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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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    #2582
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    So. is u British or Irish?

    I'm Irish-Ghanaian.


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    #2583
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    "Mr McGann house where he lived with his brother and sister" https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/roscommon-eviction-kbc-seeking-debt-repayment-since-2009-1.3736042 Anthony McGann lived in that house?


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    #2584
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I never said that. What if they just don't give a rats about politics or religion but happen to be British. Same would go for someone who is Irish. Are they automatically Republicans? Can't they just be Irish or British?

    I agree of course you can have Irish Unionists & British Republicans, I Know there is a Republican party in actual Britain that wants rid of the monarchy, but if your born in Ireland you are Irish, full stop.

    Carson was a Unionist but he knew he was Irish. Ireland was Britain's firts colony, it wasn't until 1801 that the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" existed. See the way it is called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" and not the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Little Britain".


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    #2585
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Where is this thread going????


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    #2586
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Where is this thread going????

    Back to the high court before Christmas I'd reckon :-)


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    #2587
    aido79
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 5,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭aido79


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Where is this thread going????

    It started about a farmer and his siblings being evicted due to a high court order (or two) for not liking the idea of paying his debts.
    What this thread is about now and where it is going is anyone's guess...


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    #2588
    CB19Kevo
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    I have to say i find the whole thing hard to understand,Not the eviction or the retaliation as such but the response on social media.
    It seems like many actually believe that if you refuse to pay back your debt that you can continue on without consequences. Are people actually insane or whats going on.
    Sympathy is all well and good but facts have been laid out about this case and its clear from what i have seen that the only victims are the security workers who were assaulted and the dogs that were killed.

    Where is self responsibility in all this?


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    #2589
    aido79
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 5,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭aido79


    CB19Kevo wrote: »
    I have to say i find the whole thing hard to understand,Not the eviction or the retaliation as such but the response on social media.
    It seems like many actually believe that if you refuse to pay back your debt that you can continue on without consequences. Are people actually insane or whats going on.
    Sympathy is all well and good but facts have been laid out about this case and its clear from what i have seen that the only victims are the security workers who were assaulted and the dogs that were killed.

    Where is self responsibility in all this?

    Taxpayers bailed out the banks something something something.
    Facts are irrelevant/too hard to understand for most people on social media these days.
    Apparently the security workers( including the dogs) were loyalist terrorists (who are being likened to Cromwell) who are part of some sort of land grab..

    Self responsibility doesn't come into it. The banks gave the loans. It's irrelevant that people need to adhere to conditions of any contract or mortgage that they freely signed after being informed of any consequences of non payment.

    I really worry about the direction Ireland is heading in.


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    #2590
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    CB19Kevo wrote: »
    I have to say i find the whole thing hard to understand,Not the eviction or the retaliation as such but the response on social media.
    It seems like many actually believe that if you refuse to pay back your debt that you can continue on without consequences. Are people actually insane or whats going on.
    Sympathy is all well and good but facts have been laid out about this case and its clear from what i have seen that the only victims are the security workers who were assaulted and the dogs that were killed.

    Where is self responsibility in all this?

    was there another dog killed as well? i thought it was just 1.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2591
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Where is this thread going????

    East Germany in 1983! Good old socialism!


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    #2592
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Let's go lads!?!? https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/manhunt-underway-thug-who-stabbed-13752620


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    #2593
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    CB19Kevo wrote: »
    I have to say i find the whole thing hard to understand,Not the eviction or the retaliation as such but the response on social media.
    It seems like many actually believe that if you refuse to pay back your debt that you can continue on without consequences. Are people actually insane or whats going on.
    Sympathy is all well and good but facts have been laid out about this case and its clear from what i have seen that the only victims are the security workers who were assaulted and the dogs that were killed.

    Where is self responsibility in all this?

    The security workers are the victims? They assaulted the retired guard. They got what they were looking for. Back to east Belfast with their tail between their legs...and take their Belgian bank with them


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    #2594
    Sycamore Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Sycamore Tree


    simongurnick wrote: »
    The security workers are the victims? They assaulted the retired guard. They got what they were looking for. Back to east Belfast with their tail between their legs...and take their Belgian bank with them

    Does the fact that he is a retired guard make it worse somehow? Martin Callinan is a retired guard and should be locked up.

    Should they pay Revenue or are the taxpayers victims?


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    #2595
    TAFKAlawhec
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    As someone born, grew up and living in Northern Ireland, I'm intrigued by this discussion of what one of these security guards supposedly is simply because he said he was British.

    Unless there is some sort of alternative reality in parts of the south, up here anyone whom is regarded as a "loyalist", self described or otherwise, is someone whom either is involved with, or actively supports, or is at least suspected of giving covert or clandestine support to, a paramilitary group or groups of that seek to maintain the union of Northern Ireland within the UK. So that includes the UDA, UVF and other smaller groups past or present e.g. Red Hand Commandos, LVF etc.

    Simply claiming someone speaking with a recognisable NI accent whom identifies as British is in no way proof that they're a loyalist. The most convincing proof of such is in the above paragraph. Most unionists, or at least those that I know of, would certainly not identify themselves as loyalists. Some would regard it as an insult. To best put it, not all unionists are loyalists, but all loyalists are unionists. It's also not something that works the same in reverse as few Nationalists would also openly regard themselves as Republicans and vice versa. Religion is also not a firm indicator either of nationality identity - some Protestants** would regard themselves as being Republican or Nationalist, a significant amount of Catholics would be Unionist supporters (especially around East Antrim and North Down), and of course others like Agnostics, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, Mormons etc. can fall into either bracket, or like many Prods or Tagis themselves either identify as both and/or don't really get hung up about it.

    I don't know if the person in question is a loyalist, but the video evidence does not give proof either way.



    ** Just to note, there are numerous Protestant Unionists (or at least come from such backgrounds/communities) whom don't have a big problem with being identified as Irish - just not really at home but outside Ireland & UK they're comfortable enough especially if they're travelling on an Irish passport. They just don't see their Irish identity as being in the same vein as those whom play rebel songs on their car stereos with the windows down and the volume cranked to 11.


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    #2596
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Doherty sounds like the unwanted illegitimate offspring of Ian Paisley and some catholic nun

    No no no no


    .


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    #2597
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    end of the road wrote: »
    was there another dog killed as well? i thought it was just 1.
    It's been a bad few weeks for dogs or maybe the Strokestown dog is the one allegedly shot and disappeared from Longford.
    Can we use the word "disappeared" or do our Shinners find it offensive and a risk to the Peace Process?


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    #2598
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,320 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    simongurnick wrote: »
    The security workers are the victims? They assaulted the retired guard. They got what they were looking for. Back to east Belfast with their tail between their legs...and take their Belgian bank with them

    I'm a legitimate eviction where all options are exhausted and legal remedies applied, how does the bank get the property back?

    Can people never be removed? Or should they have been removed with a little less force?

    The sectarian ****e is just being used to hijack the important part of this discussion.


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    #2599
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Doherty sounds like the unwanted illegitimate offspring of Ian Paisley and some catholic nun

    No no no no


    .

    wow.
    take off the FG hat.

    what Varadkar said in the Dail yesterday was a disgrace


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    #2600
    Suckler
    Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭Suckler


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    wow.
    take off the FG hat.

    what Varadkar said in the Dail yesterday was a disgrace

    wow.
    take off the SF hat.

    what Doherty said in the Dail yesterday was a disgrace


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    #2601
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Doherty sounds like the unwanted illegitimate offspring of Ian Paisley and some catholic nun

    No no no no


    .

    Meeeooow!
    quite funny actually


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    #2602
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,320 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I can't believe Doherty got up and ignored the actions of the baliclava mob attacking at 5am.

    I had higher hopes for him.

    This eviction has been hijacked by the Republican "movement"


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    #2603
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    wow.
    take off the FG hat.

    what Varadkar said in the Dail yesterday was a disgrace

    If that's what's coming out of there we should have done an exchange with the English years ago

    They could "hand over" two of the Six Counties and they could have Donegal


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    #2604
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I dont think the guy should have bought the land, it was a big mistake on his part.


    I think it was a tragedy that he was subsequently murdered and the man who did it was in the wrong but as you can see from the case he killed himself.


    What do you think of the case?

    I think a man murdered another & then killed himself. So, no sympathy for the murderer.
    As for the victim, they are a victim, full stop.


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    #2605
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    Sinn fein have played a blinder on this one. Instead of this being a simple case of repossession from a chancer who doesn't pay his debts, it's been turned into a sectarian issue. They are pushing the angle of loyalists coming down like the black and tans from 100 years ago and the idiots who use facebook to get their daily news updates have lapped it up.


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    #2606
    friendlyfun
    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Look I'm going to put this to rest once and for all considering the ambiguity of the situation.

    They were evicted by the gaunt cadaver of King Billy who rode into Roscommon on an emaciated horse shouting "No Surrender" in Dutch as the UVF flew past in a Lancaster bomber and proceeded to carpet bomb the tenants.

    Then the Amish Mafia showed up and liberated the tenants from their misery, shooting King Billy in his ****ing orange head with a pison dart arrow.

    The Amish Mafia lifted two farmers into their horse-drawn carriage where they galloped off into the distance with the music of Enio Morricone (For A Few Dollars More) playing subtly as the sun begins to set on the lush Roscommon meadows.


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    #2607
    Sycamore Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Sycamore Tree


    Doherty squirming on the radio this morning. This incident will make things awkward for SF.


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    #2608
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    Sinn fein have played a blinder on this one. Instead of this being a simple case of repossession from a chancer who doesn't pay his debts, it's been turned into a sectarian issue. They are pushing the angle of loyalists coming down like the black and tans from 100 years ago and the idiots who use facebook to get their daily news updates have lapped it up.

    Won’t take long for people to realise the full facts and make them look silly.

    Thought they want to move forward etc yet here they are ranting like it’s 1920.


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    #2609
    aido79
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 5,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭aido79


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    Sinn fein have played a blinder on this one. Instead of this being a simple case of repossession from a chancer who doesn't pay his debts, it's been turned into a sectarian issue. They are pushing the angle of loyalists coming down like the black and tans from 100 years ago and the idiots who use facebook to get their daily news updates have lapped it up.

    Luckily enough for the people who live in the real world they need to get at least 57 more TD's elected before they can get into government. They might get noisier on the sidelines but at least they'll never be on the pitch.


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    #2610
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,734 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    Sinn fein have played a blinder on this one. Instead of this being a simple case of repossession from a chancer who doesn't pay his debts, it's been turned into a sectarian issue. They are pushing the angle of loyalists coming down like the black and tans from 100 years ago and the idiots who use facebook to get their daily news updates have lapped it up.

    Luckily the majority of these people either don't vote or will somehow spoil it by writing no beside every non SF Candidate in permanent marker because Facebook told them that the "gubbermint" changes your vote......


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    #2611
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Attorney General’s Office warned the Government it could not prevent a likely repayment of almost €270 million owed to a group of junior bondholders in the failed lender Anglo Irish Bank.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/repayment-to-junior-anglo-bondholders-unpreventable-said-ag-1.3736069?mode=amp

    Evictions due to terrible lending practices are unavoidable however! Why were banks given a write down on their terrible lending but the borrowers weren't?


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