22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

end of the road · 29-12-2018 03:08PM

gw80 wrote: »

How many are you going to take into your home?

how many irish are you taking into your home.

gw80 wrote: »

Of course she will be back to tell us that she lives on an island( for the millionth time) and that it wouldn't be convenient for her to take any in.
How very convenient,
Amazing how preachy and noble people can be, safe in the knowledge they will never have to deal with the fallout of all this.
I see what is happening in the UK and the continent as a result of this unnatural immigration and I worry about the future of my children and their children.
If all I had to worry about was a few cats then maybe I wouldn't be so concerned.

so no different to yourself who will no doubt make excuses for not taking in irish people to your home?

end of the road · 29-12-2018 03:12PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

When we get a rare big storm in Ireland, people are told stay away from the beach areas dont swim in the sea etc, and idiots ignore that advice and go for a swim anyway and have to be rescued,emergency services are putting their lives at risk for idiots.

Kinda similar situation here these people ignore the warnings and put their own lives and the lives of the coast guards at risk by attempting to cross the channel illegally. They dont deserve to be rescued.

Secondly, rescuing these people and ferrying them to land is giving the rest of the refugees/economic migrants an invitation to do the same.

Mediterranean taxi service all over again.

it's not a similar situation. in 1 case people are going to the beach in a storm and have been warned. in another, desperate people are trying to get to somewhere they have heard is definitely a safe place, via a crossing they probably know little about in reality. a country where they probably have relatives already. also, there is nothing to say that if they weren't rescued others wouldn't still try to cross the channel. when people are in a desperate situation they will try whatever to get out of it, it's human nature.

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Utter horse****, no rational thought whatsoever and can be summed up by "da poor kiddies".

It's a "done deal" is it? Rubbish.

Jesus you watch one badly edited Trocaire and fall for any old pony.

apparently it is indeed a done deal, they are coming. you don't need to watch supposibly "badly edited Trocaire" to gain knowledge of the facts of the syrian war.

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

I'd have no problem supporting refuge for the Kurds - had the balls to face off ISIS rather than abandoning their wives and kids in camps and fleeing to Europe. Brave lads.

so people should have stayed to no doubt be slaughtered rather then getting out and letting those with training and the ability do the fighting? that's hardly the best of ideas tbh.
how many abandoned their wives and children in camps and then fled to europe, given plenty of women and children have been coming. how do you know that perhapse wives haven't been telling the men to leave and find them somewhere safer before they would follow on. given we weren't and aren't there, nobody will know for sure.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 03:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

how many irish are you taking into your home.

so no different to yourself who will no doubt make excuses for not taking in irish people to your home?

Like everything you post that makes zero sense.

Odhinn · 29-12-2018 03:31PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Yes. And some of the parties want to withdraw from both. Ppl should have a look at the smaller parties if they are serious about stopping mass immigration into this country.

All the larger parties won’t change anything.

Which ones?

gw80 · 29-12-2018 03:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

how many irish are you taking into your home.

so no different to yourself who will no doubt make excuses for not taking in irish people to your home?

I cook meals for the homeless here in Waterford twice a month mostly of my own pocket. What do you contribute?

end of the road · 29-12-2018 03:53PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Which ones?

probably the likes of that united people party.

gw80 wrote: »

I cook meals for the homeless here in Waterford twice a month mostly of my own pocket. What do you contribute?

that's good to hear but it's not the same as taking people into your home i'd have thought. you ask others how many refugees they will be taking into their home, so it's reasonable to ask people who ask that question how many irish they will be taking in to their home, for balance.

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 04:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

probably the likes of that united people party.

that's good to hear but it's not the same as taking people into your home i'd have thought. you ask others how many refugees they will be taking into their home, so it's reasonable to ask people who ask that question how many irish they will be taking in to their home, for balance.

Not really. It should just be called out for the idiotic question it is.

Lefty Bicek · 29-12-2018 04:02PM

end of the road wrote: »

that's good to hear but it's not the same as taking people into your home i'd have thought. you ask others how many refugees they will be taking into their home, so it's reasonable to ask people who ask that question how many irish they will be taking in to their home, for balance.

You haven't scrap of sense.

gw80 · 29-12-2018 04:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

probably the likes of that united people party.

that's good to hear but it's not the same as taking people into your home i'd have thought. you ask others how many refugees they will be taking into their home, so it's reasonable to ask people who ask that question how many irish they will be taking in to their home, for balance.

But I'm not advocating bringing in unsustainable numbers of foreign migrants, especially on top of already struggling natives, and I certainly wouldn't have the gaul to do so if I was living well fenced off from the negative effects of it.

end of the road · 29-12-2018 04:17PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Not really. It should just be called out for the idiotic question it is.

that's what i'm doing, except in a very indirect way so as to give them more rope.

gw80 wrote: »

But I'm not advocating bringing in unsustainable numbers of foreign migrants, especially on top of already struggling natives, and I certainly wouldn't have the gaul to do so if I was living well fenced off from the negative effects of it.

neither is anyone else. at least not on this thread anyway. most people seem to be clear that we should only take in an amount we can sustainibly deal with.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 04:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

neither is anyone else. at least not on this thread anyway. most people seem to be clear that we should only take in an amount we can sustainibly deal with.

Badum tsshhh.

That was a joke right ?

Brian? · 29-12-2018 04:52PM

gw80 wrote: »

But I'm not advocating bringing in unsustainable numbers of foreign migrants, especially on top of already struggling natives, and I certainly wouldn't have the gaul to do so if I was living well fenced off from the negative effects of it.

Who's advocating bring in "unsustainable numbers of foreign immigrants"? This thread is about 22 families.

gw80 · 29-12-2018 04:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

that's what i'm doing, except in a very indirect way so as to give them more rope.

neither is anyone else. at least not on this thread anyway. most people seem to be clear that we should only take in an amount we can sustainibly deal with.

What are you talking about "enough rope".
I live in a 3 bedroom terraced house that I rent from the council, your welcome to come round and show me where I could put some homeless people,
I'm just about covering the costs of living the way I am, supporting my family, two boys and one girl, do you think I should put a homeless guy in my 14 year old daughters room?
You see, I'm sensible enough to realise that I can't afford to house and feed and look after a homeless person In my home, but I do what i can in other ways to try and help out.
Now if yourself and captain obvious are finished giving yourselves high 5s, why don't you answer my question, what do you contribute?

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 04:56PM

Brian? wrote: »

Who's advocating bring in "unsustainable numbers of foreign immigrants"? This thread is about 22 families.

The poster seems to be under the impression he'll be required to house one of the families.

Mr. teddywinkles · 29-12-2018 04:59PM

Shakey_jake wrote: »

I hate this attitude, the stupid lazy irish and all that!

What makes you so sure theyll be hard work law abiding citizens? We dont even know who they are

It's called self loathing very predominant in Irish people. Meanwhile stats show unemployment at its lowest ever.

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 05:32PM

gw80 wrote: »

What are you talking about "enough rope".
I live in a 3 bedroom terraced house that I rent from the council, your welcome to come round and show me where I could put some homeless people,
I'm just about covering the costs of living the way I am, supporting my family, two boys and one girl, do you think I should put a homeless guy in my 14 year old daughters room?
You see, I'm sensible enough to realise that I can't afford to house and feed and look after a homeless person In my home, but I do what i can in other ways to try and help out.
Now if yourself and captain obvious are finished giving yourselves high 5s, why don't you answer my question, what do you contribute?

Taxes.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 05:34PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Taxes.

Like you're the only ones????

Kivaro · 29-12-2018 05:35PM

Brian? wrote: »

Who's advocating bring in "unsustainable numbers of foreign immigrants"? This thread is about 22 families.

Sinn Fein. They support an open door policy. As stated publicly by their previous leader and their current one, and their representatives any time there is a discussion about non-EU economic migration.
And we are not talking about an open door policy for refugees; we are talking about an open door for economic migrants from all over the world.

Delighted though, to see Sinn Fein losing 6% in the latest opinion polls.
Looks like the word is getting out to their supporters that the lunacy of their open door policy will equate to many of them having to compete with non-EU migrants for social welfare benefits, housing, school places, medical care, etc. etc.

end of the road · 29-12-2018 05:35PM

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Badum tsshhh.

That was a joke right ?

nope. it was deadly serious.

gw80 wrote: »

What are you talking about "enough rope".
I live in a 3 bedroom terraced house that I rent from the council, your welcome to come round and show me where I could put some homeless people,
I'm just about covering the costs of living the way I am, supporting my family, two boys and one girl, do you think I should put a homeless guy in my 14 year old daughters room?
You see, I'm sensible enough to realise that I can't afford to house and feed and look after a homeless person In my home, but I do what i can in other ways to try and help out.
Now if yourself and captain obvious are finished giving yourselves high 5s, why don't you answer my question, what do you contribute?

so exactly the same as the rest of us then. we can't afford to be taking in complete strangers to our homes, and understandibly, many wouldn't anyway. hence we have a system in place to provide shelter for those in need of it. oh absolutely it's far from perfect however.

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 05:36PM

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Like you're the only ones????

No, a lot of people pay them. Their expectations for what they should get in return differ though.

Brian? · 29-12-2018 05:44PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Sinn Fein. They support an open door policy. As stated publicly by their previous leader and their current one, and their representatives any time there is a discussion about non-EU economic migration.
And we are not talking about an open door policy for refugees; we are talking about an open door for economic migrants from all over the world.

Delighted though, to see Sinn Fein losing 6% in the latest opinion polls.
Looks like the word is getting out to their supporters that the lunacy of their open door policy will equate to many of them having to compete with non-EU migrants for social welfare benefits, housing, school places, medical care, etc. etc.

No they don't. You've made that up.

gw80 · 29-12-2018 05:47PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The poster seems to be under the impression he'll be required to house one of the families.

Yea,that's it, that's exactly the impression I'm under.
Well done .

Captain Obvious · 29-12-2018 05:48PM

gw80 wrote: »

Yea,that's it, that's exactly the impression I'm under.
Well done .

You needn't worry so. That won't be expected of you.

Robocop Corcoran · 29-12-2018 05:49PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a similar situation. in 1 case people are going to the beach in a storm and have been warned. in another, desperate people are trying to get to somewhere they have heard is definitely a safe place, via a crossing they probably know little about in reality. a country where they probably have relatives already. also, there is nothing to say that if they weren't rescued others wouldn't still try to cross the channel. when people are in a desperate situation they will try whatever to get out of it, it's human nature

The majority of them that are crossing the channel are Iranians coming from Belgrade, a safe place that they had been invited to.

decky1 · 29-12-2018 05:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

i doubt it was closed down specifically so that refugees could live there, more likely it wasn't profitible and the choice was to close it and leave it to deteriorate or take government money in exchange for taking in refugees and make money and keep the building usable.
perhapse if people supported the hotel by going to stay there then perhapse the owner wouldn't have felt the need to take in refugees to make money.

great support from the local in bar etc, music on sunday evening place packed, along comes new owner total refurb made some staff redundant , got rid of music on sunday evening then starts crying 'no business, strange he never revamped any of the rooms though, think he knew all along what he was going to do, suppose business is business.

_Kaiser_ · 29-12-2018 06:01PM

Graces7 wrote: »

There is nothing romanticesed or idealistic about little ones so damaged by being bombed and attacked and in danger ... about reverting to no toilet control... about losing speech. Your lack of any compassion is sad and unrealistic

This is not about charity but our political contractual and ethical obligation as a member country of Europe.

Have you seen the war films? The wounded children? No child here has that to contend with so away with your narrowmindedness and let us see some compassion please. It is a done deal that they are coming .

You would make ireland into what? irish only? Lucky Ellis Island had more humanitarian ways when faced with many thousands of Irish children.

So basically, "won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!" is it?

Again...

- we already give several hundred million Euro per year in foreign aid. We continued to do so during an extremely damaging recession I might add. Every taxpayer in this country has done their part for the children you refer to

- we have plenty of children and families here now who have been and continue to be victims of poverty, homelessness, poor education, witnessed or suffered domestic violence, and other such things no child should have to go through. Those are our priorities in my view and where our efforts and resources should be focused. Once we tackle those issues, we can start worrying about the problems in countries thousands of miles away that we have no legal or moral obligation to

- seeing as you missed it, despite the above, I've already said that we should accept genuine refugees on a temporary basis and within realistic limits for the assistance we can offer given the domestic issues above. This however does not equate to permanent resettlement and financial support. Should they wish to apply for those things, there are ways to do that legitimately and they can have their claim considered accordingly

Emotional hand-wringing carries very little weight with me. My primary concern is for the citizens (native and legitimate) of this country. There is only so much help to go around, and we have plenty of problems here that we're not dealing with.

end of the road · 29-12-2018 06:14PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So basically, "won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!" is it?

Again...

- we already give several hundred million Euro per year in foreign aid. We continued to do so during an extremely damaging recession I might add. Every taxpayer in this country has done their part for the children you refer to

- we have plenty of children and families here now who have been and continue to be victims of poverty, homelessness, poor education, witnessed or suffered domestic violence, and other such things no child should have to go through. Those are our priorities in my view and where our efforts and resources should be focused. Once we tackle those issues, we can start worrying about the problems in countries thousands of miles away that we have no legal or moral obligation to

- seeing as you missed it, despite the above, I've already said that we should accept genuine refugees on a temporary basis and within realistic limits for the assistance we can offer given the domestic issues above. This however does not equate to permanent resettlement and financial support. Should they wish to apply for those things, there are ways to do that legitimately and they can have their claim considered accordingly

Emotional hand-wringing carries very little weight with me. My primary concern is for the citizens (native and legitimate) of this country. There is only so much help to go around, and we have plenty of problems here that we're not dealing with.

and we wouldn't deal with them even if we didn't take in any refugees, or send any foreign aid. so therefore foreign countries, foreign aid, and refugees and our contribution to such, are ultimately separate issues to our problems, for which we can but choose not to deal with regardless, but could as well as contributing to helping those effected by issues abroad.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 06:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

and we wouldn't deal with them even if we didn't take in any refugees, or send any foreign aid. so therefore foreign countries, foreign aid, and refugees and our contribution to such, are ultimately separate issues to our problems, for which we can but choose not to deal with regardless, but could as well as contributing to helping those effected by issues abroad.

Jesus it's like reading the garbage churned out from a 2 euro shop AI prototype.

Billy86 · 29-12-2018 06:25PM

McGiver wrote: »

MontgomeryClift wrote:

Intersting fact: The average IQ in Syria is 83.

Source please. A peer reviewed study if possible. Thank you.

I googled and got this, which has ireland at an average of 92 - https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

Kazakhstan are ahead of us, so anyone who thinks we need less Syrians bringing it down on the basis of the link above would also think we need more people from Kazakhstan to come over to bring it up.

It's not as if people would try to hide behind this as an excuse for something else, only to act hypocritically and shift the goalposts in the inverse (Kazakhstan) scenario, right? Right?

Billy86 · 29-12-2018 06:37PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

golondrinas wrote: »

There's a woman in direct provision for years who is the darling of the media. Recently she featured in a story about her course at a well known cookery school . She is from Malawi-- one of the safest countries in Africa.

I've seen her before, didn't bother reading into how safe Malawi is until you pointed it out.

The First thing that pops up when you ask Google "Is Malawi safe?"

"Lonely planet ranked Malawi the 5th best country to visit in 2014 not just in Africa but in the whole world. ... Malawi is one of the safest places in the world." :pac:

That article also lists South Africa and Zimbabwe in the top 10........

I'm not sure what either of your points are, though? People have sought refuge out of just about every single country in the world, right down to Luxembourg, Andorra, Norway and indeed Ireland. A country doesn't need to be war torn for the odd person to be under a very real threat of death if they don't get out of there asap.

22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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