Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

Danzy · 19-12-2018 12:32AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Yep.
Think you will have to explain it in simple language.

Edit, saw your next post.
Basically you think that anyone who buys this repossessed property will be subject to ongoing criminality by some locals? Or is it former owners?
Or who exactly will commit all this crime?

Who knows, in a way nor does it matter.

There is always a danger in making a difficult situation a complete disaster.

I think it will be wrong that it happens but that changes nothing.

I doubt if it was handled differently that this problem would arise. It would just be another one of 80 repossessions a week, which never have a fuss or news about.
So yes, I think if you got it for free, got the cattle for free, ration and fertilizer for free ,you couldn't make money off of it now.

That would not have been the case prior to this debacle.

Right or wrong, it is what it is.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:32AM

P_1 wrote: »

Varadkar is playing this like a shambles. All he's going to do is radicalise people into following that loolah Gilroy and his band of idiot hi vis vest wearers

No matter how bad Varadkar is and he is bad, no one will ever follow Gilroy in large numbers.

19-12-2018 12:33AM

end of the road wrote: »

this is very different. things are very different in rural areas where land is concerned.

I'm from a rural area.
I have seen evictions in my area, & seen people buy the property afterwards.
I haven't seen any issues.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:34AM

markodaly wrote: »

I am calling you a bigot and racist because you used an accent and identity to determine someone is 'clearly' a loyalist i.e. a member of a paramilitary outfit.

Unless you actually know who the person is, then making such judgments based on the criteria above makes you a bigot and racist.

Loyalist does not mean a member of a paramilitary gang. You need to read up a bit about the history of the north.

fryup · 19-12-2018 12:35AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm from a rural area.
I have seen evictions in my area, & seen people buy the property afterwards.
I haven't seen any issues.

yes but in this case there will be, you wanna be very brave or foolhardy to buy that property

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:35AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm from a rural area.
I have seen evictions in my area, & seen people buy the property afterwards.
I haven't seen any issues.

So you would be pretty sure this farm could get sold easily and the new owners would have a happy time there.

19-12-2018 12:35AM

Danzy wrote: »

if it was handled differently that this problem would arise. It would just be another one of 80 repossessions a week, which never have a fuss or news about.

Agreed.
If they just left the property, like most other normal people involved in repossessions, then there wouldn't have been any issues

end of the road · 19-12-2018 12:35AM

the_syco wrote: »

The show of force will help others decide to leave when the Courts tell them to do so.

i'd doubt it tbh.

markodaly · 19-12-2018 12:36AM

nullzero wrote: »

He identified HIMSELF as British.

Yes

His accent is that of a person from Northern Ireland.

Possibly.

That would make him part of the protestant/loyalist/unionist community.

Nope.

You do not know his religion, you do not know what 'community' he belongs to, you do not know his politics.
You are making a judgment purely based on identity and accent. That is bigoted.

The fact is you do not know this person, so you cannot make a call on what he is or isnt.

Lefty Bicek · 19-12-2018 12:38AM

markodaly wrote: »

The fact is you do not know this person, so you cannot make a call on what he is or isnt.

Doesn't stop you doing it on here.

19-12-2018 12:38AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

So you would be pretty sure this farm could get sold easily and the new owners would have a happy time there.

They should do.
Anyone that engages in any kind of harassment or any other illegal activity, should be dealt with an per the law.
Of course, the old boy who is getting kicked out clearly doesn't have any respect for the law, so god knows what he could do!

Lefty Bicek · 19-12-2018 12:39AM

bubblypop wrote: »

They should do.
Anyone that engages in any kind of harassment or any other illegal activity, should be dealt with an per the law.
Of course, the old boy who is getting kicked out clearly doesn't have any respect for the law, so god knows what he could do!

So, per the question you were asked, that's a 'no' then.

19-12-2018 12:40AM

nullzero wrote: »

He identified HIMSELF as British.That would make him part of the protestant/loyalist/unionist community.

That's just not true though. Yes it's likely but it's an absolute assumption you're making. I'm sure there are British people who are atheists and don't give a sh*t about religion. I'm sure there are some that couldn't give a fiddlers (or a fluters) about the union, just happen to be holders of British passports or come from families previously who may have but they themselves don't care. Do we do the same of Irish people up there. Assume every single one of them is a Republican/Catholic/Nationalist? Can they not just be Irish? Just normal bloody people. I'd hate to have to pick a side in every aspect of my existence just because I live a few hundred miles up the road. People can just be people.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:41AM

markodaly wrote: »

Yes

Possibly.

Nope.

You do not know his religion, you do not know what 'community' he belongs to, you do not know his politics.
You are making a judgment purely based on identity and accent. That is bigoted.

The fact is you do not know this person, so you cannot make a call on what he is or isnt.

Talk about clutching at straws.

He identified HIMSELF as British, for the last bloody time. He made a statement about HIS OWN identity. Perhaps he is a Buddhist, who knows but it is not a huge leap to make the basic assumption that he is a protestant after he identified himself as British whilst speaking in a northern Irish accent. How this makes me a bigot and a racist is anyone's guess.
You should be ashamed of yourself for making those assumptions about me and stating them as fact.

end of the road · 19-12-2018 12:42AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What does that say for Sinn Féin?

absolutely nothing. sf are still a credible political party and hopefully will be in government soon.

pablo128 · 19-12-2018 12:42AM

bubblypop wrote: »

So what does this mean then?

I'm loving this. You have posters suggesting it would be unsafe to buy this property and dancing like a cat on a hot tin roof when asked why.

It's all sh1te talk anyway. Half the locals will be bidding in it.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:42AM

bubblypop wrote: »

They should do.
Anyone that engages in any kind of harassment or any other illegal activity, should be dealt with an per the law.
Of course, the old boy who is getting kicked out clearly doesn't have any respect for the law, so god knows what he could do!

What you want to happen and reality can often take two different roads, You say "should" but dont say "would", I assume that means you think any future buyer would not be entirely happy with their purchase.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:43AM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's just not true though. Yes it's likely but it's an absolute assumption you're making. I'm sure there are British people who are atheists and don't give a sh*t about religion. I'm sure there are some that couldn't give a fiddlers (or a fluters) about the union, just happen to be holders of British passports or come from families previously who may have but they themselves don't care. Do we do the same of Irish people up there. Assume every single one of them is a Republican/Catholic/Nationalist? Can they not just be Irish? Just normal bloody people. I'd hate to have to pick a side in every aspect of my existence just because I live a few hundred miles up the road. People can just be people.

My point was simple, this man clearly identified himself as British. To say he's a loyalist after that fact isn't bigoted (as you said previously yourself). I stated that saying he is a UDA member is purely supposition and that somehow makes me a racist.

19-12-2018 12:43AM

nullzero wrote: »

it is not a huge leap to make the basic assumption

ok.

nullzero wrote: »

You should be ashamed of yourself for making those assumptions

ok.

19-12-2018 12:43AM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

So, per the question you were asked, that's a 'no' then.

Well, I can't see into the future, but like I already said, I have never seen any issues with repossessed properties that have been bought by others.

Now, I don't know what this unlawful farmer may be capable of.... As I said I can't see into the future

blueythebear · 19-12-2018 12:44AM

There has been a drip feed of information in relation to this matter but media reports are telling in this regard... The Irish Times refer to Court Records relating to a possession order granted in 2013. So there was a court order. It was renewed in 2017.

There is video of the original eviction last week. It shows people being removed by force by security guards while the Gardai were present. The Irish Times also refers to the Sheriffs Office being involved. So, on the face of it, this was a lawful eviction carried out in a normal manner. The physical force used was not disproportionate from the video that i saw. You may disagree with me on that but the Gardai on the scene took the same view. The video is subject of several complaints apparently by individuals that say they were assaulted and they have made complaints to an Garda Siochana who are investigating them, yet the mob saw fit to take action despite the appropriate action being to allow the Gardai to investigate.

The borrower is in the "won't pay" category and knew well that the eviction was happening. One of the interviewees at the location said as much and that several of them attended on the morning of the eviction. It certainly was not to bake cakes for the security company.

This is another example in a long line of social media retards becoming outraged on the basis of very few facts, most of which are misreported or jjust wrong. When they are proven wrong, these people simply refuse the truth and claim that every mainstream media outlet is lying. This place is becoming more like Trump's america every day and I despair for this country and its future if the online reaction in favour of this farmer is representative of anything other than a small bunch of vocal morons .

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:44AM

Omackeral wrote: »

ok.

ok.

The second quote was in reply to markodaly just for the sake of clarity.

For Forks Sake · 19-12-2018 12:45AM

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely nothing. sf are still a credible political party and hopefully will be in government soon.

SF have no interest in being in government, far easier for them to be hurlers on the ditch than make actual decisions.

padd b1975 · 19-12-2018 12:45AM

bubblypop wrote: »

What does this mean?

19-12-2018 12:45AM

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely nothing. sf are still a credible political party and hopefully will be in government soon.

Ha ha ha ha. Peter Casey, a nobody, lashed their candidate out of it in the Presidential Election in embarrassing fashion. Try again.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:46AM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's just not true though. Yes it's likely but it's an absolute assumption you're making. I'm sure there are British people who are atheists and don't give a sh*t about religion. I'm sure there are some that couldn't give a fiddlers (or a fluters) about the union, just happen to be holders of British passports or come from families previously who may have but they themselves don't care. Do we do the same of Irish people up there. Assume every single one of them is a Republican/Catholic/Nationalist? Can they not just be Irish? Just normal bloody people. I'd hate to have to pick a side in every aspect of my existence just because I live a few hundred miles up the road. People can just be people.

The guy was making a point when he said he was British, it wasn't a casual remark. You know that, he was saying I am different from you, I am not Irish.
He has every right to say what he wants and he understood what we was saying but maybe he didn't expect the reaction.

19-12-2018 12:47AM

nullzero wrote: »

My point was simple, this man clearly identified himself as British. To say he's a loyalist after that fact isn't bigoted (as you said previously yourself). I stated that saying he is a UDA member is purely supposition and that somehow makes me a racist.

It's an assumption. As I said, in all probability it's the right one, but an assumption nonetheless. Can't call it is a fact. And no, I don't believe you're being bigoted by saying it either.

Lefty Bicek · 19-12-2018 12:48AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, I can't see into the future, but like I already said, I have never seen any issues with repossessed properties that have been bought by others.

Now, I don't know what this unlawful farmer may be capable of.... As I said I can't see into the future

I understand. But in your shoes I wouldn't have been reticent to say so.

I'm from the country too, and I have seen what can potentially happen to people who come in from the outside to buy land that had been contested between two brothers.

Intimidation, vandalism, etc. Awful stuff.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:48AM

Omackeral wrote: »

It's an assumption. As I said, in all probability it's the right one, but an assumption nonetheless. Can't call it is a fact.

Should I be labeled a bigot and a racist as a result of saying what I said?

19-12-2018 12:50AM

nullzero wrote: »

The second quote was in reply to markodaly just for the sake of clarity.

I know. Listen, I've no beef with you. I don't think you're a bigot or a racist. I agree that most British people up North probably lean towards loyalism or identify as Protestants but I'm making the point that it's not cast in stone all of the time.

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