30
2014 52

Hardly an explosion. But stopping the table in 2007 lends itself to more outrage.

That is incorrect. 91 homicides in 2016, 71 in 2017

VW 1 · 06-01-2019 11:28PM

Does it include those who died in the care/at the hands of the various Catholic institutions around the country? I would imagine the numbers don't reflect full disclosure of those deaths.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-01-2019 11:28PM

Morgan Thousands Gnu wrote: »

Where did you get those figures, as they're much higher than the ones I have?

I saw the same as him when I googled. From here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/crime-rate-increases-significantly-over-past-year-1.3443096?mode=amp

Dr_serious2 · 06-01-2019 11:29PM

Morgan Thousands Gnu wrote: »

Where did you get those figures, as they're much higher than the ones I have?

Irish Times, 28 March 2018

stampydmonkey · 06-01-2019 11:29PM

Put on the last 10years if you have it.

El_Bee · 06-01-2019 11:31PM

Guns are more and more readily available to criminals.

quokula · 06-01-2019 11:33PM

A lot of children born into poverty in the 50s got taken into homes and ended up buried in mass graves, rather than some of them potentially getting into drugs and a life of crime.

dxhound2005 · 06-01-2019 11:34PM

Death caused by dangerous driving is included now. If they were put in back in the old days, it would have been in the hundreds.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rc/recordedcrimeq42017/homicidestatisticsrevisions/

namloc1980 · 06-01-2019 11:34PM

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

That is incorrect. 91 homicides in 2016, 71 in 2017

So is that an implosion in murder rates....went down 22% after all.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-01-2019 11:36PM

Thanks, I had a report like this and the chart doesn't match the text. https://www.thejournal.ie/murder-ireland-2016-increase-3314227-Mar2017/

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

That is incorrect. 91 homicides in 2016, 71 in 2017

Explosion in Murder Rate in Ireland

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