Murder house

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 1:17pm #1

Just wondering if this would put most people off a house. We spotted a nice house that had upon investigation a fairly violent murder in.

It was up for sale a while back and is now back on the market. It's easy enough to find the information about what happened in it. Is this something the estate agent has to disclose and could it be used as a bargaining tool ?

listermint · 02-01-2019 1:19pm

Hmm, honestly.

Thats a tough one. Personally even though i dont believe in all that ghostly shenangians whatsoever.

I dont know if id ever feel at ease in a house that a violent murder took place in.

I mean id always know, and id always walk into the room that it happened in. Even if it was just to pop into my mind. It would be in there forever i suppose.

Del2005 · 02-01-2019 1:22pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Just wondering if this would put most people off a house. We spotted a nice house that had upon investigation a fairly violent murder in.

It was up for sale a while back and is now back on the market. It's easy enough to find the information about what happened in it. Is this something the estate agent has to disclose and could it be used as a bargaining tool ?

Does an estate agent have to disclose anything by law?

It's up to you how to proceed but considering that at one stage there where 8 million people living on this Island then finding somewhere that someone hasn't meet a violent death is going to be extremely difficult.

whiskeyman · 02-01-2019 1:22pm

It want be to a savage discount for me personally.
Even then, I'm not sure.
We bought a 2nd hand house, and it was a nice feeling having to meet the family who were downsizing and seeing the family life who lived there previously.

Good article here with some info:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/criminal-assets-six-irish-houses-with-dark-pasts-1.3463639

listermint · 02-01-2019 1:25pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Does an estate agent have to disclose anything by law?

It's up to you how to proceed but considering that at one stage there where 8 million people living on this Island then finding somewhere that someone hasn't meet a violent death is going to be extremely difficult.

Ehhh...

handlemaster · 02-01-2019 1:28pm

listermint wrote: »

Ehhh...

point been there are ghosts everywhere if your into that and worried about some one having died in a house. Look at the Tuam babies are the people going to up and move ?

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 1:31pm

handlemaster wrote: »

point been there are ghosts everywhere if your into that and worried about some one having died in a house. Look at the Tuam babies are the people going to up and move ?

Ghosts aren't a problem

Having had plenty of experience with the living and dead they dont bother me.

listermint · 02-01-2019 1:36pm

handlemaster wrote: »

point been there are ghosts everywhere if your into that and worried about some one having died in a house. Look at the Tuam babies are the people going to up and move ?

He is talking about an actual house with a violent death in it.

Was the other poster or yourself for that matter asserting that all houses in Ireland have had a violent death in them ?

Hence the confusion.

Theres a difference between someone being bludgeoned to death in the bedroom of your new second hand house and someone being strangled in a field up the road.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 1:37pm

handlemaster wrote: »

point been there are ghosts everywhere if your into that and worried about some one having died in a house. Look at the Tuam babies are the people going to up and move ?

I know what you mean.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 1:40pm

listermint wrote: »

Theres a difference between someone being bludgeoned to death in the bedroom of your new second hand house and someone being strangled in a field up the road.

Why? If you don't believe in ghosts what is the problem. If ghosts do exist, why believe they only stay where the person dies.

I can't see it bothering me personally. Lots of places I have been have had people die,: nursing homes, hospitals, traffic accidents, tube stations, beaches.

bertsmom · 02-01-2019 1:42pm

It wouldn't bother me to live in etc but I would wonder would it be a case of attracting attention from people who like to go see the area/place where something happened.
I'd hate to have strangers interested in my property when I'm just going about my daily life.

Gazzmonkey · 02-01-2019 1:59pm

Very hard to find a house were someone didn't die in it... at least where I'm from.

L1011 · 02-01-2019 2:00pm

Large detached house in North county Dublin? Maybe not as the EA ads instructed people to research the history of that one.

You won't be able to sell the house easily for decades. That is the biggest problem really. Eventually it ceases to be an issue but it'll hang around and depress the value in to the medium term. May be impossible to get a mortgage in the medium term either

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 2:05pm

L1011 wrote: »

Large detached house in North county Dublin? Maybe not as the EA ads instructed people to research the history of that one.

You won't be able to sell the house easily for decades. That is the biggest problem really. Eventually it ceases to be an issue but it'll hang around and depress the value in to the medium term. May be impossible to get a mortgage in the medium term either

No, south west Dublin.

What do you mean by medium term ? 10 years or less. I know the neighbours on that street will always associate the house with the murder.

listermint · 02-01-2019 2:09pm

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Why? If you don't believe in ghosts what is the problem. If ghosts do exist, why believe they only stay where the person dies.

I can't see it bothering me personally. Lots of places I have been have had people die,: nursing homes, hospitals, traffic accidents, tube stations, beaches.

Its not ghostly .

Its having to have the thought of the person who was murdered pop into your brain when lying in bed or walking into the kitchen.

Not something you'd want really in your own home. There's a stark difference between memorable events and someone just passing away in their bed and you not knowing he intimate details

eviltwin · 02-01-2019 2:10pm

Wouldn't bother me at all but I can understand why it would put some people off. I know the previous owner of my house had a family member who died in the house and I barely think about it.

L1011 · 02-01-2019 2:10pm

D3V!L wrote: »

No, south west Dublin.

What do you mean by medium term ? 10 years or less. I know the neighbours on that street will always associate the house with the murder.

Try 40 or so

murphaph · 02-01-2019 2:15pm

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Very hard to find a house were someone didn't die in it... at least where I'm from.

My father died on the couch at home. Eventually you decorate and stop associating the sitting room with the death. You always know but you aren't always thinking about it.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 2:18pm

listermint wrote: »

Its not ghostly .

Its having to have the thought of the person who was murdered pop into your brain when lying in bed or walking into the kitchen.

Not something you'd want really in your own home. There's a stark difference between memorable events and someone just passing away in their bed and you not knowing he intimate details

Well if you think that is going to torture you forever, then obviously the person shouldn't buy.

However, for me, I'd imagine it would be a fleeting thought that lessens over time as I make my own memories.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 2:19pm

murphaph wrote: »

My father died on the couch at home. Eventually you decorate and stop associating the sitting room with the death. You always know but you aren't always thinking about it.

I agree. It's not like you are going to walk into a room and get the chills for years on end.

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 2:19pm

The issue here isnt a passing in the house which basically happens in most houses. It's the effect on the value of a house where someone was murdered.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 2:25pm

D3V!L wrote: »

The issue here isnt a passing in the house which basically happens in most houses. It's the effect on the value of a house where someone was murdered.

Well, it is the passing/murder because that is what may affect future sale. I'm saying it wouldn't bother me. Plenty of people buy for investment as well and rent out.

Gimme A Pound · 02-01-2019 2:35pm

*screams*

Purple drapes!

Del2005 · 02-01-2019 2:45pm

listermint wrote: »

He is talking about an actual house with a violent death in it.

Was the other poster or yourself for that matter asserting that all houses in Ireland have had a violent death in them ?

Hence the confusion.

Theres a difference between someone being bludgeoned to death in the bedroom of your new second hand house and someone being strangled in a field up the road.

How do you know that someone didn't meet an a violent death in your home? Don't forget that there were people around before it was a house so we have no idea how many people died in any location. So your only problem is that you know someone died there as opposed to living in ignorance of what happened in the thousands of years people lived on this island, in much more violent times.

OP. Like everything else it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, so make your offer and see what happens. Its up to the vendor to decide if you get it for what you offer not people on the Internet. But if you go to sell the perspective buyers might want a discount!

judeboy101 · 02-01-2019 2:48pm

For some people it would be a turn on and an added bonus.

catrionanic · 02-01-2019 3:00pm

I'm not sure why people keep referring to the normal death of people in their beds etc, from old age or sickness or whatever, to the savage and violent murder the OP was referring to.

I wouldn't care if the previous owner had died in her bed aged 86. I would absolutely care if the previous owner was stabbed to death by her husband in the kitchen.

A world of a difference.

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 3:05pm

catrionanic wrote: »

I'm not sure why people keep referring to the normal death of people in their beds etc, from old age or sickness or whatever, to the savage and violent murder the OP was referring to.

I wouldn't care if the previous owner had died in her bed aged 86. I would absolutely care if the previous owner was stabbed to death by her husband in the kitchen.

A world of a difference.

Yes there is a stark contrast.

Pawwed Rig · 02-01-2019 3:06pm

Wouldn't bother me personally but if I could leverage it to get a discount I would.

ongarboy · 02-01-2019 4:28pm

Just don't watch this show then!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Horror_Story:_Murder_House

Being serious, I don't know why but hearing of a suicide in a house would put me off purchasing a property to live in over other hearing of other deaths. Maybe it's just the particularly sad nature of how the death happened.... A friend of mine bought a house recently with her family and I subsequently heard through other sources that there was a suicide in the house back in the 1990s of a teenage boy in his bedroom there. I have chosen not to tell her (she may have or will eventually hear about it) but it's something I wouldn't like to know about if it was my house.

listermint · 02-01-2019 4:53pm

Del2005 wrote: »

How do you know that someone didn't meet an a violent death in your home? Don't forget that there were people around before it was a house so we have no idea how many people died in any location. So your only problem is that you know someone died there as opposed to living in ignorance of what happened in the thousands of years people lived on this island, in much more violent times.

OP. Like everything else it's only worth what someone is willing to pay, so make your offer and see what happens. Its up to the vendor to decide if you get it for what you offer not people on the Internet. But if you go to sell the perspective buyers might want a discount!

Because i know all the previous owners and when the house was built.

Perspective..

begbysback · 02-01-2019 5:00pm

Statistically it’s safer to buy a house where there has been a violent murder, as your chances of being murdered in your own house are greater then that of winning the lottery, the chances of that occurring twice in the same house would be greater than the same person winning the lottery twice.

If I were selling, I would ask for extra money given the statistics.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 5:18pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Yes there is a stark contrast.

Obviously not to everyone. Death is death. How "savage"was this murder anyway.

Andrew00 · 02-01-2019 5:27pm

OP what are th details of the murder that happened in the house

Link it on there

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 5:30pm

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Obviously not to everyone. Death is death. How "savage"was this murder anyway.

Extremely !!

I'm not posting details of it as itll include the address of the property.

02-01-2019 5:34pm

L1011 wrote: »

Large detached house in North county Dublin? Maybe not as the EA ads instructed people to research the history of that one.

You won't be able to sell the house easily for decades. That is the biggest problem really. Eventually it ceases to be an issue but it'll hang around and depress the value in to the medium term. May be impossible to get a mortgage in the medium term either

Why would it impact ability to get a mortgage??

D3V!L · 02-01-2019 5:34pm

368100 wrote: »

Why would it impact ability to get a mortgage??

Very good point.

El Tarangu · 02-01-2019 5:36pm

The only reason that would put me off buying would be that the property might be more difficult to sell. Though you could probably get a discount on the purchase price so, swings and roundabouts...

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-01-2019 5:42pm

As a last resort, bring a dictaphone (other more specific environmental equipment might also be handy),
when viewing any murder-house with view to purchase.

At worst you might get some funny looks from the Estate Agent, when you announce intentions to re-model the place, dictaphone raised in hand.

Either result:
No feedback: Good (no issues with buying)
Positive feedback: Good (buy somewhere else).

El Tarangu · 02-01-2019 5:49pm

catrionanic wrote: »

I'm not sure why people keep referring to the normal death of people in their beds etc, from old age or sickness or whatever, to the savage and violent murder the OP was referring to.

...

A world of a difference.

I'd say that there are a lot of older houses where things that would nowadays be considered as child abuse and marital rape took place on weekly basis; but people live in those houses today, happy and oblivious.

The only difference being that murders always make the newspapers, whereas spousal abuse, child abuse, or suicide would not.

OP - if you visit the house, you will probably know yourself already if it is likely to prey on your mind or not. If it doesn't, and you manage to negotiate a discount on the purchase price, I would say to go for it.

jimmycrackcorm · 02-01-2019 5:57pm

catrionanic wrote:

I wouldn't care if the previous owner had died in her bed aged 86. I would absolutely care if the previous owner was stabbed to death by her husband in the kitchen.

I guess you've never watched soneone die at home in pain from cancer where no account of morphine can ease it.

r93kaey5p2izun · 02-01-2019 5:59pm

I would not like to live in such a house. I grew up looking at a house where a fella murdered his family and I think of it still every single time I look at the house even after over 30 years. Likewise I have lived in a house where someone committed suicide and I thought of it every day multiple times a day. Lots of people will feel the same so if you intend to sell the house in the future I think it is an additional risk.

Eric Cartman · 02-01-2019 6:09pm

Id play it up to the estate agent so much to try get a price drop, claim that 50k was the amount needed to truly put me at ease about it.

In reality though id live in a house with graveyards front and back, multiple murders and built on a fairy ring and cursed by gypsies no bother.....If I never had to sell it.

At the end of the day we are the country that added a digit to registration plates to avoid the number 13.

Sunflower 27 · 02-01-2019 6:10pm

D3V!L wrote: »

Extremely !!

I'm not posting details of it as itll include the address of the property.

Fair enough.

porsche boy · 02-01-2019 6:11pm

Would the house be around the Naul??

Hoboo · 02-01-2019 6:13pm

porsche boy wrote: »

Would the house be around the Naul??

That was levelled

gozunda · 02-01-2019 6:20pm

In the UK several properties where grisly murders were found to have been committed were purposely demolished to stop goulish style interest. A few famous murder properties which had difficulties being sold were eventually sold at less than the asking price. Others were sold at market prices.

One field of thought suggests that negative energy (for example) where an aura of a violent event stays in an area afterwards - much like the way you can sense that a row has taken place in a room you've just stepped into. Supposedly akin to energy being neither created or destroyed but instead recorded in our own space time continuum.

Would I chose to live in the Best's house for example ? No.

L1011 · 02-01-2019 7:36pm

368100 wrote: »

Why would it impact ability to get a mortgage??

Because of the fact that it's difficult to sell. Lending decisions are not made solely on numbers, there is a human element involved in checking and there is a very high chance of a refusal if the bank believe the security (the house) is not worth it.

02-01-2019 7:39pm

begbysback wrote: »

Statistically it’s safer to buy a house where there has been a violent murder, as your chances of being murdered in your own house are greater then that of winning the lottery, the chances of that occurring twice in the same house would be greater than the same person winning the lottery twice.

If I were selling, I would ask for extra money given the statistics.

lol

I guess we found the estate agent.

appledrop · 02-01-2019 7:40pm

Definitely wouldn't buy it. You might be ok living in it but if you ever had to sell it a lot of people will not buy a house that someone was murdered in.

02-01-2019 7:45pm

L1011 wrote: »

Because of the fact that it's difficult to sell. Lending decisions are not made solely on numbers, there is a human element involved in checking and there is a very high chance of a refusal if the bank believe the security (the house) is not worth it.

I dont think that would happen based purely in history. Decline reason wouldnt be legisimate and could be reported to ombudsman. Obviously theyll only lend against what its currently worth but they would lend in my experience

L1011 · 02-01-2019 7:50pm

368100 wrote: »

I dont think that would happen based purely in history. Decline reason wouldnt be legisimate and could be reported to ombudsman. Obviously theyll only lend against what its currently worth but they would lend in my experience

"We do not believe the property can be resold for that value" is not an illegitimate reason for refusal

You couldn't borrow against 1 bed apartments for quite some time a few years ago due to concerns about resaleability - exactly the same concern.

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