Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

jippo nolan · 19-12-2018 06:12PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.independent.ie/woman/my-daughter-gets-embarrassed-when-people-mistake-me-for-kate--29343104.html

Sweet livin,Devine Jebus!

ButtersSuki · 19-12-2018 06:13PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Rude, neglecting established procedure, to use someone's name.

Right.

Like I said this is PC gone mad stuff. I didn't expect it from the Ciara haters on here.

This can't always be a defence when she does something wrong.

I'm not going to debate this any further with you as you've clearly made your mind up on it. Call me a hater if you like but I'd say this were in any presenter male, female, or gender fluid.

hotmail.com · 19-12-2018 06:14PM

ButtersSuki wrote:

I'm not going to debate this any further with you as you've clearly made your mind up on it. Call me a hater if you like but I'd say this were in any presenter male, female, or gender fluid.

Which gender fluid presenter! Is there one?

ButtersSuki · 19-12-2018 06:17PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Which gender fluid presenter! Is there one?

Yes. In RTÉ. Johnathan Clynch.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/support-for-gender-fluid-rt-presenter-clynch-31523899.html

And my point being I'd criticise anyone who refuses to use the correct protocol in such an interview. This is not an attack on Kelly because of her sex or Political Correctness gone mad as you tried to describe it as.

I'm finished with this now. Bye!

hotmail.com · 19-12-2018 06:20PM

ButtersSuki wrote:

Yes. In RTÃ‰. Johnathan Clynch.

Oh man, you must be in the .1 % of the population that knew this.

ButtersSuki · 19-12-2018 06:56PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh man, you must be in the .1 % of the population that knew this.

Not at all, it was quite a big story at the time. There's more than one thread about it on boards and it received widespread media coverage across all platforms.

19-12-2018 06:56PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

This can't always be a defence when she does something wrong.

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You are presenting the notion that she did something wrong as a fact, but it's just an opinion - your opinion. One that not everybody shares. I didn't hear the interview, but I presume he would have been introduced as The Minister for Health, after that I couldn't care less what he was called and I would be willing to bet - neither could most people.

ButtersSuki · 19-12-2018 06:59PM

jippo nolan wrote: »

Sweet livin,Devine Jebus!

My 2nd favourite part is where she says something along the lines of "I don't want to be one of those people who says they're working on a project without giving any details away" then a few lines later says "I'm working on some stuff in the UK right now that I can't talk about".

I haven't looked at it again to check the exact quote so that may be incorrect but it's something like that.

ButtersSuki · 19-12-2018 07:08PM

Ahwell wrote: »

You are presenting the notion that she did something wrong as a fact, but it's just an opinion - your opinion. One that not everybody shares. I didn't hear the interview, but I presume he would have been introduced as The Minister for Health, after that I couldn't care less what he was called and I would be willing to bet - neither could most people.

It is a fact that there's a protocol in place for interviewing Ministers. How is this even a debate? If you don't agree with that, that's an opinion - but it's not a fact.

Have to dash, won't be online for a while. Bye.

19-12-2018 07:16PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It is a fact that there's a protocol in place for interviewing Ministers..

Is this "protocol" written done anywhere? Are there any BAI rules on the matter?

Sleeper12 · 19-12-2018 07:48PM

hotmail.com wrote:

Using the titles just seems like PC gone mad. You can't even use someone's name now without criticism.

Calling the guest by their title rather than their name shows respect for the office. You can hate the person yet show respect for the office. This is a worldwide tradition. All reporters in the states address the president as Mr President. I heard Joe Duffy today refer to a retired judge as "judge Smith" or whatever his surname is.

RTE outshines all other stations because their staff are properly trained. There is nothing PC gone mad about showing respect to the office or a minister, judge etc. I have zero respect for most of our current ministers but if I ever met any of them I'd address them as minister because I respect the office they hold. Most people address their doctor as Doctor.

19-12-2018 08:01PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I respect the office they hold. Most people address their doctor as Doctor.

People of my parents generation do, certainly. Yes, doctor. No, doctor...etc. I don't and I'm not sure most people do these days. I just don't see the need for that kind of deference.

Del.Monte · 19-12-2018 08:22PM

I particularly like the bit in the Indo article where Lorraine Keane "shot to fame as the voice of AA Roadwatch" .. Lol

Dr_serious2 · 19-12-2018 09:13PM

In the unlikely event that I come across a minister worthy of the title I will gladly refer to them as such. If you think that people liks Harris, Zappone and Ross deserve such fawning grandiose monikers then fire away.

Howitzer the 5th · 19-12-2018 10:37PM

Ahwell wrote: »

People of my parents generation do, certainly. Yes, doctor. No, doctor...etc. I don't and I'm not sure most people do these days. I just don't see the need for that kind of deference.

Just for a moment try and use what limited brain power you clearly have to consider what a doctor has to do and what sacrifices they have made to reach a point where they can possibly alleviate the misery of others by utilising the extraordinary high level skills they posess by dint of their extensive study and tremendous minds. You represent perfectly the degeneration of society with your disgusting attitude.

hotmail.com · 19-12-2018 11:26PM

Howitzer the 5th wrote:

Just for a moment try and use what limited brain power you clearly have to consider what a doctor has to do and what sacrifices they have made to reach a point where they can possibly alleviate the misery of others by utilising the extraordinary high level skills they posess by dint of their extensive study and tremendous minds. You represent perfectly the degeneration of society with your disgusting attitude.

Calm down. Calling someone by their first name instead of a title isn't a big deal! I get called by my first name and I'm sure you do too. Nothing wrong with it.

Sleeper12 · 19-12-2018 11:57PM

I'd love to see you call a judge by his or her first name in court. You can tell the them that there is nothing wrong with it from your cell.

20-12-2018 12:06AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'd love to see you call a judge by his or her first name in court. You can tell the them that there is nothing wrong with it from your cell.

That's hardly comparable to a radio studio or a doctors surgery.

Sleeper12 · 20-12-2018 12:22AM

Ahwell wrote:

That's hardly comparable to a radio studio or a doctors surgery.

This is what he said. No mention of doctors here. Just a sweeping statement that using a first name is no big deal.

hotmail.com wrote:

Calm down. Calling someone by their first name instead of a title isn't a big deal! I get called by my first name and I'm sure you do too. Nothing wrong with it.

In an earlier post hotmail.com says that its pc correctness gone mad. This might be a correct statement if it was a new thing someone wants to bring in but it is a strange statement to make when respect for an office has been the norm for centuries.

Showing respect and basic manners isn't a new thing. What's so different in showing respect for a ministers office, president office or a judge? I've never been a fan of Michael D but if I met him as president I wouldn't call him by his first name. I respect the office and I respect the people who have died so we can have our own president and ministers too much to cheapen the office in such a way.

Tell me how · 20-12-2018 12:30AM

buckfasterer wrote: »

It's all very fake nonsense about Friday having "No script or running order". What station in their right mind would actually allow that? And in the ads they are asking for suggestions for stuff to talk about, will that not give them a script?

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is what he said. No mention of doctors here. Just a sweeping statement that using a first name is no big deal.

In an earlier post hotmail.com says that its pc correctness gone mad. This might be a correct statement if it was a new thing someone wants to bring in but it is a strange statement to make when respect for an office has been the norm for centuries.

Showing respect and basic manners isn't a new thing. What's so different in showing respect for a ministers office, president office or a judge? I've never been a fan of Michael D but if I met him as president I wouldn't call him by his first name. I respect the office and I respect the people who have died so we can have our own president and ministers too much to cheapen the office in such a way.

Good manners are to be encouraged.

But, I think, Ministers doing media briefings (such as appearing on a radio show) is less formal to the business of s court in session.

Introducing a minister with due respect is essential, and I too would aim to refer them as such when engaging in public (again, such as on a radio show) but I wouldn't judge someone too harshly if they didn't persist with it.

I suspect some Ministers might actually prefer the less formal interaction as they may feel it endears them to people more.

I know from someone who has worked with various ministers, and there is no hard and fast rule on how to speak to them.

20-12-2018 12:31AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This is what he said. No mention of doctors here. Just a sweeping statement that using a first name is no big deal.

He is replying to a post railing against doctors not being referred to by their title. The "sweeping statement", as you called it, wasn't made in isolation. And it was you who made the doctor comparison in the first place.

milhous · 20-12-2018 12:39AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Calm down. Calling someone by their first name instead of a title isn't a big deal! I get called by my first name and I'm sure you do too. Nothing wrong with it.

To be fair, I think a fair point has been made. It's not PC gone mad. I wouldn't call my doctor by their first name. If it was pc gone mad it would be a new thing but people have always done it. It seems like a new thing were relatively young people call them by their first name.

Sleeper12 · 20-12-2018 12:40AM

Ahwell wrote:

He is replying to a post railing against Doctors not being referred to by their title. The "sweeping statement", as you called it, wasn't made in isolation.

It was a sweeping statement though.

Look I get that the day of calling your bank manager Mr are long gone. I'm more comfortable with people using my name to Mr but ministers, judges, president etc should be treated with respect. Not necessarily the individuals but the office itself. People died so we would have these offices. Calling a minister by their first name cheapens the office itself & that's not a good thing.

20-12-2018 12:46AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It was a sweeping statement though.

Look I get that the day of calling your bank manager Mr are long gone. I'm more comfortable with people using my name to Mr but ministers, judges, president etc should be treated with respect. Not necessarily the individuals but the office itself. People died so we would have these offices. Calling a minister by their first name cheapens the office itself & that's not a good thing.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. As long as he was introduced by his title at the start of the interview, I really have no issue with his first name being used subsequently. I don't see it as an affront to his office.

The Bishop Basher · 20-12-2018 12:50AM

I’ve always felt a desire to be called by a title Is a sign of insecurity in a person..

My experience of those that do would back this up.

It’s just my own observation. It’s neither right nor wrong.

Sleeper12 · 20-12-2018 02:17AM

Ahwell wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree then. As long as he was introduced by his title at the start of the interview, I really have no issue with his first name being used subsequently. I don't see it as an affront to his office.

All my life I've listened to people bringing up 1916. Divorce, abortion, legalising homosexuality, same sex marriage, property tax, water meters etc. They'd turn in their grave. That's not what they fought for. In reality the brave men & women of 1916 and the war of independence didn't fight for any of the above and I doubt any of it crossed their minds. What they did fight & die for was independence and self governance. They fought for our own ministries, judges and president. To disrespect these offices is also to disrespect the people who fought for them.

It's not good enough to introduce a guest as the minister & then continue using his/her first name. There are no informal interviews of a minister. A minister is a minister 24/7. It shows inexperience calling the minister be their name. It shows the huge gulf between how RTE properly train their presenters and other stations just paying someone who is a popular personality. It was this lack of training that brought George down and has a lawsuit against Ciara and Newstalk.

Tubridy has politicians on the late late several times a year. Pat Kenny has them weekly as does Sean O Rourke. It never sounds odd when they address them as minister. It's their title and is how they are supposed to be addressed. It is like this worldwide.

Sleeper12 · 20-12-2018 02:31AM

Rennaws wrote:

Iâ€™ve always felt a desire to be called by a title Is a sign of insecurity in a person..

It's not the minister demanding to be addressed by their title. I've never heard a minister pull up an interviewer for calling them by the name.

You have to take the person out of it. It's the office they hold that deserves your respect not the minister himself /herself. I don't have time for most of our ministers but I wouldn't disrespect the office just because there is muppet holding said office at that particular moment in time.

The likes of Newstalk are dumbing down political office here in Ireland. I'd bet any money Ciara would remember to call Trump Mr President each time she addressed him if she ever interviewed him.

20-12-2018 02:39AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

All my life I've listened to people bringing up 1916. Divorce, abortion, legalising homosexuality, same sex marriage, property tax, water meters etc. They'd turn in their grave. That's not what they fought for. In reality the brave men & women of 1916 and the war of independence didn't fight for any of the above and I doubt any of it crossed their minds. What they did fight & die for was independence and self governance. They fought for our own ministries, judges and president. To disrespect these offices is also to disrespect the people who fought for them.

It's not good enough to introduce a guest as the minister & then continue using his/her first name. There are no informal interviews of a minister. A minister is a minister 24/7. It shows inexperience calling the minister be their name. It shows the huge gulf between how RTE properly train their presenters and other stations just paying someone who is a popular personality. It was this lack of training that brought George down and has a lawsuit against Ciara and Newstalk.

Tubridy has politicians on the late late several times a year. Pat Kenny has them weekly as does Sean O Rourke. It never sounds odd when they address them as minister. It's their title and is how they are supposed to be addressed. It is like this worldwide.

I have two sets of War Of Independence medals sitting in a drawer. Both given to relatives of mine. I don't equate referring to a minister by his /her first name as disrespectful to them or the office of the minister. You do, fine. Going around in circles isn't going to change either of our minds.

Sleeper12 · 20-12-2018 07:18AM

Ahwell wrote:

I have two sets of War Of Independence medals sitting in a drawer. Both given to relatives of mine. I don't equate referring to a minister by his /her first name as disrespectful to them or the office of the minister. You do, fine. Going around in circles isn't going to change either of our minds.

Fortunately RTE disagrees with you. There is a reason why you it gets two to three times the listenership to that of Newstalk.

Our family medals aren't hidden in a drawer. They are proudly on display.

Each to their own

Dr_serious2 · 20-12-2018 12:09PM

If you are British it is protocol and tradition to call people like Alan Sugar 'Lord Sugar.'

Are British people who don't dp this a disgrace to their country? I don't think so and I know I wouldn't afford him this moronic title.

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