Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

19-12-2018 12:09AM

Danzy wrote: »

People are disagreeing with that, what escalated it was the way it handled.

The Govt. response, understandable from them, yet it does not help. When did FG become converted to fiscal probity and the rule of law, what changed there?

Things like this happen every day across Ireland, about 80 times a week,they do not make the news, even locally.

Escalate it though and you'll get a reaction.

Evictions do happen all over Ireland, & they don't make the news, when the person leaves the property!!
Walk away.
If they refuse to go that's when things escalate. Their own fault.

19-12-2018 12:10AM

nullzero wrote: »

Did you bother to read the post you quoted?
I said he was clearly a loyalist and I then said assuming that makes him a member of the UDA is supposition. I don't think he necessarily is a UDA member, maybe he is, maybe he doesn't like jaffa cakes, I can't say.

People up North have the right to identify as Irish or British. Doesn't mean they have to identify as Nationalist or Unionist, Catholic or Protestant. You're assuming, probably correctly, but still, it's an assumption. That's just one point.

At least you'll go with maybe or maybe not on the UDA thing. Others here just regurgitate it as gospel. It's dishonest posting without any real proof.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:10AM

pablo128 wrote: »

What I mean by resident is that a PSA holder has to reside in the republic of Ireland, while those holding the northern equivalent of the PSA have to reside in the north. Neither can work in the other jurisdiction as a security guard.

I'm not disagreeing with you that people carrying out evictions should be licenced, by the way. It should have been sorted long ago. However, for now that's how it is.

That's all fair enough, I learned something I wasn't aware of and we understand each other now.

Spanish Eyes · 19-12-2018 12:10AM

If anyone in Strokestown is impressed by these people I give up.

I doubt it really though. There is a limit.

19-12-2018 12:10AM

Danzy wrote: »

It is very obvious what it means.

No?
Can you explain?

markodaly · 19-12-2018 12:10AM

nullzero wrote: »

A person who identifies themselves as British with a northern Irish accent can safely be described as loyalist (which does not affiliate them solely with sectarianism).

Only if you are a bigot and racist.

I guess that makes Rory Best, captain of the Ireland rugby team a 'Loyalist' too...

BalcombeSt4 · 19-12-2018 12:12AM

Loyalists up to no good as usual. Bet Billy Hutchinson & the UVF were behind this one, want to check for bombs around the city.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:13AM

Omackeral wrote: »

People up North have the right to identify as Irish or British. Doesn't mean they have to identify as Nationalist or Unionist, Catholic or Protestant. You're assuming, probably correctly, but still, it's an assumption. That's just one point.

At least you'll go with maybe or maybe not on the UDA thing. Others here just regurgitate it as gospel. It's dishonest posting without any real proof.

At least I'll go with maybe or maybe not?
There's no proof either way, referring to somebody as loyalist isn't bigoted and nor is it fair to accuse me of seeing all brown skinned people as members of ISIS(I know you didn't say those things).

The thing about the man in question is that He identified himself as being British, which would make him a loyalist or unionist which is something I didn't realise was a term of abuse, rather a term used to describe these peoples own political affiliations.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:13AM

bubblypop wrote: »

What does this mean?

Is it so difficult to understand?

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:17AM

markodaly wrote: »

Only if you are a bigot and racist.

I guess that makes Rory Best, captain of the Ireland rugby team a 'Loyalist' too...

Are you calling me a bigot and a racist because I said somebody was a loyalist? I stated that there was no evidence that the man in question is or was a member of the UDA. He identified Himself and British, which would by definition make him a loyalist, or if you like a Unionist.
And this from a poster who started this thread... https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057917456/1/#post108274569
So are you offended on the part of Northern Irish people who identify as British being called loyalist? Its hardly the hate crime of the century.

Danzy · 19-12-2018 12:17AM

bubblypop wrote: »

No?
Can you explain?

The place is now for sale.

Can cattle water troughs be guarded all day and night, that sheds, machinery, bales be guarded, that is what a new owner will need to consider.

There was always going to be a danger when they turned this in to a circus.

What will happen and whether it is right or wrong is immaterial when it will still happen.

It took an immense effort to make this the situation it has become but they managed it.

People who would never have time for people like this landowner are now in his corner on a point of principal where if it was handled differently, it would never have been a story.

fryup · 19-12-2018 12:18AM

time for a quick comedy interlude:

19-12-2018 12:18AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Is it so difficult to understand?

Yep.
Think you will have to explain it in simple language.

Edit, saw your next post.
Basically you think that anyone who buys this repossessed property will be subject to ongoing criminality by some locals? Or is it former owners?
Or who exactly will commit all this crime?

19-12-2018 12:20AM

nullzero wrote: »

At least I'll go with maybe or maybe not?
There's no proof either way

Exactly. I'm commending you on being level about it. It's a fair outlook.

nullzero wrote: »

referring to somebody as loyalist isn't bigoted

I wouldn't say it's bigoted but maybe it's an assumption (I do reckon it's quite a possible one here personally, tbh) to just mark all folks into a political box. People in Northern Ireland are able to identify as Irish or British. Some of them probably couldn't give a fiddlers about politics but still need to have a nationality at the end of the day.

Lefty Bicek · 19-12-2018 12:21AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Is it so difficult to understand?

Don't feed the sealions.

Their pathetic charade of wide-eyed inquiry is so laughable.

You're supposed to pretend that they've not read the thread, and even if they had, that they couldn't put two and two together.

Danzy · 19-12-2018 12:22AM

fryup wrote: »

time for a quick comedy interlude:

These people are terrorizing their own community the rest of the year.

fryup · 19-12-2018 12:24AM

Danzy wrote: »

These people are terrorizing their own community the rest of the year.

and who are "these people"?

P_1 · 19-12-2018 12:24AM

Varadkar is playing this like a shambles. All he's going to do is radicalise people into following that loolah Gilroy and his band of idiot hi vis vest wearers

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:25AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Exactly. I'm commending you on being level about it. It's a fair outlook.

I wouldn't say it's bigoted but maybe it's an assumption (I do reckon it's quite a possible one here personally, tbh) to just mark all folks into a political box. People in Northern Ireland are able to identify as Irish or British. Some of them probably couldn't give a fiddlers about politics but still need to have a nationality at the end of the day.

I'm glad you highlighted that it isn't bigoted.
To be honest I read the post I originally quoted without taking note of the poster (as I've had previous with this guy I wouldn't have given myself the headache of talking to him again) and now I'm being called a bigot and having assumptions made about my attitude towards people with "brown skin". Three reported posts and nothing done.

markodaly · 19-12-2018 12:26AM

nullzero wrote: »

Are you calling me a bigot and a racist because I said somebody was a loyalist? I

I am calling you a bigot and racist because you used an accent and identity to determine someone is 'clearly' a loyalist i.e. a member of a paramilitary outfit.

Unless you actually know who the person is, then making such judgments based on the criteria above makes you a bigot and racist.

markodaly · 19-12-2018 12:29AM

To clarify, if one was to make the same judgments using the same criteria about a brown skinned man, who said he was from the Middle East and someone said they were 'clearly' a member of a terrorist outfit, that also would be racist.

end of the road · 19-12-2018 12:29AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why would it be impossible to sell?

already mentioned in the thread.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:29AM

markodaly wrote: »

I am calling you a bigot and racist because you used an accent and identity to determine someone is 'clearly' a loyalist i.e. a member of a paramilitary outfit.

Unless you actually know who the person is, then making such judgments based on the criteria above makes you a bigot and racist.

He identified HIMSELF as British. His accent is that of a person from Northern Ireland. That would make him part of the protestant/loyalist/unionist community. He described HIMSELF this way, I said to say he was a member of the UDA was supposition.

You then run with the notion that I'm a bigot and a racist. How dare you. You are clearly incapable of rational discussion. Shame on you.

nullzero · 19-12-2018 12:30AM

markodaly wrote: »

To clarify, if one was to make the same judgments using the same criteria about a brown skinned man, who said he was from the Middle East and someone said they were 'clearly' a member of a terrorist outfit, that also would be racist.

I never said he was clearly a member of a terrorist outfit, I said the opposite, you quoted it ffs.

cameramonkey · 19-12-2018 12:30AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Yep.
Think you will have to explain it in simple language.

Edit, saw your next post.
Basically you think that anyone who buys this repossessed property will be subject to ongoing criminality by some locals? Or is it former owners?
Or who exactly will commit all this crime?

No, I didn't say anything of the sort. You are mistaken.

tuxy · 19-12-2018 12:31AM

markodaly wrote: »

I am calling you a bigot and racist because you used an accent and identity to determine someone is 'clearly' a loyalist i.e. a member of a paramilitary outfit.

Loyalist can mean

Ulster loyalist, a political ideology found primarily among Ulster Protestants in Northern Ireland(legal)

Or can mean Loyalist paramilitary(illegal)

You can't just accuse someone of meaning one and not the other unless they have made it clear.

Lefty Bicek · 19-12-2018 12:31AM

nullzero wrote: »

He identified HIMSELF as British. His accent is that of a person from Northern Ireland. That would make him part of the protestant/loyalist/unionist community. He described HIMSELF this way, I said to say he was a member of the UDA was supposition.

You then run with the notion that I'm a bigot and a racist. How dare you. You are clearly incapable of rational discussion. Shame on you.

In other words, in a highly charged environment, his default siege mentality over-rules his common sense.

Gotta love that intransigence.

Alliance Party, he ain't.

end of the road · 19-12-2018 12:31AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Plenty of people would buy it.
I know lots of people who have bought repossessed properties.
Don't see any issues?

this is very different. things are very different in rural areas where land is concerned.

19-12-2018 12:31AM

Danzy wrote: »

The place is now for sale.

Can cattle water troughs be guarded all day and night, that sheds, machinery, bales be guarded, that is what a new owner will need to consider.

There was always going to be a danger when they turned this in to a circus.

What will happen and whether it is right or wrong is immaterial when it will still happen.

It took an immense effort to make this the situation it has become but they managed it.

People who would never have time for people like this landowner are now in his corner on a point of principal where if it was handled differently, it would never have been a story.

So what does this mean then?

simongurnick · 19-12-2018 12:31AM

relax carry on wrote: »

Ok to to hone in on the actual case itself and leaving aside the eviction action carried out by the security firm which seems to have become mired in emotional opinions; do you accept that the process followed from 2009 to August 2018 allowed the borrower ever chance to deal with his financial responsibilities?
I believe that if he had engaged in a meaningful manner including possibly selling some of his assets to meet his debts he may not have found himself in the situation he did. Instead he seems to have compounded his problems given what we know of his issues with Revenue.

You may be right. Sounds like he had every chance, but we don't have the full story so it's speculation on all sides

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