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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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    #2552
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    fryup wrote: »
    no he didn't, the other fella did the deed

    :confused:
    Gardai arrived, a stand-off ensued, and Mr Kehoe later turned the gun on himself.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-shot-dead-in-row-over-land-had-complained-about-his-killer-25964748.html


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    #2553
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Jesus we have reached peak Chuckie with the faux indignation. The eviction was legitimate and lawful. The debtor's were told 2 days before it happened and they chose to stay and resist. The blowing this out of proportion by Sinn Fein and their useful idiots is painful to listen to. The economic illiteracy that is being displayed by Sinn Fein is worse than normal. All this ****e cause a few republican thugs had a hard on to bash some Jaffa's!


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    #2554
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,779 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    JCJCJC wrote: »
    That house seems to be built in a ring Fort!
    that apparently seems to be a site of the original manor house for the mount browns, so if it is ring fort it was disturbed long ago https://twitter.com/delexical/status/1075066446974210048


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    #2555
    blueythebear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Why are you so aggressively nitpicking a reported fact ?



    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-shot-dead-in-row-over-land-had-complained-about-his-killer-25964748.html



    Unless I've missed a previous post, that is not the story i was referring to. The original poster was referring to a story where a chap was warned against purchasing land, who then purchased the land and was the threat was carried out by killing him. The poster said that the chap that purchased the land effectively killed himself by purchasing the land.

    If I've misunderstood, I'll gladly retract my comment


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    #2556
    Wesser
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    God the house looks dreadful why would you want to.hold onto a house like that.


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    #2557
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    nullzero wrote: »
    I'm not casting any stones. Until today I never considered loyalist to be a term of abuse.
    I just wanted to ask you your opinion on what I would class as libelous comments being made by a person I was broadly agreeing with in the beginning when I quoted his post.

    I think I've said three times now I don't believe you're a bigot or a racist. All I can do is speak for myself on that.


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    #2558
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,779 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Wesser wrote: »
    God the house looks dreadful why would you want to.hold onto a house like that.
    for the farm... that's it attached to so his brother and sister live there, doubt Anthony McGann lives there I'd like to see what his house looks like


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    #2559
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    end of the road wrote: »
    being a loyalist does not automatically equal being part of a paramilitary outfit.

    Absolutely.

    Would you also agree, in the interest of fairness, that being British does not automatically make someone Protestant or Loyalist?


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    #2560
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    blueythebear wrote: »
    Unless I've missed a previous post, that is not the story i was referring to. The original poster was referring to a story where a chap was warned against purchasing land, who then purchased the land and was the threat was carried out by killing him. The poster said that the chap that purchased the land effectively killed himself by purchasing the land.

    If I've misunderstood, I'll gladly retract my comment


    Maybe I should have been a bit clearer. The man who bought the farm was murdered. The man who shot him then killed himself.


    It's was an easy mistake to make given my sentence structure.


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    #2561
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    markodaly wrote: »
    Only if you are a bigot and racist.

    I guess that makes Rory Best, captain of the Ireland rugby team a 'Loyalist' too...

    If he derescribes himself as British then he is a Loyalist, yes.


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    #2562
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    Would you also agree, in the interest of fairness, that being British does not automatically make someone Protestant or Loyalist?


    Is the pope a catholic? Sammy Wilson knows.


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    #2563
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 16,553 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    ****


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I think I've said three times now I don't believe you're a bigot or a racist. All I can do is speak for myself on that.

    I appreciate that. It's just not pleasant to have slurs made against you, particularly ones of that nature. I don't mean to involve you in this situation but you're being decent enough to reply and give a reasoned response, I essentially value your feedback and appreciate it.

    Glazers Out!



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    #2564
    blueythebear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Maybe I should have been a bit clearer. The man who bought the farm was murdered. The man who shot him then killed himself.


    It's was an easy mistake to make given my sentence structure.

    Fair enough, I didn't understand you were referring to that story and that you literally meant that the guy that killed the purchaser then killed himself. My bad and I totally retract that comment.

    That's simply a tragic story.


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    #2565
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,325 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Maybe I should have been a bit clearer. The man who bought the farm was murdered. The man who shot him then killed himself.


    It's was an easy mistake to make given my sentence structure.

    So, and apologies to reiterate the question, but it's it not disgraceful that a man was murdered for purchasing land legally?

    Should such behaviour not be condemned?

    A purely innocent man murdered for making a legal purchase.


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    #2566
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    noodler wrote: »
    So, and apologies to reiterate the question, but it's it not disgraceful that a man was murdered for purchasing land legally?

    Should such behaviour not be condemned?

    A purely innocent man murdered for making a legal purchase.


    of course it should and quite rightly it was

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2567
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    blueythebear wrote: »
    Unless I've missed a previous post, that is not the story i was referring to. The original poster was referring to a story where a chap was warned against purchasing land, who then purchased the land and was the threat was carried out by killing him. The poster said that the chap that purchased the land effectively killed himself by purchasing the land.

    If I've misunderstood, I'll gladly retract my comment

    Fair play.

    You quoted this in your post.
    I think it was a tragedy that he was subsequently murdered and the man who did it was in the wrong but as you can see from the case he killed himself.

    The poster had already linked to the case just a few posts earlier...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108919200&postcount=2543


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    #2568
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    noodler wrote: »
    So, and apologies to reiterate the question, but it's it not disgraceful that a man was murdered for purchasing land legally?

    Should such behaviour not be condemned?

    A purely innocent man murdered for making a legal purchase.

    :rolleyes:


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    #2569
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    If he describes himself as British then he is a Loyalist, yes.

    I'd disagree with that in principle. Anyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to be British or Irish. By the rationale you're giving, they have to choose whether they're loyalists or republicans. That's pretty awful for someone who just wants to live a 9-5 and be a normal person.


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    #2570
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    noodler wrote: »
    So, and apologies to reiterate the question, but it's it not disgraceful that a man was murdered for purchasing land legally?

    Should such behaviour not be condemned?

    A purely innocent man murdered for making a legal purchase.


    I think my use of the word murdered puts the blame fairly and squarely on the correct shoulders.



    Are you implying somehow that I condone this killing?


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    #2571
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    Would you also agree, in the interest of fairness, that being British does not automatically make someone Protestant or Loyalist?

    It certainly doesn't make them Protestant or Catholic, or Muslim or Jewish.

    But I have never seen or heard of anyone from the North of Ireland who identifies as British ever calling themselves an Irish Nationalist or Irish Republican.

    I think Gerry Fitt or someone like that said they had a Welsh granny but that's about as close as it gets.


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    #2572
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    It certainly doesn't make them Protestant.

    But I have never seen or heard of anyone from the North of Ireland who identifies as British ever calling themselves an Irish Nationalist or Irish Republican.

    I never said that. What if they just don't give a rats about politics or religion but happen to be British. Same would go for someone who is Irish. Are they automatically Republicans? Can't they just be Irish or British?


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    #2573
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd disagree with that in principle. Anyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to be British or Irish. By the rationale you're giving, they have to choose whether they're loyalists or republicans. That's pretty awful for someone who just wants to live a 9-5 and be a normal person.


    The guy was making a very strong point saying he was British in such circumstances, he went as far as to say that he was not Irish. He was giving the guy a message and it wasn't coded. It was direct and to the point. That message was received loud and clear. Anyone who does not understand that conversation has little insight in Irish history or politics.


    We all know it, it's in our DNA.


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    #2574
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    we can presume by the topics under discussion the last forty pages that nobody any longer has any real dispute about the actual case here

    right?


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    #2575
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

    But I have never seen or heard of anyone from the North of Ireland who identifies as British ever calling themselves an Irish Nationalist or Irish Republican.

    how about this guy ?


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    #2576
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    The guy was making a very strong point saying he was British in such circumstances

    Hang on, I'm talking in general, just to cover a point. Forget the guy at the scene for a minute. If someone says they're British, does that automatically make them a loyalist. If so, does that make someone calling themselves Irish a republican?


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    #2577
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,031 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd disagree with that in principle. Anyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to be British or Irish. By the rationale you're giving, they have to choose whether they're loyalists or republicans. That's pretty awful for someone who just wants to live a 9-5 and be a normal person.


    it absolutely is, agreed. however that is one of many problems the british brought to that part of ireland when they decided to enforce partition of the island rather then letting it all go and it is their fault that such a choice has to exist.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2578
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I never said that. What if they just don't give a rats about politics or religion but happen to be British. Same would go for someone who is Irish. Are they automatically Republicans? Can't they just be Irish or British?


    I would say most people who think of themselves as Irish are Republicans. those in the south anyway.
    It's a system of government and principles, its not a man with a gun.


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    #2579
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I would say most people who think of themselves as Irish are Republicans.

    See, I've no bother with that. Thanks.


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    #2580
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Omackeral wrote: »
    See, I've no bother with that. Thanks.


    So. is u British or Irish?


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    #2581
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    So. is u British or Irish?

    I'm err on oiday


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