22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

Kivaro · 29-12-2018 07:40PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Sinn Fein. They support an open door policy. As stated publicly by their previous leader and their current one, and their representatives any time there is a discussion about non-EU economic migration.
And we are not talking about an open door policy for refugees; we are talking about an open door for economic migrants from all over the world.

Delighted though, to see Sinn Fein losing 6% in the latest opinion polls.
Looks like the word is getting out to their supporters that the lunacy of their open door policy will equate to many of them having to compete with non-EU migrants for social welfare benefits, housing, school places, medical care, etc. etc.

Brian? wrote: »

No they don't. You've made that up.

Is that it Brian? Have you tried Googling anything about their position on open borders? Very infantile retort.

Gerry Adams repeatedly called for open borders (except for Brits I suppose) on a number of occasions, including on RTE television. On RTE radio, Sinn Fein representatives have repeatedly echoed identical views recently.
I cannot make that stuff up; it's out there already in the public domain.

If you think it is a conspiracy of lies, let's look as far back at the Sinn Fein ard fheis in 1998 where motions were passed supporting open borders for all migrants, including economic migrants.
Article 26:
Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland.

Article 27:
Sinn Fein deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

Both of these motions were passed unanimously by Sinn Fein.
And you will find the Oireachtas TV recording of these motions being discussed by the Joint Committee on Justice, Defense, and Equality hearing on YouTube .............. if you do a search.

Water John · 29-12-2018 07:44PM

Aine should stand again for election, with all the concerned citizens here, she should have no trouble getting a Dail seat.

29-12-2018 10:08PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I would have thought it is more likely it will be the Kurds looking for protection due to the new US withdrawal policy.

Wishful thinking, as already mentioned Syria is fractured into many groups. The biggest groups who have lost ground are the nutjob extremists

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wishful thinking, as already mentioned Syria is fractured into many groups. The biggest groups who have lost ground are the nutjob extremists

Until now. The Kurds are looking like they will be massacred by one of four groups when the US pulls out.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 11:30PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Until now. The Kurds are looking like they will be massacred by one of four groups when the US pulls out.

A crying shame that, they're a brave lot.

Kivaro · 29-12-2018 11:50PM

Brian? wrote: »

No they don't. You've made that up.

You should admit that you were wrong, and I wasn't making up anything.
People might have some respect for you if you do that.

There are a few posters on here repeatedly claiming that nobody is advocating for open borders, when the reality is that the 3rd largest political party in the country is doing just that.

Brian? · 30-12-2018 09:17AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Is that it Brian? Have you tried Googling anything about their position on open borders? Very infantile retort.

Gerry Adams repeatedly called for open borders (except for Brits I suppose) on a number of occasions, including on RTE television. On RTE radio, Sinn Fein representatives have repeatedly echoed identical views recently.
I cannot make that stuff up; it's out there already in the public domain.

If you think it is a conspiracy of lies, let's look as far back at the Sinn Fein ard fheis in 1998 where motions were passed supporting open borders for all migrants, including economic migrants.
Article 26:
Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland.

Article 27:
Sinn Fein deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

Both of these motions were passed unanimously by Sinn Fein.
And you will find the Oireachtas TV recording of these motions being discussed by the Joint Committee on Justice, Defense, and Equality hearing on YouTube .............. if you do a search.

I did a search on Sinn Feins official policy site. I can't find any policy endorsing completely open borders for Ireland. Can you? I'd be happy to read it.

Brian? · 30-12-2018 09:19AM

Kivaro wrote: »

You should admit that you were wrong, and I wasn't making up anything.
People might have some respect for you if you do that.

There are a few posters on here repeatedly claiming that nobody is advocating for open borders, when the reality is that the 3rd largest political party in the country is doing just that.

I did find this:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2009/Policies_Racism.pdf

Immigration
Sinn Féin calls on the Irish Government to sign and
ratify the International Convention on the
Protection of the Rights of all Migrant Workers and
Members of Their Families.
Sinn Féin calls for the establishment of a National
Task Force on Immigration and Emigration to
develop a national policy and a new Immigration
Act.
Recruitment of immigrant workers should be done
in conjunction with the Minister responsible for
Overseas Development to ensure equality.

Asylum seekers
All asylum seekers who arrived in Ireland before
January 1st 2001 should be granted an amnesty.
There should be an immediate end to forced
dispersal and of issuing vouchers ("direct
provision") to asylum seekers.
A special healthcare centre for the treatment of
torture victims should be established in Ireland.
An immediate end to the practice of detaining
asylum seekers in prison.

Again, happy to read something that contradicts this.

tretorn · 30-12-2018 09:52AM

A special healthcare treatment centre for torture victims, SinnFein would know about torture all right, the irony. Sooner the better this good for nothing but pandering to leeches party is gone the better.
Has any asylum seeker who illegally entered this country showed signs of torture. They are mistly young black men who are arriving all over Europe and they look very well fed and healthy to me. They are arriving from ****holes but its the men in these countries that reduce the place to ****holes and leave the women to work and take care of the children. The men are taking the womens earnings snd paying smugglers to out them on boats, they could eadily pay airfares but landing on a plane doesnt have the pathetic look arriving on a boat does. None of the young men on the boats look traumatised, their country needs them and we dont need or want them, well those of us earning a living through agitating for them might want them but thats very few of us.
If someone like Peter Casey was to say itas it is regarding economic migrants they would be elected anywhere in the country on a landslide. The people who voted for him regarding traveller problems would also I believe have huge concerns about how immigration system but the liberals and media make sure their voices are never heard, the winds are changing though and people are reading through the lines of the sob stories and coming to their own conclusions.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/bid-made-to-remove-family-from-homeless-hub-on-christmas-eve-1.3743080

A typical sob story, mother and poor children made homeless by heartless scrooges on Xmas Eve. Then buried deep in the sad tale is the reason why, underage childrenleft unattended come to the attention of staff, no reason given why staff become aware of children being on their own, that would give too much away, the irish Times has ecome a mouthpiece for PC nonsense, you might as well just buy the Guardian, its a bit cheaper.

Kivaro · 30-12-2018 12:54PM

Brian? wrote: »

I did find this:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2009/Policies_Racism.pdf

Again, happy to read something that contradicts this.

I don't know if you are grasping for straws or just deflecting, but that has nothing to do with your statement that I was making up Sinn Fein's open border policy.

Brian? wrote: »

I did a search on Sinn Feins official policy site. I can't find any policy endorsing completely open borders for Ireland. Can you? I'd be happy to read it.

Brian, I provided you with the motions passed at the 1998 Sinn Fein ard fheis that propagated their open doors policy. I did not make those articles up. They were unanimously passed by the Sinn Fein delegates. Here they are again:
Article 26:
Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland.

Article 27:
Sinn Fein deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

No restriction on immigration, including no limits on economic migration into Ireland would be an unmitigated disaster for Ireland. Where would we house the unlimited numbers arriving into Ireland? Do we have the hospital beds, enough doctors at GP practices around the country, enough school places for all migrant children, adequate mental health services, and sufficient social welfare finances to handle such a policy?

Sinn Fein has been espousing unrestricted immigration for decades. Their politicians frequently advocate for it. You can repeat your assertion that I am making it up, but for the sake of your integrity, you should acknowledge your mistake.
Both sides of the political divide constantly use the quip "You are making it up". In this instance, there is enough proof in the public domain to nullify your claim.

PuppyMcPupFace · 30-12-2018 01:07PM

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't know if you are grasping for straws or just deflecting, but that has nothing to do with your statement that I was making up Sinn Fein's open border policy.

Brian, I provided you with the motions passed at the 1998 Sinn Fein ard fheis that propagated their open doors policy. I did not make those articles up. They were unanimously passed by the Sinn Fein delegates. Here they are again:
Article 26:
Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland.

Article 27:
Sinn Fein deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

No restriction on immigration, including no limits on economic migration into Ireland would be an unmitigated disaster for Ireland. Where would we house the unlimited numbers arriving into Ireland? Do we have the hospital beds, enough doctors at GP practices around the country, enough school places for all migrant children, adequate mental health services, and sufficient social welfare finances to handle such a policy?

Sinn Fein has been espousing unrestricted immigration for decades. Their politicians frequently advocate for it. You can repeat your assertion that I am making it up, but for the sake of your integrity, you should acknowledge your mistake.
Both sides of the political divide constantly use the quip "You are making it up". In this instance, there is enough proof in the public domain to nullify your claim.

I think on Law and Order they call that "asked and answered"!!!

end of the road · 30-12-2018 04:07PM

tretorn wrote: »

A special healthcare treatment centre for torture victims, SinnFein would know about torture all right, the irony. Sooner the better this good for nothing but pandering to leeches party is gone the better.

tretorn wrote: »

sf won't be going anywhere soon i should think.

Has any asylum seeker who illegally entered this country showed signs of torture. They are mistly young black men who are arriving all over Europe and they look very well fed and healthy to me. They are arriving from ****holes but its the men in these countries that reduce the place to ****holes and leave the women to work and take care of the children. The men are taking the womens earnings snd paying smugglers to out them on boats, they could eadily pay airfares but landing on a plane doesnt have the pathetic look arriving on a boat does. None of the young men on the boats look traumatised, their country needs them and we dont need or want them, well those of us earning a living through agitating for them might want them but thats very few of us.

none of that means they aren't victims of torture. your post is also mostly wrong

tretorn wrote: »

If someone like Peter Casey was to say itas it is regarding economic migrants they would be elected anywhere in the country on a landslide. The people who voted for him regarding traveller problems would also I believe have huge concerns about how immigration system but the liberals and media make sure their voices are never heard, the winds are changing though and people are reading through the lines of the sob stories and coming to their own conclusions.

peter casey supposibly "said it as it is" in relation to travelers (told some people what they wanted to hear) and only got 23% of the vote for the presidential election. i'd imagine he or someone similar would only get the same or quite likely a lot less if they were to supposibly "say it how it is" (tell some people what they want to hear) in relation to migrants while running to be a politician.
"jaa liberals rabel rabel" and "jaa media rabel rabel" do not make sure that the voices of those with actual genuine concerns who can express them decently are never heard, rather they aren't going to waste time listening to people who don't express an actual genuine complaint or greevence but engage in generalisations and the rest, quite frankly as it should be.

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/bid-made-to-remove-family-from-homeless-hub-on-christmas-eve-1.3743080

A typical sob story, mother and poor children made homeless by heartless scrooges on Xmas Eve. Then buried deep in the sad tale is the reason why, underage childrenleft unattended come to the attention of staff, no reason given why staff become aware of children being on their own, that would give too much away, the irish Times has ecome a mouthpiece for PC nonsense, you might as well just buy the Guardian, its a bit cheaper.

does every single thing need to be explained right down to a t and if so why? why does a reason as to why or how staff became aware of unattended children in a lift need to be given. surely the fact they became aware of it is enough. and what exactly would it "give away" . that the children are immigrants/black/whatever suits the old agenda?

PuppyMcPupFace · 30-12-2018 04:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

none of that means they aren't victims of torture. your post is also mostly wrong

peter casey supposibly "said it as it is" in relation to travelers (told some people what they wanted to hear) and only got 23% of the vote for the presidential election. i'd imagine he or someone similar would only get the same or quite likely a lot less if they were to supposibly "say it how it is" (tell some people what they want to hear) in relation to migrants while running to be a politician.
"jaa liberals rabel rabel" and "jaa media rabel rabel" do not make sure that the voices of those with actual genuine concerns who can express them decently are never heard, rather they aren't going to waste time listening to people who don't express an actual genuine complaint or greevence but engage in generalisations and the rest, quite frankly as it should be.

does every single thing need to be explained right down to a t and if so why? why does a reason as to why or how staff became aware of unattended children in a lift need to be given. surely the fact they became aware of it is enough. and what exactly would it "give away" . that the children are immigrants/black/whatever suits the old agenda?

You are incapable of explaining water to a man falling overboard dude so lose the 'tude eh ?

enricoh · 30-12-2018 04:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://clarionproject.org/13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll/

https://www.jerusalemonline.com/counter-terror-expert-warned-us-senate-13-of-syrian-refugees-support-isis-19115/

http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/11/16/poll-550000-syrian-refugees-support-isis/

so eh with Assads side winning it`ll be the ISIS lads looking for asylum
Go Ireland!

Paddy will get the nice ones, not the ones that hate us. Same when they do the family repatriation bit.
The nasty ones will go to france, Germany, uk etc.
Wont they? Wont they? Basing this on the luck of the irish n not much else!

Brian? · 30-12-2018 09:52PM

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't know if you are grasping for straws or just deflecting, but that has nothing to do with your statement that I was making up Sinn Fein's open border policy.

Brian, I provided you with the motions passed at the 1998 Sinn Fein ard fheis that propagated their open doors policy. I did not make those articles up. They were unanimously passed by the Sinn Fein delegates. Here they are again:
Article 26:
Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland.

Article 27:
Sinn Fein deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country.

No restriction on immigration, including no limits on economic migration into Ireland would be an unmitigated disaster for Ireland. Where would we house the unlimited numbers arriving into Ireland? Do we have the hospital beds, enough doctors at GP practices around the country, enough school places for all migrant children, adequate mental health services, and sufficient social welfare finances to handle such a policy?

Sinn Fein has been espousing unrestricted immigration for decades. Their politicians frequently advocate for it. You can repeat your assertion that I am making it up, but for the sake of your integrity, you should acknowledge your mistake.
Both sides of the political divide constantly use the quip "You are making it up". In this instance, there is enough proof in the public domain to nullify your claim.

I linked their actual policies. The policies they stand for election on. Did you read it?

You’re telling me those articles were passed at the 1998 Are Fheis. Can you link where you got this information, I can’t find it.

If it is true, couldn’t their positions have evolved?

I’ll concede you didn’t make it up. Apologies. You are wrong though, Sinn Fein are not advocating an open border policy.

tretorn · 30-12-2018 10:49PM

end of the road wrote: »

none of that means they aren't victims of torture. your post is also mostly wrong

peter casey supposibly "said it as it is" in relation to travelers (told some people what they wanted to hear) and only got 23% of the vote for the presidential election. i'd imagine he or someone similar would only get the same or quite likely a lot less if they were to supposibly "say it how it is" (tell some people what they want to hear) in relation to migrants while running to be a politician.
"jaa liberals rabel rabel" and "jaa media rabel rabel" do not make sure that the voices of those with actual genuine concerns who can express them decently are never heard, rather they aren't going to waste time listening to people who don't express an actual genuine complaint or greevence but engage in generalisations and the rest, quite frankly as it should be.

does every single thing need to be explained right down to a t and if so why? why does a reason as to why or how staff became aware of unattended children in a lift need to be given. surely the fact they became aware of it is enough. and what exactly would it "give away" . that the children are immigrants/black/whatever suits the old agenda?

I am quite happy that the majority opinion willl prevail in this country the same as it has in all other European countries that want an end to uncontrolled immigration.

The facts speak for themselves, any politican that has the guts to speak out about the threat of Islam has done well in European National elections. Italy and the Netherlands and Germany now have very strong anti immigration platforms and our grandchildren, especially our grand daughter s will be thankful these people took on roles of leadership. Any European country that has more than fifteen per cent of its population as Muslim is a mess and the US and Australia have the right approach to immigration, you apply through the legal channels and have your paperwork in order and if you dont you will in the case of Australia be towed somewhere off shore while arrangements are made to deport you. This is Government acting in the best interests of its native population and Governments that are strong enough to ignore PC fools like rambling road that has no end.

No everything doesnt have to be explained to the last regarding minors left to mind themselves but please stop publishing nonsense articles about families being evicted when the reality is the accommodation providers housing them cant cope and has to call the Gardai to have them removed. The Irish times are taking their readership for fools but people are getting angry and just waiting for a new party based on immigration and traveller reform to emerge, we could save trillions in taxpayers money that we are squandering on illegal immigrants and criminal travellers and this money could be used to lower high taxes on young workers, its just disgusting how inept the leaders of this country are.

30-12-2018 11:20PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/01/refugees-isis-nato-commander-terrorists

Refugees from the Middle East and north Africa are “masking the movement” of terrorists and criminals, Nato’s top commander told Congress on Tuesday, despite the protests of human rights groups who say that refugees overwhelmingly have no ulterior motive but escape.
European leaders have been sharply divided about whether to continue accepting refugees, especially after high-profile incidents including sexual assaults in Germany, the destruction of refugee camps in France and the identification of war criminals in the Netherlands

tretorn · 30-12-2018 11:25PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-and-france-pledge-drive-to-tackle-people-smuggling-in-channel-1.3744544

It looks like France and the UK are joining forces to deal wth the illegal invasion of immigrants.

I was afraid France would encourage the immigrants to go to the UK as then its Britains problem if Brexit actually happens. Its too easy to get to our shores from the UK and we have enough arriving on planes and getting in seemingly easily enough without having to inspect lorries and ferries arriving from the UK.

Anyone in Dublin City Centre over Christmas must have been gobsmacked at the amount of non nationals, we have no idea of the numbers here, you could stand on O Connell Street and not hear a word of English. We are being swamped.

end of the road · 30-12-2018 11:29PM

tretorn wrote: »

I am quite happy that the majority opinion willl prevail in this country the same as it has in all other European countries that want an end to uncontrolled immigration.

the majority opinion already has prevailed in ireland. we don't have uncontroled immigration. we don't have open borders. people are happy to take in refugees as long as it's a sustainible number and that is what is being done. we apparently have the highest rejection rate of asylum seekers in europe.

tretorn wrote: »

The facts speak for themselves, any politican that has the guts to speak out about the threat of Islam has done well in European National elections.

really? the only ones who have done well is victor orban and the chap from poland. other then that, such politicians are ultimately rejected.

tretorn wrote: »

Italy and the Netherlands and Germany now have very strong anti immigration platforms and our grandchildren, especially our grand daughter s will be thankful these people took on roles of leadership.

rolls of leadership? not a chance. they are just rabel rousers who have nothing to offer apart from ranting about foreigners, with no actual policies or plans to offer on any issues. you think these people care about people's grand daughters? not a chance, they only care about their own hobby horse and they would throw everyone of us under the bus if it came to it.

tretorn wrote: »

Any European country that has more than fifteen per cent of its population as Muslim is a mess and the US and Australia have the right approach to immigration, you apply through the legal channels and have your paperwork in order and if you dont you will in the case of Australia be towed somewhere off shore while arrangements are made to deport you.

you do know the US have illegals in the millions? australia also will i suspect have illegal immigrants as much as either they, others, or both, may try and make out otherwise. their approaches are just a different way of what everyone else does and they don't keep out illegals altogether. in fact i'd suggest australia's approach relies to much on people being honest with their information. as for throwing people off shore to wherever, it's not working to well from what i hear.

tretorn wrote: »

This is Government acting in the best interests of its native population and Governments that are strong enough to ignore PC fools like rambling road that has no end.

all governments ignore "pc nonsense" mostly, apart from the odd thing where politically it's exceptible for them not to do so as they have a mandate given by the people.

end of the road · 30-12-2018 11:38PM

tretorn wrote: »

No everything doesnt have to be explained to the last regarding minors left to mind themselves but please stop publishing nonsense articles about families being evicted when the reality is the accommodation providers housing them cant cope and has to call the Gardai to have them removed.

the irish times published what happened. including what you are complaining that they didn't publish. what more do you want?

tretorn wrote: »

The Irish times are taking their readership for fools

how so. because they publish the information they have, rather then publish what some would like to hear or be told or believe to have happened?

tretorn wrote: »

but people are getting angry and just waiting for a new party based on immigration and traveller reform to emerge

i'd imagine those people will be waiting a very very long time for this party as traveler reform has already taken place and our immigration system is mostly okay but needs some tweaking for which the current lot, as much as i don't like them either, will cary out the tweaks to the asylum system if enough people raise the issue. same with law enforcement funding and anything else. if people don't raise issues or care more about tax cuts then funding public services then they cannot be surprised when nothing gets done.

tretorn wrote: »

we could save trillions in taxpayers money that we are squandering on illegal immigrants and criminal travellers and this money could be used to lower high taxes on young workers, its just disgusting how inept the leaders of this country are.

on what basis would you state the amount that could be saved would be trillions? i don't think our whole budget and spending even comes to a trillion does it? even if we did supposibly save "trillions" as you claim, then we have better things to spend the money on then giving out tax cuts, such as infrastructure and job creation.

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-and-france-pledge-drive-to-tackle-people-smuggling-in-channel-1.3744544

It looks like France and the UK are joining forces to deal wth the illegal invasion of immigrants.

I was afraid France would encourage the immigrants to go to the UK as then its Britains problem if Brexit actually happens. Its too easy to get to our shores from the UK and we have enough arriving on planes and getting in seemingly easily enough without having to inspect lorries and ferries arriving from the UK.

Anyone in Dublin City Centre over Christmas must have been gobsmacked at the amount of non nationals, we have no idea of the numbers here, you could stand on O Connell Street and not hear a word of English. We are being swamped.

why would france encourage the immigrants to go to britain and essentially make them britain's problem? the french government maybe against brexit but they are not unreasonable and they are not interested in playing silly games, neither are the EU commission. co-operation on such matters is always going to be the better option then playing games.
i think most people in dublin city centre during christmas had more important matters on their mind then foreign nationals.

tretorn · 30-12-2018 11:50PM

Why wouldnt France encourage the immigrants to go anywhere on earth except France.

France has been destroyed as a country and its only going to get worse once the western ISIS fighters start trekking home now that their chances of raping women are drying up.

Our immigration system isnt mostly okay. We have a huge housing problem that will never be sorted while we have economic migrants arriving in who are totally unemployable. The only way to get a house is to have about six children one after the other and then maybe they will end up in a ghetto somewhere in Mulhuddart. These children will then grow up and drive refridgerated trucks at our children or blow innocent music lovers eight years old and younger at an event in the Point. Why cant we learn from other countries mistakes and simply put these people back on the planes and charge the airlines who allowed them to board the price of the return flight.

DS86DS · 31-12-2018 12:10AM

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-and-france-pledge-drive-to-tackle-people-smuggling-in-channel-1.3744544

It looks like France and the UK are joining forces to deal wth the illegal invasion of immigrants.

I was afraid France would encourage the immigrants to go to the UK as then its Britains problem if Brexit actually happens. Its too easy to get to our shores from the UK and we have enough arriving on planes and getting in seemingly easily enough without having to inspect lorries and ferries arriving from the UK.

Anyone in Dublin City Centre over Christmas must have been gobsmacked at the amount of non nationals, we have no idea of the numbers here, you could stand on O Connell Street and not hear a word of English. We are being swamped.

Too right. What you are looking at is the result of Leftist cultural endoctrination and their friends in high places such as Merkel and Soros.

Only 20 years ago, you could walk from St. Stephen's Green to Parnell Square and see nothing but Irish people. Now there is not one street where half the pedestrians are not foreign.

The Liberal D4 elitists pushed this agenda from Day 1. They were fascinated by how multicultural and "culturally enriched" that cities like New York were.

They considered the Ireland of 1998 as a little 'too dull', a little "too Irish". How brilliant it would be they thought if they could end this once and for all, and make Dublin into mini-NYC with all sorts of ethnicities roaming the streets.

Well they got their wish, and this is the face of Dublin today..........just another bland globalist multicultural clone of every other city in Europe and North America. So much for the days when Dublin had its own unique character, and as the capital of the Irish Republic......was the home of Irish people.

But of course D4 Liberal yuppies love this arrangement. They get to experience a multicultural theme park...... while the real historical Dublin is forever lost to the Irish people.

It would not surprise me that by 2050, the GPO will be a mosque or a museum to the brilliance of culturally enriched Ireland, that Irish people won't even own anymore.

McGiver · 31-12-2018 12:25AM

DS86DS wrote:

Too right. What you are looking at is the result of Leftist cultural endoctrination and their friends in high places such as Merkel and Soros.

Indoctrination mate. Oh yeah the arch-evil Soros can't be missing in Kremlin propaganda and all associated tin-foil hat theories. He must feel empowered and I'd say amused by your folk elevating him to some sort of a demigod controlling world affairs.

And by the way, I hope you're aware that Russia has got some roughly 15M Muslims (the exact number isn't known 'cause your folks don't know how to count it properly) and one of the biggest mosques in Europe is in Moscow. RoI is nowhere near 10%+ Muslim population and all grand so.

Captain Obvious · 31-12-2018 12:25AM

DS86DS wrote: »

Too right. What you are looking at is the result of Leftist cultural endoctrination and their friends in high places such as Merkel and Soros.

Only 20 years ago, you could walk from St. Stephen's Green to Parnell Square and see nothing but Irish people. Now there is not one street where half the pedestrians are not foreign.

The Liberal D4 elitists pushed this agenda from Day 1. They were fascinated by how multicultural and "culturally enriched" that cities like New York were.

They considered the Ireland of 1998 as a little 'too dull', a little "too Irish". How brilliant it would be they thought if they could end this once and for all, and make Dublin into mini-NYC with all sorts of ethnicities roaming the streets.

Well they got their wish, and this is the face of Dublin today..........just another bland globalist multicultural clone of every other city in Europe and North America. So much for the days when Dublin had its own unique character, and as the capital of the Irish Republic......was the home of Irish people.

But of course D4 Liberal yuppies love this arrangement. They get to experience a multicultural theme park...... while the real historical Dublin is forever lost to the Irish people.

It would not surprise me that by 2050, the GPO will be a mosque or a museum to the brilliance of culturally enriched Ireland, that Irish people won't even own anymore.

This is some great stuff

end of the road · 31-12-2018 12:49AM

tretorn wrote: »

Why wouldnt France encourage the immigrants to go anywhere on earth except France.

because it achieves absolutely nothing and the other countries might remove any extra facilities they have that france doesn't, yet which help them in times of need.

tretorn wrote: »

France has been destroyed as a country and its only going to get worse once the western ISIS fighters start trekking home now that their chances of raping women are drying up.

destroyed? not a chance. have issues which they need to deal with, absolutely.

tretorn wrote: »

Our immigration system isnt mostly okay.

it actually is . the issues with it are the length of time it takes to do it's work due to lack of resources, and the fact the authorities aren't more active at the ports as they probably should be.

tretorn wrote: »

We have a huge housing problem that will never be sorted while we have economic migrants arriving in who are totally unemployable.

it will never be sorted because there is no political will. we could have no migrants and it still wouldn't be solved. migrants have nothing to do with the issue not being solved. they would simply take up some of those houses yes but that is where their part ends. plenty of migrants work and we have our own unemployable.

tretorn wrote: »

The only way to get a house is to have about six children one after the other and then maybe they will end up in a ghetto somewhere in Mulhuddart.

interesting, because from what i understand that strategy isn't working very well.

tretorn wrote: »

These children will then grow up and drive refridgerated trucks at our children or blow innocent music lovers eight years old and younger at an event in the Point.

will they? every single one of them? really? are you sure about that? i should think the vast majority won't do any such thing, just like anywhere else.

tretorn wrote: »

Why cant we learn from other countries mistakes and simply put these people back on the planes and charge the airlines who allowed them to board the price of the return flight.

we do put them back on the planes, when their applications are heard and their final appeal is rejected. we don't charge the airlines the price of the return flight because it's moronic.

Robocop Corcoran · 31-12-2018 12:57AM

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-and-france-pledge-drive-to-tackle-people-smuggling-in-channel-1.3744544

It looks like France and the UK are joining forces to deal wth the illegal invasion of immigrants.

I was afraid France would encourage the immigrants to go to the UK as then its Britains problem if Brexit actually happens. Its too easy to get to our shores from the UK and we have enough arriving on planes and getting in seemingly easily enough without having to inspect lorries and ferries arriving from the UK.

Anyone in Dublin City Centre over Christmas must have been gobsmacked at the amount of non nationals, we have no idea of the numbers here, you could stand on O Connell Street and not hear a word of English. We are being swamped.

Moore street too, gangs of roma gypos hanging around waiting on old people to rob. These tramps have zero intention of ever contributing to this country, but lets be honest who in their right mind would hire them anyway..

jmreire · 31-12-2018 01:00AM

McGiver wrote: »

Indoctrination mate. Oh yeah the arch-evil Soros can't be missing in Kremlin propaganda and all associated tin-foil hat theories. He must feel empowered a I'd say amused by your folk elevating him to some sort of a demigod controlling world affairs.

And by the way, I hope you're aware that Russia has got some roughly 15M Muslims (the exact number isn't known 'cause your folks don't know how to count it properly) and one of the biggest mosques is in Moscow. RoI is nowhere near 10%+ Muslim population and all grand so.

In Russia ANY grouping at all, and I mean ANY, that even remotely look's like it's stepping out of line with the Kremlin position... will be reined in sharpish !!! Can you honestly see the kind of refugee migration Europe is experiencing happening in Russia? Believe me, every one in Russia is accounted for !!! Don't get me wrong, entry into Russia is not difficult. Sporting events held in Russia are well attended.. you apply for the visa, and when you get it, off you go! No Problem. BUT if you are discovered in Russia, without the proper documentation,..It will be a completely different story. And you WILL be discovered,,Police in Russia take identity documentation very serious, and checks are very common. So I don't think that Russia can be used as any kind of yardstick to quote from relative to the European situation

morrga · 31-12-2018 01:04AM

tretorn wrote: »

Why wouldnt France encourage the immigrants to go anywhere on earth except France.

France has been destroyed as a country and its only going to get worse once the western ISIS fighters start trekking home now that their chances of raping women are drying up.

Our immigration system isnt mostly okay. We have a huge housing problem that will never be sorted while we have economic migrants arriving in who are totally unemployable. The only way to get a house is to have about six children one after the other and then maybe they will end up in a ghetto somewhere in Mulhuddart. These children will then grow up and drive refridgerated trucks at our children or blow innocent music lovers eight years old and younger at an event in the Point. Why cant we learn from other countries mistakes and simply put these people back on the planes and charge the airlines who allowed them to board the price of the return flight.

Deluded

Odhinn · 31-12-2018 09:21AM

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-and-france-pledge-drive-to-tackle-people-smuggling-in-channel-1.3744544

It looks like France and the UK are joining forces to deal wth the illegal invasion of immigrants.

I was afraid France would encourage the immigrants to go to the UK as then its Britains problem if Brexit actually happens. Its too easy to get to our shores from the UK and we have enough arriving on planes and getting in seemingly easily enough without having to inspect lorries and ferries arriving from the UK.

Anyone in Dublin City Centre over Christmas must have been gobsmacked at the amount of non nationals, we have no idea of the numbers here, you could stand on O Connell Street and not hear a word of English. We are being swamped.

Doom! Doom! Doom!

McGiver · 31-12-2018 09:30AM

jmreire wrote:

In Russia ANY grouping at all, and I mean ANY, that even remotely look's like it's stepping out of line with the Kremlin position... will be reined in sharpish !!! Can you honestly see the kind of refugee migration Europe is experiencing happening in Russia? Believe me, every one in Russia is accounted for !!! Don't get me wrong, entry into Russia is not difficult. Sporting events held in Russia are well attended.. you apply for the visa, and when you get it, off you go! No Problem. BUT if you are discovered in Russia, without the proper documentation,..It will be a completely different story. And you WILL be discovered,,Police in Russia take identity documentation very serious, and checks are very common. So I don't think that Russia can be used as any kind of yardstick to quote from relative to the European situation

My post was mostly about the hypocrisy of a Russian guy concerned about few Muslims in Ireland, pointing out the fact that there are millions of Muslims in Russia, several hundred thousand in Moscow. The portrayal of Russia (and/or Putin) as some sort of a defender of Europe against Islamic hordes is a total BS.

I'm sure police will get you in Russia innocent or guilty, it's a feckin police state and oligarchy with a despotic political regime, and always has been. But I'd like to see evidence on how many Muslims exactly live in Russia, the numbers are not exactly clear. I don't think they are that good with documenting after all.

22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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