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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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  • #8732
    Econ__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭Econ__


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I'm not arguing agaisnt that (and I did also say Poch back then too).

    My Hmmmmm is to do with Poch maybe wanting to leave Spurs for the same things Mourinho has moaned about all season. Leaving Spurs for the same set of problems.


    Mourinho spent £400m on 11 players and commands the highest wage bill in the league.

    Poch would be doing cartwheels if he was given anything like that kind of ‘backing’.


  • #8733
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Unearthly wrote: »
    What type of football does Solskjaer play? Attacking or defence first

    His youth team we had was a joy to watch. Lots of talented youngsters in that batch who are littered around the PL and Championship now, also lingard.

    Cant speak for Molde and Cardiff were a mess in general.


  • #8734
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Didn’t Ole fail in his EPL role?

    He did, but circumstance is important. Cardiff of that time were a bit of a mess and relegation fodder. He then had a poor start to the next campaign and got the boot as a result.


  • #8735
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,310 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Unearthly wrote: »
    What type of football does Solskjaer play? Attacking or defence first

    According to most Cardiff fans: sh1t to wtf.

    Can't wait.


  • #8736
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,310 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Econ__ wrote: »
    Mourinho spent £400m on 11 players and commands the highest wage bill in the league.

    Poch would be doing cartwheels if he was given anything like that kind of ‘backing’.

    Right. Fine. Whatever. Ffs.


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  • #8737
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,885 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Econ__ wrote: »
    Mourinho spent £400m on 11 players and commands the highest wage bill in the league.

    Poch would be doing cartwheels if he was given anything like that kind of ‘backing’.

    Not if £400m was his limit and no more spending allowed AND if he was only allowed 1 player per position ;)

    Fixing this mess will cost a lot more than 400m and 11 players.


  • #8738
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,419 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    My posts in August and September:
    If Mourinho was smart he would walk now, from the point of view of his own legacy.

    This doesn't end well for him, the idea that the likes of Martial, Pogba, Shaw are all suddenly going to turn into dependable players that he can trust is just naive, all we are going to see this season is more of the same but against a background of increasing unrest.

    Walking away now would sting but people would understand, he has been horribly undermined by the board and has a collection of players that always have underperformed and always will. If he stays the season will probably end in tears and an acrimonious departure
    What happened in the summer was more than wrong, it was stupid and it was terminal.

    You are worried about how this season has gone? It was always going to go like this, nothing is surprising here, because the very minute the club made it clear that Mourinho did not have the authority to buy or sell the players he wanted they signed his death warrant. The very second they made it clear to the likes of Pogba and Martial that they wouldn't allow Mourinho to get rid of them, that set in motion the mentality and attitudes that have led to this point.

    All this was said at the time, it was even said before the transfer window opened. So no, there are no positives so far this season, and it certainly is no mystery why.

    Such a waste of a season when all of this was set in stone the minute the transfer window closed. At least its finally done now though, and we can move onto the next stage in this game we call, "The players could challenge for the title if they had the right managers".

    A few other points, Pochetino would be crazy to come to United, because he simply will not be given the time to overhaul that squad. The current first team coaches failed miserably and should be ****ed out the door with Mourinho.

    And lastly, I am really looking forward to the consistency of opinion that will be shown by certain posters over the next few months.


  • #8739
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,567 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Ole is an attacking minded manager. Can't be worse then Mourinho. Why isn't Eddie Howe not being considered. He has done a fantastic job with Bournemouth with little funds and is English.


  • #8740
    mugsymugsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭mugsymugsy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Not if £400m was his limit and no more spending allowed AND if he was only allowed 1 player per position ;)

    Fixing this mess will cost a lot more than 400m and 11 players.

    Plus somehow offloading the current **** players on massive wages. Who is going to take fellaini, matic, smalling (why was he given a new contract) et al


  • #8741
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    According to most Cardiff fans: sh1t to wtf.

    Can't wait.

    Good to see the mood has lightened Mitch :D

    I wouldn't pay any attention to the period in charge of Cardiff. A terrible team in a competitive league.

    He has a bigger body of work and sample aize with our youths and Molde.

    Also, how many real life Cardiff fans did you discuss his 8 months at the club with?


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  • #8742
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,310 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    VW 1 wrote: »
    Good to see the mood has lightened Mitch :D

    I wouldn't pay any attention to the period in charge of Cardiff. A terrible team in a competitive league.

    He has a bigger body of work and sample aize with our youths and Molde.

    Also, how many real life Cardiff fans did you discuss his 8 months at the club with?

    You don't think opinions are being given on ogs by Cardiff fans today?

    You didn't keep an eye on Cardiff when he was there?


  • #8743
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,885 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    mugsymugsy wrote: »
    Plus somehow offloading the current **** players on massive wages. Who is going to take fellaini, matic, smalling (why was he given a new contract) et al

    Yep. The amount of dross filling up the squad needs to be booted out and replaced with better squad players, on top of improving the actual starting XI.


  • #8744
    Paris Old-fashioned Pita
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Paris Old-fashioned Pita


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    My posts in August and September:





    Such a waste of a season when all of this was set in stone the minute the transfer window closed. At least its finally done now though, and we can move onto the next stage in this game we call, "The players could challenge for the title if they had the right managers".

    A few other points, Pochetino would be crazy to come to United, because he simply will not be given the time to overhaul that squad. The current first team coaches failed miserably and should be ****ed out the door with Mourinho.

    And lastly, I am really looking forward to the consistency of opinion that will be shown by certain posters over the next few months.

    Welcome back :)


  • #8745
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    py2006 wrote: »
    Somebody on radio mentioned Roy as interim manager.

    Could you imagine...

    Cant see him leaving palace :)


  • #8746
    uncleoswald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Yeah we arent an attractive club. If Poch is to consider joining (and isnt an idiot) he'd surely want guarantee's that he can buy and sell as he wishes or he can just walk away from the clusterfck.
    What club would give him that guarantee? Mourinho has spent 100m more in two seasons less than Poch has in his time at Spurs. Poch might very reasonably be thinking what he could do with that sort of backing.

    United have problems but this spin that we are some unmanageable curse of a club is laughable, but I'm sure we'll be hearing it lots from the likes of Duncan Castles over the next few days.


  • #8747
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    billyhead wrote: »
    Ole is an attacking minded manager. Can't be worse then Mourinho. Why isn't Eddie Howe not being considered. He has done a fantastic job with Bournemouth with little funds and is English.

    Its only an interim position until summer, thats why. He wouldnt be interested and neither would utd


  • #8748
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,310 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    If solskjaer didn't have history at the club he'd have been given no consideration at all. An external appointment bring made on such grounds is annoying, it continues that bad decision making by the club that has got us where we are.


  • #8749
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    billyhead wrote: »
    Ole is an attacking minded manager. Can't be worse then Mourinho. Why isn't Eddie Howe not being considered. He has done a fantastic job with Bournemouth with little funds and is English.

    I hear David Moyes did well with little funds. Could we get him back?


  • #8750
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    If solskjaer didn't have history at the club he'd have been given no consideration at all. An external appointment bring made on such grounds is annoying, it continues that bad decision making by the club that has got us where we are.

    So who should it be? If you were on the board.


  • #8751
    VW 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭VW 1


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    You don't think opinions are being given on ogs by Cardiff fans today?

    You didn't keep an eye on Cardiff when he was there?

    I do and I did, but at the same time he came into a club in a relegation battle with limited resources. From memory he didnt make any big signings, just brought magnus eikrem from Molde with him, who he had brought from our youth team.

    He was hardly going to be playing swashbuckling football on the way to safety, I'd imagine priority one was to become defensively solid and use that as a platform to build points.

    Whereas our youth team was a better team in the league and would have had the players to play an expansive game.

    As i said, i dont know much about either time at Molde and style of play, but from the little I've read he seems to want to play good attacking football.

    So forgive me if i dismiss 8 months at a bottom team, over the other 10 years or so he has as a manager.


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  • #8752
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    I'd say it is that they know they want to bring Poch in - that is a long way from bringing him in though. will need to convince him and that won't be easy.

    Not sure on how difficult it might be to bring him in with respect to Levy, to be honest, though. I don't know if it is just a case of us paying out his contract, or if Spurs can tell us to feck off no matter what money is put on the table.

    But if Poch is the guy, why not try get him now? He might say no, maybe he did, so a caretaker until the summer. Maybe I’m giving them too much credit, I just don’t see why you’d start with a caretaker rather than trying to get your first choice in, give him the write off season to assess and then go next summer.

    Granted managers might not want to take over now but I reckon if I was on the board if at least try? I know we’re muck at the moment but Man Utd is still a huge draw.


  • #8753
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,567 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    bangkok wrote: »
    Its only an interim position until summer, thats why. He wouldnt be interested and neither would utd

    I was thinking give it to him temporarily until the end of season and review then with a view to a permanent contract. He could work miracles with a bigger budget and better players.


  • #8754
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,310 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    So who should it be? If you were on the board.

    Blanc or Jardim - 6 month contract, basically an audition?

    I'm not a fan of the caretaker view - and certainly not a fan of a relatively inexperienced caretaker that is a huge gamble themselves.

    Mourinho was a problem, and I am glad he has been sacked, but there are problems beyond him and I think it needs someone with more stature than Solskjaer at this point in time. I don't think he has proven himself ready or able for United.

    Seriously, if Solskjaer didn't have history at United, and you heard United were about to appoint the Molde manager, who failed horribly at Cardiff, as manager what would you reaction be?

    Do we think that Woodward has been tracking his career and sees something in what he has done at Molde? Do we think Woodward would be appointing Solskjaer based on his managerial style, his record, his playing style - or is it likely he is simply a good name to bring in and wing over fans in the short term?


  • #8755
    UnitedIrishman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    I have very little faith in us making the correct decision to replace Jose.

    Fair enough OGS and whoever coming in until the end of the season, I think our season is pretty much done anyways so it's a shot to nothing. I'd have no faith of us beating PSG under Mourinho, so I can't see it happening anyways. By looks of things, the man we want to get in isn't available at this moment but don't blame them from changing from Mourinho for 5 months or so to try get a shot to the arm that gets a lift out of the players.

    It's almost a guarantee that we'll either:
    a) appoint a manager that's a big name and just throw more big names at them - that ends in disaster
    b) hire a DOF and a manager that aren't on the same wavelength - that ends in disaster
    c) employ a donk - see above

    That said, I'm actually looking forward to the possibility of us playing something resembling attacking football some stage in the near future. Mourinho's last two games were it for me. I thought he might restore a bit of authority but the Valencia game was on par with Moyes vs. Fulham - we were all over the place. Players aren't faultless either in this, and would happily see a lot of them gotten rid.


  • #8756
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    I’m trying to get excited about the new manager, and I am, but I have that nagging feeling that we’ll be having this same conversation in 18 months time.


  • #8757
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Mitch Connor wrote: »

    Do we think that Woodward has been tracking his career and sees something in what he has done at Molde? Do we think Woodward would be appointing Solskjaer based on his managerial style, his record, his playing style - or is it likely he is simply a good name to bring in and wing over fans in the short term?

    I bet Fergie gave the nod.


  • #8758
    MaceFace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    I find many of the posts incredible. Giving a short contract to any manager whether it be 6 months or 2 years is laughable. Who would take that?
    Either you have confidence in your manager or you don't.
    As for keeping then hungry? Seriously? If you need to motivate a manager, your doing a something wrong.


  • #8759
    Zeek12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Caretaker is realistically the only option I can see for now.

    We've been bounced into the last three appointments.
    Fergie's retirement came earlier than expected. And everything that's happened since has been the club reacting to crisis repeatedly. And doing it badly.

    Next appointment needs to be planned properly.

    Blanc sounds like a good shout at least in short term....but would he accept it on temporary basis?

    Solskjaer will appeal to the fans.
    But is he really experienced enough for a job of this magnitude - to come in and galvanize the squad and turn it round?
    Not so sure.


  • #8760
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Imagine how good our next title will feel. Will the new man bring it, one can dream.


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  • #8761
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The likes of Blanc might be put off my the temporary position but if they do a good enough job they would probably get the job on the full basis. This is one of the biggest clubs in the world where the management position doesn't come around very often


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