Is anybody mourning the loss of Manly /Womanly arts?

NSAman · 30-12-2018 02:32PM

JayZeus wrote: »

I know plenty of 'youngsters' who have nothing of real value to say. Happy?

As you say, everyone has a contribution to this world, some more than others. I absolutely agree.

For some, their sole contribution for the common good will be any net positive contribution in terms of the taxes they pay during life. The may also have absolutely nothing of any worth the teach younger people when they too are 'oldies'.

I'm far too intelligent to accept that elders are deserving of respect just because they're old. Trump is 'old', to take a convenient example. Do you respect him for his ability to impart valuable teachings to young people, aside from observing how poor an example he is as a human being?

Of course not (or we have a whole other issue at hand), so why would I respect anyone else's ability to educate/teach/mentor/train younger folks, just because of their age?

Go ahead and have the last word on this now if you feel it necessary. :rolleyes:

No I dont feel the need to have the last word..;)

Feisar · 30-12-2018 02:42PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

This thread is becoming really cringy. I see old people fellate themselves because they can change tires or change a light bulb.

Meanwhile an old neighbor pajd me 200 eu to fix her printer. (aka update the driver lon her laptop) i only took 50 eu for the replacement cartridges.

Its something so basic a 10 year old can do. I can go on and on but hey lets hear about how you can start a fire with sticks...

As I said earlier, required skill sets change over time. People aren't going to have a stock of redundant skills as that's a waste of time.

At the same time there seems to be a lack of basic skills in today's youth. (God I'm only 34 and going on like my Dad!)

The J Stands for Jay · 30-12-2018 02:50PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Moulded plugs that you can't open to change the fuse. Has to be chucked and a new lead with plug ordered and paid for.

Hopeless. Cut off the moulded plug and wire on a normal plug.

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 02:50PM

Feisar wrote: »

As I said earlier, required skill sets change over time. People aren't going to have a stock of redundant skills as that's a waste of time.

At the same time there seems to be a lack of basic skills in today's youth. (God I'm only 34 and going on like my Dad!)

and? old people need to upskill too, lest that 10 year old becomes more qualified than you in the IT sector

paw patrol · 30-12-2018 02:52PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't know how to light a fire, change a tyre, keep the oil topped up in their car, bleed a heater, use jump leads, foot turf, change a bulb or use a needle needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

my friend (41 years old) rang the AA cos his tyre was flat.
had no shame cos it was part of his policy.

kinda pathetic cos he'd to re-arrange his day waiting on AA man , instead of just doing it himself.
I'm not that handy but I can do certain basics.

Feisar · 30-12-2018 02:55PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

and? old people need to upskill too, lest that 10 year old becomes more qualified than you in the IT sector

I was basically agreeing with you.

Comprehension, now there's an interesting skill.

Tell me how · 30-12-2018 03:00PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Moulded plugs that you can't open to change the fuse. Has to be chucked and a new lead with plug ordered and paid for.

WildWater wrote: »

Personally, I'd have cut the plug off, stripped the wires and fitted a new plug.

If it was a medical device, particularly if the leads coming out of it seemed to be very small with light insulation, it is possible that there was a AC - DC converter in the head of the plug. If so, it would not be fused in the normal way, and most definitely, should not be replaced with a standard 13A. Some of these are very small and it would not be immediately clear that they were not just a plug top.

Wibbs · 30-12-2018 03:11PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

I see old people fellate themselves because they can change tires or change a light bulb.

If I could fellate myself I'd get nothing done.

I can go on and on but hey lets hear about how you can start a fire with sticks...

I'd use a bow drill cos I'm lazy, but these work better.

Feisar wrote: »

My Dad can turn his hand to anything but I bet he can't cure hides or knap flint.

Funny enough I'd know how to cure hides and can knap(bit outa practice with it though):D

And what happens when the first person sues a car manufacturer because they hurt their back changing a wheel? We'll have to call AA as wheels will be tamper proof. I'm being facetious but I may not be far off the mark.

Yeah though it's less about "safety" and much more down to how much more money makers/dealers can get from customers.

JayZeus wrote: »

I've made a simple decision a couple of years ago which was to refuse to buy anything made outside of Europe if I can help it. For modern devices like phones and computers, that's not possible. But anything else, I'd rather buy old and repair/restore to full functionality than pay Chinese industry to further erode the knowledgebase we've nearly lost completely.

Meet your twin. I avoid Chinese made tat as much is as humanly possible.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-12-2018 03:13PM

There's nothing new in some people having practical skills and others not. I'm mid 70s and know many my age who couldn't change a plug, assemble a flat pack, or change a wheel. Others can do woodwork, improvise fixes to faulty devices, or develop a complicated spreadsheet with macros. Likewise, I know younger people in both camps. Age doesn't automatically impact skills, knowledge nor wisdom. People have always had aptitudes towards mechanical reasoning, numeric reasoning, abstract reasoning etc. to varying degrees.

Roger Hassenforder · 30-12-2018 03:17PM

JayZeus wrote: »

For some, their sole contribution for the common good will be any net positive contribution in terms of the taxes they pay during life. The may also have absolutely nothing of any worth the teach younger people when they too are 'oldies'.

I'm far too intelligent to accept that elders are deserving of respect just because they're old. Trump is 'old', to take a convenient example. Do you respect him for his ability to impart valuable teachings to young people, aside from observing how poor an example he is as a human being?

Of course not (or we have a whole other issue at hand), so why would I respect anyone else's ability to educate/teach/mentor/train younger folks, just because of their age?
:rolleyes:

Ah Padawan, some of these oldies will have forgotten more than you'll ever know, and certainly are acutely aware anyone professing to be "far too intelligent", generally isnt.

Simple rule in life: have respect for the elderly.
Not blind, unquestioning obedience. Just a modicum of respect.

Roger Hassenforder · 30-12-2018 03:21PM

Young people just cant wield a mace or flail like we used to.

I weep for the future...

30-12-2018 03:51PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Ah Padawan, some of these oldies will have forgotten more than you'll ever know, and certainly are acutely aware anyone professing to be "far too intelligent", generally isnt.

Simple rule in life: have respect for the elderly.
Not blind, unquestioning obedience. Just a modicum of respect.

It's not an intelligent practice to defer to an elder on the sole basis that they are in fact, elder. My intelligence has it's limits, but it's at least sufficient to allow me think critically and only a fool would accept that being old makes one more wise than a younger person may be. That's the point I make.

As for a 'modicum of respect', I'm showing it. You and others who think an older person deserves protection from robust criticism, as though they're unable to think and speak clearly, deserve 'respect' in the form of polite acceptance or a refusal to engage are at odds with what you ask of me.

Old or young, when you're wrong, you're wrong. And generally speaking, younger generations don't need guidance from old people with foolish notions about themselves and how relevant their experiences of old may be today. Unless you've proven the value of your experiences to others in a way that's qualifiable, you should be prepared to have some push-back from people with a healthy skepticism for 'simple rules in life'.

Sardonicat · 30-12-2018 04:16PM

McGaggs wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

Moulded plugs that you can't open to change the fuse. Has to be chucked and a new lead with plug ordered and paid for.

Hopeless. Cut off the moulded plug and wire on a normal plug.

Read above about plugs and leads on medical devices.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-12-2018 04:17PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Read above about plugs and leads on medical devices.

Granted, but most of us aren't dealing with medical devices when we need to replace a fuse or a plug.

Sardonicat · 30-12-2018 04:19PM

Nasir Drab Musketeer wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

Read above about plugs and leads on medical devices.

Granted, but most of us aren't dealing with medical devices when we need to replace a fuse or a plug.

But it was exactly what I was referring to . Thanks

DS86DS · 30-12-2018 04:24PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

They're giving you funny looks because you display the skills of an accomplished serial killer.

In that case, 99% of our ancestors from hunter gatherer times were "serial killers".

We didn't survive thousands of years and become the dominant species on the planet by subsisting on lettuce.

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 04:25PM

DS86DS wrote: »

In that case, 99% of our ancestors from hunter gatherer times were "serial killers".

We didn't survive thousands of years and become the dominant species on the planet by subsisting on lettuce.

Damn. So is killing people justified now? Its after all, according to you, our natural state

Sardonicat · 30-12-2018 04:27PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

They're giving you funny looks because you display the skills of an accomplished serial killer.

In that case, 99% of our ancestors from hunter gatherer times were "serial killers".

We didn't survive thousands of years and become the dominant species on the planet by subsisting on lettuce.

Indeed.
I think developing a sense of humour somewhere during the course of our evolution may have played a role aswell .

DS86DS · 30-12-2018 04:27PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Damn. So is killing people justified now? Its after all, according to you, our natural state

The OP was talking about hunting and rabbit trapping. Pay attention.

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 04:28PM

DS86DS wrote: »

The OP was talking about hunting and rabbit trapping. Pay attention.

Thats cool. You dont mind if i kill your pet? Feeling peckish

Sardonicat · 30-12-2018 04:30PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

DS86DS wrote: »

The OP was talking about hunting and rabbit trapping. Pay attention.

Thats cool. You dont mind if i kill your pet? Feeling peckish

You can't eat a tamagotchi, kiddo.

DS86DS · 30-12-2018 04:32PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Thats cool. You dont mind if i kill your pet? Feeling peckish

Aww, does historical and social reality hurt your delicate sensibilities?

Find yourself stranded on a small tropical island in the middle of an ocean with nothing but a spear and see how far you get without having to "murder" some of the local animals.

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 04:32PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

You can't eat a tamagotchi, kiddo.

A tama go what?

Sardonicat · 30-12-2018 04:33PM

DS86DS wrote: »

sk8erboii wrote: »

Thats cool. You dont mind if i kill your pet? Feeling peckish

Aww, does historical and social reality hurt your delicate sensibilities?

Find yourself stranded on a small tropical island in the middle of an ocean with nothing but a spear and see how far you get without having to "murder" some of the local animals.

Do you find yourself in that prediciment often?

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 04:35PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Aww, does historical and social reality hurt your delicate sensibilities?

Find yourself stranded on a small tropical island in the middle of an ocean with nothing but a spear and see how far you get without having to "murder" some of the local animals.

Lol. Yeah buddy. Thats reality alright. HAHAHHAHAH

DS86DS · 30-12-2018 04:35PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Do you find yourself in that prediciment often?

Thankfully not. Like most people I enjoy the joys of Irish farmed meat.

sk8erboii · 30-12-2018 04:37PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Thankfully not. Like most people I enjoy the joys of Irish farmed meat.

Damn.. so its pointless you might even say..

iamwhoiam · 30-12-2018 04:38PM

Our little granddaughter follows her granda around" fixing " with him . She brings her little wooden tool set and uses her screwdriver for everything !
My point is she knows things are fixable and this will stay with her . Mind you she now thinks Granda can fix absolutely everything even the unfixable plastic toys !

batgoat · 30-12-2018 04:38PM

DS86DS wrote: »

Aww, does historical and social reality hurt your delicate sensibilities?

Find yourself stranded on a small tropical island in the middle of an ocean with nothing but a spear and see how far you get without having to "murder" some of the local animals.

Interestingly the Sentinel tribe that came to prominence a few months back are entirely vegetarian so tribal communities weren't always meat eaters.

Anyway, my view on hunting is it's all good as long as it serves a purpose. Eg eating I have major problems when the purpose is for the sake of cruelty though. Eg foxhunting or heading off to Africa to engage in big game hunting. Particularly when they're endangered.

30-12-2018 04:39PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

You can't eat a tamagotchi, kiddo.

Not with that attitude

Is anybody mourning the loss of Manly /Womanly arts?

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