Shane Ross new speeding bill approved

Pretzeluck · 19-12-2018 05:39PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

what if you forget or misplace your wallet?

very easy to do for anybody

Then you should be executed

KrustyUCC · 19-12-2018 05:40PM

Sounds fair lol

Amprodude · 19-12-2018 05:44PM

kilns wrote: »

Honestly Irish people just love to moan, if you dont break the law then you have nothing to worry about..

Stfu I mean come on seriously.

kilns · 19-12-2018 05:44PM

mikhail wrote: »

I propose we ban people who use double punctuation or who drop apostrophes from posting here on boards. Obviously, you can't complain about that being unreasonable. I mean, if you don't break the rule, you'll have nothing to worry about.

Why bother having speed limits at all, the government are oppressing us with this need to make people drive at a reasonable speed and to save lives

Grayson · 19-12-2018 05:48PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Varadkar is a constituency TD of mine, I'll be going to see his flunkeys.

How the hell did a road safety authority, a garda traffic division and a govt dept end up sending a proposal to cabinet that contained fixed speeds over the limit rather than a percentage system??

In central Dublin, 30 km/h over the limit = 100% over the limit and potentially lethal to any pedestrian or cyclist impacted by that vehicle. Yet on a quiet rural motorway, 30 km/h over the limit is 25% over and not that noticeable to passing traffic. Same penalty. Utter nonsense.

Not really. The speed limit isn't a target. You should always be under it. You're essentially arguing about how much you should be allowed break a law before being punished.

Amprodude · 19-12-2018 05:49PM

kilns wrote: »

Why bother having speed limits at all, the government are oppressing us with this need to make people drive at a reasonable speed and to save lives

More people die to suicide and depression every year in this country than speeding and the government are not addressing it at all. The speeding fines are easy money for the government.

Cienciano · 19-12-2018 05:50PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

what if you forget or misplace your wallet?

very easy to do for anybody

Jail, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I'm joking btw, but that's probably what some eejit will say.

My advice is to leave this thread before the cyclists arrive.

2smiggy · 19-12-2018 05:52PM

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. The speed limit isn't a target. You should always be under it. You're essentially arguing about how much you should be allowed break a law before being punished.

where does he say the speed limit is a target ?

rossie1977 · 19-12-2018 05:52PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Appropriate penalties to reflect the fact that excessive speed is the principal cause of 3% of accidents. :rolleyes:

??

Excessive speed is the cause of 1 in 3 accidents http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/Excessive-Speed-a-Factor-in-322-Road-Deaths-Between-2008-and-2012/

Most of the roads in Ireland outside the motorways/dual carriages are of poor quality and yet people continue to drive at excessive speeds on them. The speed limits on most roads in this country are far too high. 80 on a small bendy country road is crazy

Larbre34 · 19-12-2018 06:04PM

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. The speed limit isn't a target. You should always be under it. You're essentially arguing about how much you should be allowed break a law before being punished.

I talking about reason and discretion and public support for civil policing, the basis on which the An GS was established.

If I were satisfied that everyone that broke a speed limit would a) be punished and b) deserve to be punished in the way described by Ross' proposals, I'd get behind it, but I absolutely don't.

6 penalty points for being 30 ks over the limit irrespective of whether that limit is 30 or 120? Come off it, there is no proportionality or equity in that.

Kitty6277 · 19-12-2018 06:06PM

2 points for not having your license on you, what an absolute joke

Stovepipe · 19-12-2018 06:10PM

It wouldnt surprise me if it was been brought in to bring us in line with European systems; our driving license is now an electronic card and the gardai will be able to read it at the side of the road with a hand held scanner and any points or endorsements will be put on them electronically so any of the usual claims in court that "I didnt get the summons to me home address, Judge" will be blown away. The Gardai have had ANPR for years and registration and insurance data on every legal car on the road is in their hands. All they have to do is put a card reader in every squad car or motorbike and it will save a whole lot of wasted time in court, just like if you deal with European cops. Just like America, just like Australia.

yoke · 19-12-2018 06:16PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

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Excessive speed is the cause of 1 in 3 accidents http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/Excessive-Speed-a-Factor-in-322-Road-Deaths-Between-2008-and-2012/

That article mentions “excessive speed for the road and conditions”, which is completely different to “breaking the speed limit”.

Victor · 19-12-2018 06:22PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

what if you forget or misplace your wallet?

very easy to do for anybody

Sure. It happens to me about once every 5 years.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Varadkar is a constituency TD of mine, I'll be going to see his flunkeys.

How the hell did a road safety authority, a garda traffic division and a govt dept end up sending a proposal to cabinet that contained fixed speeds over the limit rather than a percentage system??

In central Dublin, 30 km/h over the limit = 100% over the limit and potentially lethal to any pedestrian or cyclist impacted by that vehicle. Yet on a quiet rural motorway, 30 km/h over the limit is 25% over and not that noticeable to passing traffic. Same penalty. Utter nonsense.

If it isn't noticeable, you might review your driving.

Driving at 150 km/h means your vehicle has 1.56 (144/225) times the energy of 120 km/h.

Speed (km/h) Energy relative to 10 km/h
10 1
20 4
30 9
40 16
50 25
60 36
70 49
80 64
90 81
100 100
110 121
120 144
130 169
140 196
150 225
160 256

Amprodude wrote: »

More people die to suicide and depression every year in this country than speeding and the government are not addressing it at all.

You're engaging in whataboutery, but have you seen the size of the health budget?

The speeding fines are easy money for the government.

Speeding fines cost most to implement than they bring in.

Alun · 19-12-2018 06:23PM

Remind me again of how many points you get for driving the wrong way down a motorway? Less than for doing 141km/h on an empty motorway going the right direction, anyway.

What nonsense. And penalty points for not having your driving licence on you? What a joke.

Melodeon · 19-12-2018 06:23PM

kneemos wrote: »

Forgetting your license is hardly a crime

Yes it is:
Road Traffic Act, 1994

KrustyUCC · 19-12-2018 06:25PM

Victor wrote: »

Sure. It happens to me about once every 5 years.

Ok so on that once in every five years you forget your wallet, you get pulled over, no licence, here's 2 penalty points, a fine and increased insurance costs

Not a good system for me

No need to remove a Garda's discretion to produce the licence at the Garda station

chopperbyrne · 19-12-2018 06:33PM

Melodeon wrote: »

Yes it is:
Road Traffic Act, 1994

Clearly says if you don't have it on you, you have to produce it at the Garda station within 10 days.

Squatter · 19-12-2018 06:35PM

Pretzeluck wrote: »

But does that really mean anything other than delaying the bill? I mean it seemed like everyone was outraged by the proposals but it passed anyway. Does Shane Ross have the power to single handedly introduce new bills?

The Cabinet were humouring the buffoon in order to ensure that he wouldn't walk out of government. The Oireachtas sub-committee will rip the hole of out of his latest bout of nonsense long before it comes to a Dáil vote.

Melodeon · 19-12-2018 06:38PM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Clearly says if you don't have it on you, you have to produce it at the Garda station within 10 days.

Section 40.—(1) (a) clearly states "if the person refuses or fails so to produce the licence there and then, he shall be guilty of an offence"

Subsequent sub-sections go on to detail the discretion a Garda "MAY" choose to exercise regarding production of a licence within 10 days.

TheRiverman · 19-12-2018 06:43PM

Shane Ross was on the RTE Radio News At 1 today.He was awful,totally out of depth as a Minister.

kneemos · 19-12-2018 06:50PM

Melodeon wrote: »

Section 40.—(1) (a) clearly states "if the person refuses or fails so to produce the licence there and then, he shall be guilty of an offence"

Subsequent sub-sections go on to detail the discretion a Garda "MAY" choose to exercise regarding production of a licence within 10 days.

A crime is not an offence.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-crime-and-offence

You just been pedanticated.

buried · 19-12-2018 06:53PM

I think its safe to say Little Lord MacF**khead doesn't really like Irish people that much. Genius move on the part of Fine Gael though to let this uppity demented hoor do whatever he wants in his ministerial position, everybody hates him now and people will really think twice before voting for him or any of his band of Independant TD eegits who just seem unable or unwilling to reign any of his ridiculous $hit in

Squatter · 19-12-2018 06:54PM

TheRiverman wrote: »

Shane Ross was on the RTE Radio News At 1 today.He was awful,totally out of depth as a Minister.

He'd be out of his depth in an infant's paddling pool!

Ross is a total windbag, with the brains of a vacuum cleaner - Ireland's very own yellow-pack Boris Johnson.

He makes the Healy-Raes look like Mensa members.

jmayo · 19-12-2018 06:55PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

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Excessive speed is the cause of 1 in 3 accidents http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/Excessive-Speed-a-Factor-in-322-Road-Deaths-Between-2008-and-2012/

Most of the roads in Ireland outside the motorways/dual carriages are of poor quality and yet people continue to drive at excessive speeds on them. The speed limits on most roads in this country are far too high. 80 on a small bendy country road is crazy

Isn't there an eviction, protest or something you should be at;)

This is looney tune legislation or proposed legislation.
And the gimps that are always shouting about speeding will be happy.

It is optics though because all of this legislation will save not a single life.

And it is either him being on a personal crusade or just want to be seen to do something.
The danger is that government will want a chunk of this to go through, because after all those lovely fines means more money into the coffers.

Anyone with a couple of brain cells that travels around this country could immediately see from the placement of speed traps that it aint about moderating people's driving, about getting people to slow down on dangerous roads, it is purely about making money and stats.

Odyssey 2005 · 19-12-2018 07:06PM

TheRiverman wrote: »

Shane Ross was on the RTE Radio News At 1 today.He was awful,totally out of depth as a Minister.

Yet,he only "regrets" Irish Ferries decision to stop using Roslare port !!
A§shóľé

Pretzeluck · 19-12-2018 07:31PM

Squatter wrote: »

The Cabinet were humouring the buffoon in order to ensure that he wouldn't walk out of government. The Oireachtas sub-committee will rip the hole of out of his latest bout of nonsense long before it comes to a Dáil vote.

If you say so, I'll be here to laugh when it passes with waving flags.

Pretzeluck · 19-12-2018 07:33PM

buried wrote: »

I think its safe to say Little Lord MacF**khead doesn't really like Irish people that much. Genius move on the part of Fine Gael though to let this uppity demented hoor do whatever he wants in his ministerial position, everybody hates him now and people will really think twice before voting for him or any of his band of Independant TD eegits who just seem unable or unwilling to reign any of his ridiculous $hit in

He'll probably be dead before then. He's 69 now and he's doing as much damage as possible before the end.

cnocbui · 19-12-2018 07:33PM

Victor wrote: »

Put it in your wallet like everyone else.

I would need to check that percentage, but excessive speed has a huge effect on the outcome of an incident.

A large number of collisions are preventable and are not accidents. 'Accident' suggests no responsibility at all.

The fatality rate for Ireland is about one death per 300 million km driven. Inattention is the number one cause of accidents and fatalities. Drink driving is a far greater cause of accidents as is tailgating.

I suspect that excessive speed as a principle cause of fatalities might be in the region of one per 6 - 8 billion km driven, or greater.

Speed is easy to police which is the only reason it gets 90% of the attention. It's gotten so the Police and politicians believe their own misinformation and hype. Ross is plain thick.

BrianBoru00 · 19-12-2018 11:35PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

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Excessive speed is the cause of 1 in 3 accidents http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/Excessive-Speed-a-Factor-in-322-Road-Deaths-Between-2008-and-2012/

Most of the roads in Ireland outside the motorways/dual carriages are of poor quality and yet people continue to drive at excessive speeds on them. The speed limits on most roads in this country are far too high. 80 on a small bendy country road is crazy

With all due respect, your post is typical of the hyperbolic statements we see - stating headlines as fact.

(And I'm not suggesting your one of the regular culprits )

Your link states that speed is a contributory factor.
So I've two issues with them
1. Those figures are got from An Garda Siochana and the cso.ie have an * beside any statistics coming from that source so they're unreliable at best.
2. a contributory factor: So where Car A is travelling on the N1 in a 100km zone at 120kmh and a drunk driver ploughs into the side of him because he came out of a side road without stopping. Drunkeness and speed are both seen as contributory factor but the drunkenness is obviously the cause as the drunk driver was unable to stop so the accident was going to happen at 100kph / 80kph / 40kph.

In addition and my biggest bugbear is that the penalties should be equal - a Businessman on €150k per year won't feel a €200 fine in the same way a shopworker on €25k will feel €40 - sort that gross inequality out firstly.

A lot of the speed issues could be solved if the Primary + Secondary roads were aligned better with and overtaking lane alternating every mile or so reducing tailgating and speed as impatient drivers stuck behind the 40kph middle of the road 'Sunday Drivers' will slow down safe in the knowledge that they can get back up to speed in a mile and lose only 20 seconds

Shane Ross new speeding bill approved

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