Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Econ__ · 19-12-2018 12:57PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I know one man who would disagree.

Its very simple. We were all told that Mourinhos out of date tactics and man management was the cause of serious under performance by a squad of highly talented footballers. He was the handbrake stopping them from displaying their true skills.

He is now gone, the handbrake has been released and regardless of who the new manager is we should now see an immediate increase in the quality of performance. I don't mean that we will win the title or CL, or dominate every game, but there will be an immediate improvement on the field as players are finally allowed to express themselves.

No ifs, no buts, no bullshit excuses, the bad man is gone and we should now be demanding the minimum expectation levels from a squad that cost half a billion euros.

I don't give a **** who the next manager is, the next 2 months is all on the players, no more excuses from neither them nor their mouthpieces.

This is the kind of tripe you end up coming out with when you take the decision to die on a hill for a failing manager.

VW 1 · 19-12-2018 01:12PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I know it's a blip and I know United can afford to pay higher wages to compensate players for taking the risk but I don't think it's silly to consider that a player might not want to take a risk of it happening again and potentially go without European football for two years.

I don't think Chelsea signed top players that year but I could be mixing up the years.

Big Sam, Pardew, Pulis, etc should have been considered before Ole as they are all quite good at steadying the ship. I wouldn't have given it to any of them but someone similar who knows the league and can get European football for next season.

If it was me I probably would have considered Wenger for the 6 months. His break from Arsenal should have helped him refocus now.

For the next manager has anyone considered AVB?

Edit: Pedro and Begovic were there big signings the summer after Jose left.

They went from 10th to win the thing the next year. It's amazing what can happen when you remove the root cause of the toxic atmosphere from the place.

I am in no way suggesting I think we will do the same, the PL and Liverpool and City are at a different level altogether now, but I don't think that it is out of question that with a new manager and 2-4 astute signings that we will be well in the race for the top 4. In fact I would expect that.

Just look at the difference Emery has made in coming in with a fresh attitude, new tactics and a couple of signings to add to a decent squad.

MaceFace wrote: »

LOL. Lets see - at the time one was playing in one of the top 4 leagues in the world while the other is playing in Norway.
One had oodles of money to spend on players and staff and the other didn't.
Norway are according to the UEFA coefficients the 14th best league in Europe, below among others Cyprus, Austria, and Serbia.

Ignore his playing career and the fact that he played for Utd, and he is a nobody in football. If Utd had appointed the manager of the Cypriot champions or even the Rosenberg manager, there would be serious questions asked.

The club is doing the same thing as before - picking a guy popular with fans to try and appease them and ignoring the football aspect. And the problem is, fans fall for it. The players won't give two hoots what he done at Utd in the past as a player. If he comes in with all the nonsense about playing for the badge and history and running through brick walls - the players will just laugh at that. To most of them, it is a job.

I'd also add that thinks a DOF will solve problems - just remember Damien Camolli.

One is one of the bottom teams in the PL, that is only in it's second year in that league since the 80s. They are a championship team, Molde have competed in the Europa League and won the group stage. Give over with trying to say Cardiff are some kind of elite top team in comparison to Molde.

The club are picking an option that will instill a happy atmosphere on the training ground and pick up morale, who will play football in the traditions of the club, while the board will work in the background to build the platform for sustained success in the longer term. Nobody is expecting miracles.

yabadabado · 19-12-2018 01:14PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I seriously think you just struggle with simple reading comprehension.

Read the post properly before replying.

I could read that post a 1000 times and it's still obvious what you were trying to do.

Have a thanks ,you earned it.

TitianGerm · 19-12-2018 01:19PM

yabadabado wrote: »

I could read that post a 1000 times and it's still obvious what you were trying to do.

Have a thanks ,you earned it.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

I'm trying to have a discussion as I've proved quite capable of doing in here over the last 4 or 5 years without once trying to wind anyone up.

I don't appreciate you trying to make out I'm doing anything else.

fatherted1969 · 19-12-2018 01:21PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

yabadabado wrote: »

Big Sam ,Pulis .

Hahahaha ,nice try.

I seriously think you just struggle with simple reading comprehension.

Read the post properly before replying.

Mentioning those names should nearly be a reportable offence. Obviously in to try and wind up people then head back to your mates looking for high fives.

TitianGerm · 19-12-2018 01:28PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Mentioning those names should nearly be a reportable offence. Obviously in to try and wind up people then head back to your mates looking for high fives.

Fair enough then lads if that's what you all think that's me done posting in here. People like Ted and Yaba are what's wrong with the forum.

yabadabado · 19-12-2018 01:31PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

I'm trying to have a discussion as I've proved quite capable of doing in here over the last 4 or 5 years without once trying to wind anyone up.

I don't appreciate you trying to make out I'm doing anything else.

Hit the report button if you're aren't happy with a post.Thats what it's for .

pjohnson · 19-12-2018 01:33PM

Econ__ wrote: »

This is the kind of tripe you end up coming out with when you take the decision to die on a hill for a failing manager.

Interesting interpretation.

keane2097 · 19-12-2018 01:37PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

He is now gone, the handbrake has been released and regardless of who the new manager is we should now see an immediate increase in the quality of performance. I don't mean that we will win the title or CL, or dominate every game, but there will be an immediate improvement on the field as players are finally allowed to express themselves.

In all fairness anyone could see this is the sort of logic a child would come out with.

If the tactics have been terrible, and the training has been based around ingraining the terrible tactics for a lengthy period of time then just saying 'abandon the old tactics and use these new tactics instead' will probably not have an immediate effect.

If you have been training the centre half for twelve months to play diagonal balls forward from the back, someone else coming along and telling him to build out from the back is not going to change his trained instincts next week or the week after.

If your attackers have been drilled in taking up certain positions and making particular types of runs for twelve months, someone else coming along and telling them to take up different positions and make different runs is not going to change their trained instincts in a couple of weeks.

You would have to be a serious fool to expect to see instant reversals of trained behaviours and an immediate improvement based on abandoning them. Like, what do you think training is actually for?

Very stupid or very disingenuous posting on your part.

fatherted1969 · 19-12-2018 01:38PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Mentioning those names should nearly be a reportable offence. Obviously in to try and wind up people then head back to your mates looking for high fives.

Fair enough then lads if that's what you all think that's me done posting in here. People like Ted and Yaba are what's wrong with the forum.

Last time I was in the Liverpool thread I was reported and carded for misspelling Benitez as Bemitez . Don't let the door hit ye on the way out

Adamocovic · 19-12-2018 01:40PM

ericzeking wrote: »

I think SAF is behind the Solskjaer...I wouldn't be surprised if Solskjaer was front of house but SAF was making a lot of decisions in the background, he's definitely gonna be a major sounding board, what with Phelen involved too.

Fergie is back lads...Choo Choo

Solskjaer a couple of years ago talked about how Fergie taught him everything in management and had been extrememly helpful to him with guidance.

So no doubt Fergie will be in touch with him quite a bit.

colster · 19-12-2018 01:43PM

Could Solskjaer be United's Di Matteo?

brinty · 19-12-2018 01:44PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Last time I was in the Liverpool thread I was reported and carded for misspelling Benitez as Bemitez . Don't let the door hit ye on the way out

Its a lawless place over there and you can get away with anything and everything so long as you know the "right people". Mr Germ is in the "club"

brinty · 19-12-2018 01:44PM

colster wrote: »

Could Solskjaer be United's Di Matteo?

And Solskjaer has won it.....

brinty · 19-12-2018 01:46PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Fair enough then lads if that's what you all think that's me done posting in here. People like Ted and Yaba are what's wrong with the forum.

Agh come back Mr Germ, there's no need to get emotional about things

Cantona's Collars · 19-12-2018 01:46PM

colster wrote: »

Could Solskjaer be United's Di Matteo?

He's already on par with Klopp for trophy wins as manager in the EPL.

The_Kew_Tour · 19-12-2018 01:46PM

colster wrote: »

Could Solskjaer be United's Di Matteo?

I will take that.

yourdeadwright · 19-12-2018 01:54PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I will take that.

An Ole managed side got beat by Glenavon F.C. this season so don't hold your breath ,

grames_bond · 19-12-2018 01:56PM

Reporter : “You played in title-winning teams at Manchester United. Would you assess Liverpool as a potential title winner this season?”

Solskjaer : “Couldn’t care less.”

:pac: :pac: Love it! Correct way to answer that question!

xtal191 · 19-12-2018 01:58PM

brinty wrote: »

And Solskjaer has won it.....

100% we're gonna win the treble now

yourdeadwright · 19-12-2018 01:59PM

grames_bond wrote: »

Reporter : “You played in title-winning teams at Manchester United. Would you assess Liverpool as a potential title winner this season?”

Solskjaer : “Couldn’t care less.”

:pac: :pac: Love it! Correct way to answer that question!

He's right , He much more to worry about considering his team are closer to the relegation zone than Liverpool

fatherted1969 · 19-12-2018 01:59PM

I don't care where the interim manager comes from, as long as he steadies the ship which I think OGS and Phelan will a lot more than Mourinho would have done. He'd made too many enemies within the squad and it was only going one way after that. The appointment will buy him time as a former player and the fans should be fully behind it.

It gives the club until the summer the get the structures behind the scenes on a stronger footing. A director of football is priority. I think they have someone lined up as manager but he won't be coming until the summer.

I was at the Young Boys match 2 weeks ago and there seemed to be a general apathy in the stands to the football on show. Stadium was starting to empty coming up to the 90 mins. Couldn't believe in a game where a win would take us into the last 16 that people were leaving the ground. Delighted he's gone, could never stand him at Chelsea. Was even worse at Utd, you can't slate players in the press and expect them to perform for you on the Saturday. That doesn't work in any job never mind a football club. Stone age management tactics to try and provoke a response.

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 01:59PM

keane2097 wrote: »

In all fairness anyone could see this is the sort of logic a child would come out with.

If the tactics have been terrible, and the training has been based around ingraining the terrible tactics for a lengthy period of time then just saying 'abandon the old tactics and use these new tactics instead' will probably not have an immediate effect.

If you have been training the centre half for twelve months to play diagonal balls forward from the back, someone else coming along and telling him to build out from the back is not going to change his trained instincts next week or the week after.

If your attackers have been drilled in taking up certain positions and making particular types of runs for twelve months, someone else coming along and telling them to take up different positions and make different runs is not going to change their trained instincts in a couple of weeks.

You would have to be a serious fool to expect to see instant reversals of trained behaviours and an immediate improvement based on abandoning them. Like, what do you think training is actually for?

Very stupid or very disingenuous posting on your part.

The only thing I disagree with here is the idea that coaching is so indelibly marked into players that it takes a lot to change. Especially if the players went bought in or performing under that style. These guys have spent years of their lives being coached through different systems and need to quickly adapt.

Football is not like rugby where positioning and systems at all times are key to a win. It is not unrealistic to suggest that the next while will see them playing a more natural style with less emphasis on systems and tactics.

Lets hope they learn how to control the ball and move it forward for a start and play a bit more on instinct.

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 02:31PM

Fred and Bailly are two players I am very interested to see over the next while. Seemed like they were already done under Jose but have to think Ole will work with a fresh slate.

Really hope Dalot keeps RB over Valencia though.

Would like to see us try stick with a back 4 of Shaw, lindelof, Bailly and Dalot.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 19-12-2018 02:52PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Fred and Bailly are two players I am very interested to see over the next while. Seemed like they were already done under Jose but have to think Ole will work with a fresh slate.

Really hope Dalot keeps RB over Valencia though.

Would like to see us try stick with a back 4 of Shaw, lindelof, Bailly and Dalot.

A settled back 4 or at least try to get one if injuries allow. Also Mike Phelan back is hugely underestimated.

VW 1 · 19-12-2018 02:53PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

An Ole managed side got beat by Glenavon F.C. this season so don't hold your breath ,

Lost the away game 2-1 but won the tie and progressed..

Do you have an agenda with that post or is there a particular point you were trying to make there?

BenK · 19-12-2018 02:53PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Fred and Bailly are two players I am very interested to see over the next while. Seemed like they were already done under Jose but have to think Ole will work with a fresh slate.

Really hope Dalot keeps RB over Valencia though.

Would like to see us try stick with a back 4 of Shaw, lindelof, Bailly and Dalot.

Yeah I think there is a lot of potential in that back 4 if they get a fair crack at it. It will at least give a better idea of where those players are really at.

It can't be easy trying to establish yourself as a young player when you're in and out of the team for seemingly arbitrary reasons.

VW 1 · 19-12-2018 02:55PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He's right , He much more to worry about considering his team are closer to the relegation zone than Liverpool

It's also a question he was asked while manager of Cardiff nearly 5 years ago, not really relevant to today.

bangkok · 19-12-2018 02:55PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

A settled back 4 or at least try to get one if injuries allow. Also Mike Phelan back is hugely underestimated.

Feel good factor be back anyway

brinty · 19-12-2018 02:57PM

Hear Ole is a huge fan of Fellaini and his attitude and will start him at the weekend. Pogba ain't in his plans at the moment

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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