"Man-made" Climate Change Lunathicks Out in Full Force

Akrasia · 05-01-2019 12:30AM

dense wrote: »

Once more:

The 30 year period was chosen "to define “normal” or average temperature"

-direct quote. For no particular reason except they were constrained by a lack of data to determine what a normal temperature period is, along with it being the "most recent" 30 years period.

If the temperatures for that period define "normal", which is what is being claimed, previous lower temperature periods such as the pre industrial peeiod cannot simultaneously be defined as normal.

"In a warming world", choosing a 30 year baseline for the above reasons and implying normality from it on the basis of easy recall and having no data from other periods serves no purpose.

Here's a tip, stop bolding individual words and quoting fragments and read what they are actually saying.

I like to think I'm ok at explaining things but I'm no rocket scientist at it.. unlike NASA

If you want to understand their choice of baseline, read their explanation of it. Properly. And try to understand it, not from the perspective of 'they must be hiding something' but rather that they are explaining it to me in a simple easy to understand way

dense · 05-01-2019 11:53AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Here's a tip, stop bolding individual words and quoting fragments and read what they are actually saying.

I like to think I'm ok at explaining things but I'm no rocket scientist at it.. unlike NASA

If you want to understand their choice of baseline, read their explanation of it. Properly. And try to understand it, not from the perspective of 'they must be hiding something' but rather that they are explaining it to me in a simple easy to understand way

Don't go down the road of trying to patronise me, anyone can read and understand their explanation, it's not exactly rocket science, in fact it has nothing to do with science.

It gives two arbitrary reasons for choosing that baseline period, one, that it is easy for people to recall, which is quite clearly a stupid reason given that anyone born after 1975 are unlikely to have any recall of it, and two, that it immediately precedes the start of their GISSTEMP program......

And bang, there you have a baseline, which hereafter defines a normal or average temperature period.

Science in action eh? Great stuff altogether.

This is why I have to bold certain words, and always ask you to include links, rather than sharing your random interpretations on topics covered here, which whilst often entertaining, are not always based on reality.

The period of 1951-1980 was chosen largely because the U.S. National Weather Service uses a three-decade period to define “normal” or average temperature.

The GISS temperature analysis effort began around 1980, so the most recent 30 years was 1951-1980.

It is also a period when many of today’s adults grew up, so it is a common reference that many people can remember.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/decadaltemp.php

It exposes the self serving nonsense behind climate science because you might as well apply the same exact reasons to choosing the last 30 years as a baseline for "a normal temperature period" for climate scientists to splash about in the adult paddle pool of temperature anomalies derived from statistical noise.

Akrasia · 05-01-2019 01:25PM

dense wrote: »

Don't go down the road of trying to patronise me, anyone can read and understand their explanation

Anyone except you it seems.

You can read it but not understand it. Which is odd because they simplified it for the general audience.

dense · 05-01-2019 02:13PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Anyone except you it seems.

You can read it but not understand it. Which is odd because they simplified it for the general audience.

This is very basic English.
How can their stated reasons be causing you such turmoil?

The period of 1951-1980 was chosen largely because the U.S. National Weather Service uses a three-decade period to define “normal” or average temperature.

The GISS temperature analysis effort began around 1980, so the most recent 30 years was 1951-1980. It is also a period when many of today’s adults grew up, so it is a common reference that many people can remember.

What are you saying their reasons are?? No, don't bother you'll go off on some flight of fancy about the scientific community.

Please read their reasons and stop fantasising about them being something special.

The period was chosen for convenience, along with some stupid notion about it being a period "that many people can remember" as a justification.

That's your NASA baseline right there Akrasia.

Anomalies that now serve to frighten the life out of you are derived from it.

The whole thing really is a hoax.
You'll thank me later when you realise it.

Akrasia · 05-01-2019 09:44PM

The heat must be getting to you Dense. You're having some kind of breakdown

dense · 06-01-2019 01:36AM

Akrasia wrote: »

The heat must be getting to you Dense. You're having some kind of breakdown

Stick with it Akrasia, such statements are completely normal in deprogramming.
You have simply fallen into a cult, which is affecting you detrimentally, and I am here to help. Many, many smart and clever people fall into them, you're not the first and you won't be the last, it happens, but there is a way out, if you want it.

Rationalise "the baseline" that I have explained to you that causes you such alarm and angst. Contextualise it. Analyse it. If you have questions, just ask me.

We'll talk later??

Dr Brown · 06-01-2019 02:57AM

If the climate change brigade are serious about cutting down carbon emissions then one first things we should do is to stop mass Immigration into Ireland.

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 10:00AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

If the climate change brigade are serious about cutting down carbon emissions then one first things we should do is to stop mass Immigration into Ireland.

Take your off topic racism off somewhere else please

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 10:06AM

dense wrote: »

Stick with it Akrasia, such statements are completely normal in deprogramming.
You have simply fallen into a cult, which is affecting you detrimentally, and I am here to help. Many, many smart and clever people fall into them, you're not the first and you won't be the last, it happens, but there is a way out, if you want it.

Rationalise "the baseline" that I have explained to you that causes you such alarm and angst. Contextualise it. Analyse it. If you have questions, just ask me.

We'll talk later??

Ok, which is more likely to be in a cult.

A)
Someone who repeatedly demands others to 'explain' individual words because that person thinks NASA are part of a grand global conspiracy to fake global temperature increases as a part of a new world order plot to cause unprecedented socialist domination.

Someone who reads a basic explanation of something, understands it and moves on.

06-01-2019 11:43AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

If the climate change brigade are serious about cutting down carbon emissions then one first things we should do is to stop mass Immigration into Ireland.

Akrasia wrote: »

Take your off topic racism off somewhere else please

It's a valid point, the more people, the more CO2 produced, it's as simple as that!

Population control is a key part of reducing the affects of human activity on the planet, the second one being reducing economic activity.

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 01:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a valid point, the more people, the more CO2 produced, it's as simple as that!

Population control is a key part of reducing the affects of human activity on the planet, the second one being reducing economic activity.

Immigration doesn't change the number of people, it just moves them around. If you don't like immigration you should be very concerned about climate change. Where will those hundreds of millions of people go when their water supply has dried up or their homeland is uninhabitable due to persistent heatwave, or people flee famine or conflict driven by resource shortages or sea level rises flood their cities and farms....

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 02:32PM

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/19/climate-change-soon-to-cause-mass-movement-world-bank-warns

06-01-2019 03:38PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Immigration doesn't change the number of people, it just moves them around. If you don't like immigration you should be very concerned about climate change. Where will those hundreds of millions of people go when their water supply has dried up or their homeland is uninhabitable due to persistent heatwave, or people flee famine or conflict driven by resource shortages or sea level rises flood their cities and farms....

These are problems for the countries that allow go excessive human breeding, by allowing these people to migrate out, they're just exporting the problem elsewhere.

They should be enforcing birth controls in countries where there are environmental stresses caused by overpopulation.

Blaming CO2 in the west, is simply a diversionary tactic. Stop the population explosion at source and many of these famines would simply not happen.

dense · 06-01-2019 05:54PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, which is more likely to be in a cult.

A)
Someone who repeatedly demands others to 'explain' individual words because that person thinks NASA are part of a grand global conspiracy to fake global temperature increases as a part of a new world order plot to cause unprecedented socialist domination.

Someone who reads a basic explanation of something, understands it and moves on.

The doomsday cult does irony. It gets better.

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 06:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

These are problems for the countries that allow go excessive human breeding, by allowing these people to migrate out, they're just exporting the problem elsewhere.

They should be enforcing birth controls in countries where there are environmental stresses caused by overpopulation.

Blaming CO2 in the west, is simply a diversionary tactic. Stop the population explosion at source and many of these famines would simply not happen.

How would you Implement forced birth control?

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 06:27PM

dense wrote: »

The doomsday cult does irony. It gets better.

So all the respected scientific organisations on the planet are in a doomsday cult.

And little old dense is the only one who knows the truth.

06-01-2019 07:17PM

Akrasia wrote: »

How would you Implement forced birth control?

Sterilisation after baby number two.

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 07:41PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sterilisation after baby number two.

Both males and females?

06-01-2019 07:46PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Both males and females?

Females for sure, males if untrustworthy....

06-01-2019 07:49PM

Anyway, Here's another example of wasteful consumption that people really should be focusing on to reduce waste and environmental impact.

Link to original article.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmd9a5/tim-cook-to-investors-people-bought-fewer-new-iphones-because-they-repaired-their-old-ones

Akrasia · 06-01-2019 08:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Females for sure, males if untrustworthy....

What? How do you decide who is trustworthy??

To steriilize a female is a surgery often under general anesthetic with risks of long term side effects. For men it's a 20 minute operation under local anesthetic also with risks of long term side effects. What is the penalty for refusing to have this medical procedure performed?

Jail? Fine?

There are very very limited circumstances in which a civilised society would force it's citizens to have a surgery against their will.

I think there are better ways to reduce overpopulation, mostly relating to improving female reproductive rights, female education, equal access to services and the workplace and provision for childcare to allow mothers of young children to work and have independent lives outside their traditional roles as mothers and homemakers. As well as provisions for retirement to stop families having children as a way of providing for elderly parents who can't work anymore... basically all the sh1t we take for granted here in Ireland.

If go there first before dragging young women and 'untrustworthy men into clinics to be forcibly sterilised

06-01-2019 08:13PM

Akrasia wrote: »

What? How do you decide who is trustworthy??

To steriilize a female is a surgery often under general anesthetic with risks of long term side effects. For men it's a 20 minute operation under local anesthetic also with risks of long term side effects. What is the penalty for refusing to have this medical procedure performed?

Jail? Fine?

There are very very limited circumstances in which a civilised society would force it's citizens to have a surgery against their will.

I think there are better ways to reduce overpopulation, mostly relating to improving female reproductive rights, female education, equal access to services and the workplace and provision for childcare to allow mothers of young children to work and have independent lives outside their traditional roles as mothers and homemakers. As well as provisions for retirement to stop families having children as a way of providing for elderly parents who can't work anymore... basically all the sh1t we take for granted here in Ireland.

If go there first before dragging young women and 'untrustworthy men into clinics to be forcibly sterilised

OK so what is your solution, what you are suggesting will have little impact due to the culture in those countries.

Akrasia · 07-01-2019 08:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

OK so what is your solution, what you are suggesting will have little impact due to the culture in those countries.

The world's expert demographers project that population will level out on it's own. Programmes like the UNDP are working to speed up the demographic transition through development programmes.

In terms of climate change, we should ensure that this development skips the carbon intensive development cycle and goes straight to next generation energy and production systems.

It will take investment and planning but is infinitely preferable to totalitarian forced sterilisation programmes. Ireland went from a Catholic theocracy to a liberal secular democracy in only one generation because of development assistance and investment.

Dr Brown · 09-01-2019 02:24PM

SNIP. Don't drag the thread off topic please.

09-01-2019 06:08PM

A step in the right direction.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46797396

Climate change: 'Right to repair' gathers force

It is frustrating: you buy a new appliance then just after the warranty runs out, it gives up the ghost.
You can’t repair it and can’t find anyone else to at a decent price, so it joins the global mountain of junk.
You’re forced to buy a replacement, which fuels climate change from the greenhouse gases released in the manufacturing process.
But help is at hand, because citizens in the EU and parts of the USA will soon get a "right to repair" - of sorts.
This consists of a series of proposals from European environment ministers to force manufacturers to make goods that last longer and are easier to mend.
The European proposals refer to lighting, televisions and large home appliances.

Let's tackle the shortening of the quarry to landfill trend, this will be far more effective that many of the so called CO2 tax initiatives.

Akrasia · 09-01-2019 10:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A step in the right direction.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46797396

Let's tackle the shortening of the quarry to landfill trend, this will be far more effective that many of the so called CO2 tax initiatives.

I think we need both and can do both at the same time

Akrasia · 15-01-2019 11:30AM

In more good news, Antarctic ice loss has been accelerating over the past 4 decades and ice loss 280% faster than in the 1970s

One of the worrying mechanisms for this is the loss of antarctic sea ice which was buttressing the ice shelves and preventing the glaciers from flowing into the sea.
The loss of the sea ice has been exposing the continental ice to the warm salty water which is speeding up ice loss and contributing to global sea level rises

Enhanced intrusion of CDW being the root cause of the mass loss in the ASE and the West Peninsula, we posit that a similar situation is taking place in Wilkes Land, where novel and sustained oceanographic data are critically needed. Our mass balance assessment, combined with prior surveys, suggests that the sector between Cook/Ninnis and West ice shelves may be exposed to CDW and could contribute multimeter SLR with unabated climate warming.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/01/08/1812883116

The 'CDW' refers to 'circumpolar deep water'
Warming salty water which is now in contact with the continental ice shelves due to retreating sea ice.

Multimeter SLR is Sea level Rises of multiple metres over the course of the next few centuries (possibly faster if the ice shelves collapse abruptly as some models suggest they might)

The Antarctic contribution to sea level rises is only one factor. We're also losing ice mass from greenland and sea level rises are still happening due to thermal expansion

Thargor · 15-01-2019 07:41PM

This is pretty horrifying, nearly total insect collapse even in virgin untouched rainforest far from any pesticides or human interference, seems to be worldwide aswell:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/15/insect-collapse-we-are-destroying-our-life-support-systems

Akrasia · 16-01-2019 08:12AM

Thargor wrote: »

This is pretty horrifying, nearly total insect collapse even in virgin untouched rainforest far from any pesticides or human interference, seems to be worldwide aswell:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/15/insect-collapse-we-are-destroying-our-life-support-systems

It's very very worrying. These ecosystems are usually self regulating and can maintain a stable climate over tens of thousands of years. We're subjecting them to very rapid changes in temperature and rainfall over sustained periods of time, and they cannot cope with this.

The fastest mass extinction event on earth was the Permian Mass extinction event when it took about 60000 years to wipe out 90% of aquatic species and 70% of land species.

Humans have been technological species for only a few thousand years and we're doing our very best to beat that record.

50% of the worlds species live in rainforests and if the insect population collapses, there goes the entire food web.

The other great reservoirs for natural diversity are the coral reefs and we're destroying those too

The Oort Cloud · 17-01-2019 02:24PM

The IPCC, Intergovernmental panel On Climate Change are politicians, none of them are real scientists or climatologists, they are just spouting pseudo-science, and I have no time for pseudo-science. So-called man-made climate change is the biggest scam in the history of the world, just another carbon tax to keep the people down and solidly controlled. If they had thought of taxing the people in the medieval warm period they would have done the same if they were good with coming up with this crazy idea.

The climate has been changing all on its own for millions of years, from the medieval warm period of which was a lot hotter than it is now to ice ages, the natural workings of the climate changes all by itself. There is not one scientist or climatologist on this planet that fully understands chaos theory, and climate is just that... chaos theory. Extremely complex, as well as that big orange ball in space of which has a huge impact on climate as well. When pseudo-science becomes the new science we sure as hell need to worry, real science is eroding, this is what will destroy us all if it keeps up.

NASA has just recently released their years study on the suns sun-spot activity, the sun-spots are basically non-existent at this time. NASA have said that we will be in a cooling period now for the next 12 years, and that comes from NASA itself. Even if we were entering another kind of medieval warm period the governments of the world would still carbon tax you even if it is a natural occurrence from a natural climate change.

The world will be here long after we are all gone. Save the planet they say, there is nothing wrong with the planet, but there is something very wrong with pollution, that needs to be cleaned up, especially the oceans. The climate is fine, and if NASA are correct in their studies, then we are in a cooling period now. They would tax the volcanoes if they could. This world has and will always change from natural climate change, and interfering with something they know little about could be more dangerous for us all. Why are people afraid of the earths natural changes ? Humans have always adapted and over-come these changes, why be afraid of these natural changes ?

Unless you can fully understand chaos theory, you will never understand natural climate function. Same goes for the Sun.

"Man-made" Climate Change Lunathicks Out in Full Force

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