Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 11:19AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You can send your thanks over to the Liverpool thread

Has nothing to do with Liverpool. Players have gotten him sacked at the last 3 clubs. Which is pretty damning for his future

LuckyLloyd · 18-12-2018 11:19AM

If you actually watched the football the first two years you would have known trouble was ahead. Aimless in possession - the second leg against Sevilla (and indeeed the whole tie) last season was a crystallisation of how the game had passed him by.

It was over early this season and shouldn’t have been allowed to go on as long as it did.

I do understand those making Mourinho a hill to die on in this thread. He was the ‘break glass in case of emergency’ appointment. Him failing raises troubling questions and - a half decade on - Utd’s baseline has been fully reset. The appointment this summer is vital, as is figuring out a stable player acquisition strategy. May you live in interesting times.

Headshot · 18-12-2018 11:19AM

Makes my blood boil that he should of been gone in the summer when the club refused to back him. The season could of been so much different

The board need to hire a DOF, it's obvious they can't run the football side

yourdeadwright · 18-12-2018 11:20AM

I reckon Blanc till the summer and if he does well he will stay, If he does bad sure he;s just a caretaker no big deal its quite clever from the board ,

Zidane wont go near United in there current state, he will get the Juve job next ,

Backstreet Moyes · 18-12-2018 11:20AM

Carrick odds 1/3 to be the next permanent manager that can't be right

Vicxas · 18-12-2018 11:20AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Has nothing to do with Liverpool. Players have gotten him sacked at the last 3 clubs. Which is pretty damning for his future

Yep, cant see him going near a top club for a while, every board will be terrified to touch him.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 11:20AM

And there it is, the end to a chain of events many of us predicted when Jose was announced. Lots of negative football, passive aggressive press conferences, infighting, throwing players under the bus, a generally toxic atmosphere and the inevitable 3rd season meltdown.

Honestly Woodward and the club made a huge mistake getting Jose on board in the first pace, all this unnecessary drama and tarnishing the club was always going to happen the minute they hired Jose. 400m spent to do a Moyes in his 3rd season, its been a disaster.

RobbingBandit · 18-12-2018 11:21AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You can send your thanks over to the Liverpool thread

Are you a come in peace in disguise

kingshankly · 18-12-2018 11:21AM

Moyes contract still hasn’t expired that’s an option 😜

fatherted1969 · 18-12-2018 11:21AM

It does make sense, it's not going to be a knee jerk reaction appointing someone straight away. I'd like to think it'll be a proper on the field coach and not just a high profile name like Zidane. Take the time and get the right name, too much time wasted on managers who weren't the right fit. Time for the players to take responsibility as well.

Ive been shouting for a long time now about Jose but he did bring in 2 proper trophies and for that I'm grateful

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 11:22AM

whatawaster wrote: »

Nothing about Mourinho screams competence at the moment.

He has spent a lot of money. He has either chosen terrible players, or he just has no clue how to utilise them.

Even all this talk about needing to buy a centre back. Did he not spend big money on Lindelof and Bailly? Are they not good enough? And if not, why on earth would you let him spend more money on another?

Because two CBs is actually **** all and neother was actually big money in this era. Both combined cost less than VVD.

Woodward needs to move with the times now. When your rivals are spending more on fullbacks than you do on midfielders and breaking records on goalies and centre backs, you need to move away from the mindset above. Especially when you have so much money.

raddo · 18-12-2018 11:22AM

Happy he's gone, but caretaker manager till the end of the season. That doesn't inspire me with confidence. Means that they just made a rash decision to sack him.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 11:22AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

That's a better option than a 4 year deal to another unsuitable manager

So... appoint a suitable manager?

Who is in a job that we'd be going for? Poch (a tough get now or summer).

Allegri is the only other one I don't think we could get now but could possibly get in the summer.

I reckon we could get Howe now if we wanted him.
Jardim would be one I'd love to see - and is available now.
Zidane (would be a worry, imo) is available now.

An external appointment, through to the end of the season is odd, imo. Who on earth could we be getting in for that time? The club don't have a relationship with another manager, like Chelsea had with Hiddink. I just can't think who'd we be bringing in. Would have to be someone currently unemployed - but also with experience.

Honestly, the only name I can think of, and its a fcking weird call is.... Ferguson.

No chance he'd be taking to going forward, could just be a figurehead over Carrick/McKenna (Quiroez or Phelan etc) as he'd delegate anyway like he used to do. Team selections, general plan and team talks.

RobbingBandit · 18-12-2018 11:23AM

We are gonna need a bigger boat to get the board out.

SlickRic · 18-12-2018 11:24AM

zorro2566 wrote: »

Arry?
Big Sam?

not going to happen.

i know the uppers are incompetent, but they're not completely and utterly stupid.

bangkok · 18-12-2018 11:24AM

Wow.

Have to say im delighted. Mourinho had sucked the life out of the club, the players and the fans.

Board looking at next 4 games to pick up maximum points.

Id say majority of players are delighted he is gone as well

damowill · 18-12-2018 11:24AM

Woodward has to go next. Is there any accountability!!! There is no plan to bring the club forward. No strategy and now they are going to conduct a search for a new manager. The recruitment process begins. Its a bit like the FAI. We are a laughing stock.

RobbingBandit · 18-12-2018 11:26AM

Woodward unfortunately is too embedded with the glazers to go his business background is reaping rewards for them I'd like to see him have less to do with onfield stuff but as I say he's earned their trust and has a little too much influence because of it.

SlickRic · 18-12-2018 11:26AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Honestly Woodward and the club made a huge mistake getting Jose on board in the first pace, all this unnecessary drama and tarnishing the club was always going to happen the minute they hired Jose. 400m spent to do a Moyes in his 3rd season, its been a disaster.

the mistake wasn't getting Mourinho, it was not understanding what you were getting.

if you'd come into it accepting that it'd likely be a 3 year cycle...
if you'd come into it accepting that he'd need to be backed when he asked to be backed...

then it might have been fine. the issue was that the board bought into Mourinho's talk of wanting to create a legacy at Utd, and he's just not conducive to that, and handing him a contract renewal when they did was insanity when they weren't going to give him the funds the team needed on CBs in particular.

dfx- · 18-12-2018 11:27AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Yep, cant see him going near a top club for a while, every board will be terrified to touch him.

it's a bit like Balotelli. There'll always be some club in a desperate enough situation/egotistical enough to think 'we'll get the best out of him' again.

Bayern job might be available soon..

TomSweeney · 18-12-2018 11:27AM

bassy wrote: »

on a different note to change things from the usual debate,we are on 3 european cups and in all fergies years of success we only added 2 to the 1 already making us 3 times winners of the european cup aka champs lge.
city could conceiveably pass that in the next 5 to 10 years and the have not been on the block long really since the big take over its only happening now with city after years of spending and trying to find that greatness which there sailing on now.
barca won there 1st european cup at wembley in 1992 thanks to ronald the free kick specialist koeman and there now on 5 or 6 ?.

interesting times ahead on the european cup count.

Why ?
You think City will win ANY european cups under Guardiola ?

:D

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2018 11:27AM

Jose wasn't the right fit for Manchester United. Our identity of playing good attacking football was at odds of his defensive negative bull****. Good riddance.

Cookiemunster · 18-12-2018 11:27AM

damowill wrote: »

Woodward has to go next. Is there any accountability!!! There is no plan to bring the club forward. No strategy and now they are going to conduct a search for a new manager. The recruitment process begins. Its a bit like the FAI. We are a laughing stock.

No, Woodward needs to appoint a DOF and step away from the football side of things. There's nothing wrong with the job he's done in the area he's good at. Bringing money into the club.

threein99 · 18-12-2018 11:27AM

damowill wrote: »

Woodward has to go next. Is there any accountability!!! There is no plan to bring the club forward. No strategy and now they are going to conduct a search for a new manager. The recruitment process begins. Its a bit like the FAI. We are a laughing stock.

They said a thorough recruitment process to bring in a new manager, they could do the same for a CEO

MaceFace · 18-12-2018 11:28AM

Huge problems ahead for Utd.

Still have Woodward in charge.
Caretaker manager till end of season = no new players in January.
Looking for a director of football = need him in place before they can make any signings of note.
Need to get permanent manager in place who agrees with DOF outlook.
Still have Woodward in charge who is responsible for getting the players signed.
Need to find £300m for new signings and overpay. How many will that get?
De Gea and Martial with 18 months left on contract
Some existing players on huge wages which makes current players and new signings using that as the yard stick.
No Champions League (money) next year.

An unbelievable amount of change and risk ahead and with price of players now, can't afford to make too many mistakes.

whatawaster · 18-12-2018 11:29AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Because two CBs is actually **** all and neother was actually big money in this era. Both combined cost less than VVD.

Woodward needs to move with the times now. When your rivals are spending more on fullbacks than you do on midfielders and breaking records on goalies and centre backs, you need to move away from the mindset above. Especially when you have so much money.

VVD was a world record fee for a CB. An exception. 30/35 million is still big money for a centre back.

You do not need to spend world record fees to have a competent defense.

United have one of the worst defenses in the league, while playing some of the most defensive football in the league. It's extraordinary incompetence.

Harry Palmr · 18-12-2018 11:30AM

Supporters should now turn their fire on Woodward. You've got half a season to get the club sorted properly.

18-12-2018 11:30AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

If it ends up as one of these I am done with the club until Woodward goes. Would be the stupidest thing I could imagine.

Wouldn’t surprise me though!

fatherted1969 · 18-12-2018 11:30AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

If you actually watched the football the first two years you would have known trouble was ahead. Aimless in possession - the second leg against Sevilla (and indeeed the whole tie) last season was a crystallisation of how the game had passed him by.

It was over early this season and shouldn’t have been allowed to go on as long as it did.

I do understand those making Mourinho a hill to die on in this thread. He was the ‘break glass in case of emergency’ appointment. Him failing raises troubling questions and - a half decade on - Utd’s baseline has been fully reset. The appointment this summer is vital, as is figuring out a stable player acquisition strategy. May you live in interesting times.

I think any manager who gets sacked can be seen as a failure and in the last few months as it winds down we can all forget that in his time at the club he did deliver albeit not a championship winning team. Plenty of fans would be delighted with his trophies over the last 3 seasons, Liverpool and Spurs spring to mind. Wasn't the type of football I'd like and he was a manager I never wanted in the club but in the interim while we rebuild he delivered trophies and I am grateful for that. Next appointment is crucial and I don't care if it's a name ive never heard of as long as it's right

deaddonkey15 · 18-12-2018 11:30AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Because two CBs is actually **** all and neother was actually big money in this era. Both combined cost less than VVD.

Woodward needs to move with the times now. When your rivals are spending more on fullbacks than you do on midfielders and breaking records on goalies and centre backs, you need to move away from the mindset above. Especially when you have so much money.

Fred cost roughly the same as Kyle Walker and Mourinho couldn't find a place for him in the team. Pogba was a world record transfer and people just call it a commercial signing.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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