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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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    #1172
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    For those who think the Nordies shouldn't have been involved in the eviction -

    Do you think there should have been an eviction in the first place? At least try answer that please.


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    #1173
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The truth? Yeah. That's fine.

    Ya its as black and white as that isnt it...


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    #1174
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    amcalester wrote: »
    Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

    I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

    The eviction was because they own money to the bank.


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    #1175
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    stevielink wrote: »
    Regardless of whether it was a beating, an assault or roughly moving someone off a property, a complaint was made to the Gardai at the scene about an assault (the video shows a man on the ground with several men over him), and the Gardai didn't intervene. Why not?
    If a complaint is made to Gardai they must do something.

    "the guy got a beating ".

    " the video shows no beating"

    " yeah well that's irrelevant "

    Such horse****.

    And no if the Gardai are looking at something happening and are satisfied all is in order, they should do anything just because a member of the public yells them too. If it was the other we around and the person was arrested you'd be whinging the Gardai were doing the bidding of private security.


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    #1176
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Ya its as black and white as that isnt it...

    Yes it is. People refuse to leave the banks house. Bank has them removed.


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    #1177
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    "the guy got a beating ".

    " the video shows no beating"

    " yeah well that's irrelevant "

    Such horse****.

    And no if the Gardai are looking at something happening and are satisfied all is in order, they should do anything just because a member of the public yells them too. If it was the other we around and the person was arrested you'd be whinging the Gardai were doing the bidding of private security.

    Will you go way man you cant see the Forrest for the trees, talking nonsense.


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    #1178
    stevielink
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭stevielink


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bit of a sweeping statement. If the Garda is watching and in his opinion the law isn't being broken then how or why should he intervene? If someone is trespassing and are told to leave I don't think too many courts will convict someone for removing them without harm.

    so you're telling me that if one person is physically assaulting/manhandling/touching another person and that person doesnt want to be assaulted/manhandled/touched, then it's a case of tough sh*t, suck it up?

    That's just crazy. Sure then there's no-one out there to protect us at all in that case.


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    #1179
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

    The eviction was because they own money to the bank.

    Yup, I'm well aware of that.

    Was just wondering if the level of fine/charges owed to Revenue by this guy were comparable to other settlements.

    It gives an indication of his levels of cooperation when he owes money.

    If he didnt engage with Revenue, then I doubt he was too forthcoming with KBC.


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    #1180
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    stevielink wrote: »
    so you're telling me that if one person is physically assaulting/manhandling/touching another person and that person doesnt want to be assaulted/manhandled/touched, then it's a case of tough sh*t, suck it up?

    That's just crazy. Sure then there's no-one out there to protect us at all in that case.

    If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?


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    #1181
    STB.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    This has absolutely nothing to do with the eviction. That is money owed to the taxman.

    The eviction was because they own money to the bank.

    Tell that to the same eejit who keeps bringing up the issue and calling them "scumbags".
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

    Yes.


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    #1182
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    nd protect him because, you know, the famine.

    Anyone who sides with this guy should never complain about exhorbitant bank interest in this country again. Because of cases like this, no foreign bank will come into the market and the indigenous ones are free to add another 2% onto law-abiding people because that will compensate them for tulips like this guy.


    Have you got a link to where this is actually evaluated. I mean a proper explanation of the figures involve.


    How come when there were very few repossessions in the past that the interest rates were still very high?


    I think Irish consumers are suffering exorbitant bank charges and interest rates because the banks can get away.


    AIB made in the first 6 months profits of 726 million, BOI 500 million in 2018, they are making money hand over fist.



    The story that some how our interest are high because of repossession problems does not in my mind add up. It is just an excuse to gouge Irish people.


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    #1183
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    amcalester wrote: »
    Yup, I'm well aware of that.

    Was just wondering if the level of fine/charges owed to Revenue by this guy were comparable to other settlements.

    It gives an indication of his levels of cooperation when he owes money.

    If he didnt engage with Revenue, then I doubt he was too forthcoming with KBC.

    I'd say you are correct.


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    #1184
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    For those who think the Nordies shouldn't have been involved in the eviction -

    Do you think there should have been an eviction in the first place? At least try answer that please.


    Yes as a very last resort. I'd have to be thoroughly satisfied that every option was taken to get a workable solution, not just to get them out.

    But who among us would evict anyone two weeks before Christmas ???

    And also who among us would send a crowd wearing Rangers jerseys into a Celtic pub to deal with Celtic fan ???


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    #1185
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    So a group of elderly people in hoc to some vulture bank and were trying to repay the loan as best they can were forcibly evicted by a shower of Loyalist mercenaries and people ended up battering the hired thugs?

    Good. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully opportunistic scumbags who bash old people on behalf of bankers will take note.


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    #1186
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    As a side note, to diffuse the tension, cal we all agree that strokestown is a funny name?


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    #1187
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?
    STB. wrote: »

    Yes.

    So if force is allowed to remove people who trespass, what's the problem here?


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    #1188
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    FTA69 wrote: »
    So a group of elderly people
    Are we still claiming this :D


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    #1189
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    Are we still claiming this :D

    Well in fairness, it's as true as the rest of the post


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    #1190
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Are these the same balaclava wearing mob that evicted those people from the house in Dublin?


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    #1191
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    amcalester wrote: »
    Do you have a breakdown of the figure?

    I’d be curious as to how much is the original underpayment and how much is interest/fines.

    Fine = 100% amount owed


    https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf


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    #1192
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,157 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    venusdoom wrote: »
    Really sad for the future reading this thread, no wonder the country is as corrupt and money grabbing as it is going by some of the posts.

    The only money grabbing I see is from the individual who took out a loan and hasn't paid it back, under declared his VAT that he owed revenue and ran up debts with local businesses.
    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I lost two houses in the crash. I didn't kick up a stink. I was very ill at the time and unable to work. I was too sick to sort out getting people to rent the houses. I had both of them rented before I got sick. I was out of action for four years and ended up owing the bank 19 k with nothing to show for it. I paid it off and I'm getting on with my life. I was lucky in the end though because I got letters and emails from the bank telling me that I was 'pre-approved' for another €270k mortgage, if I'd have taken them up on that things would have been so much worse for me financially. If that had of happened I'd be blaming the bank because they were trying to push me into it.

    Yes but you were firstly sensible that you didn't totally overborrow and then when you did run into trouble you didn't double down and refuse to give up the securing assets.

    Yes the bank were trying to convince you, they were salespeople after all, but you had sense enough to not be taken in.
    You had what some of us call "personal responsibility".

    And I hope you are back on your feet both financially and health wise.
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    If any of ye knew the history of Strokestown and the area in relation to evictions during the 19th century you would understand the strong feelings of a family being turned out of their home (owing money or not)

    People don't forget these things in rural areas.

    I come from the worse famine struck area, Mayo.
    You can still see the traces.

    But that in no fooking way excuses some fooker down the road welching on their debts, bad debts whose cost is then carried by other customers of that same institution.
    Fook that for a game of cowboys.

    This is yet another example of the "we won't pay, we are entitled to what we want" hitching their bandwagon to some cause celebre only to discover they are a septic chancer.
    Remember to poor elderly couple turfed out of their home in Dalkey, you know the ones that nearly 20 odd properties that were paying for. :rolleyes:

    Of course in this case the added bonus is provo wantabees are having wet dreams about beating up loyalists neanderthals.


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    #1193
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,157 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Cupatae wrote: »
    I love how all the people on here instantly side with the banks, people have short memories..recession anyone?

    Maybe it is because we are "the banks".
    The decent honest customers of the banks are the ones that suffer when leeching feckers screw the bank.

    Who do you think carries the can for non performing loans, bad debts?
    Do you think that they miraculously disappear up a bank managers ar**?
    Do you think the shareholders stick their hands in their pockets ?

    No the cost is carried by the banks customers somewhere along the line.
    simongurnick wrote: »
    Nonsense. How many people ditched their homes in the states during sub prime. Paddy nothing.

    You see the difference between there and here is that they did ditch their homes, over here people thought they could hang onto their homes but ditch their debts. :rolleyes:
    Billcarson wrote: »
    Are you having a laugh. Revolution for what? Homelessness, health service, families being stretched to the limit, ever rising cost of living etc etc . That's my opinion and I'm sure many feel the same about the way this country is ruin

    FFS the shinners, provos and lefties always love an old bit of social upheaval.

    And what solutions do they offer ?
    Violence, score settling and perhaps the magic money tree will provide for everyone. :rolleyes:


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    #1194
    stevielink
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭stevielink


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If I trespass onto your property, are you allowed to assault/manhandle/touch/push me out of there?

    not as far as i'm aware, no. If however you were in my house where my kids were alseep then yes I will do whatever is necessary.

    that's not the same as manhandling someone at the front gate of a property within 2 feet of 2 Gardai who's assistance was requested but denied.


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    #1195
    Caliden
    Registered Users Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Are these the same balaclava wearing mob that evicted those people from the house in Dublin?

    Good chance they are.

    KBC were the bank involved there too.


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    #1196
    stevielink
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭stevielink


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    So if force is allowed to remove people who trespass, what's the problem here?

    but what law says that you are allowed to assault someone in your front garden? Can i do that to the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility sompany sales reps?


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    #1197
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Fine = 100% amount owed


    https://static.rasset.ie/documents/business/defaulters-list2-june2015.pdf

    That's what happens when you defraud revenue then dick them around.


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    #1198
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    stevielink wrote: »
    not as far as i'm aware, no. If however you were in my house where my kids were alseep then yes I will do whatever is necessary.

    that's not the same as manhandling someone at the front gate of a property within 2 feet of 2 Gardai who's assistance was requested but denied.

    But seriously though, if someone won't leave a property peacefully on foot of a court order, how on earth are you supposed to get them to leave if you can't force them out?


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    #1199
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    Are we still claiming this :D

    Right I'm 50 next year so I'll be heading to the Post Office to get my pension because I will then be elderly !!!!


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    #1200
    Thatnastyboy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Thatnastyboy


    FTA69 wrote: »
    So a group of elderly people in hoc to some vulture bank and were trying to repay the loan as best they can were forcibly evicted by a shower of Loyalist mercenaries and people ended up battering the hired thugs?

    Good. Fair play to all involved. Hopefully opportunistic scumbags who bash old people on behalf of bankers will take note.

    So a man in his 50s and older siblings were repeatedly requested to vacate a property that had been given up as collateral for a loan - they refused to vacate. As the loan was not being maintained, the lender decided to call in the security freely placed against the loan.

    Poor, poor form to all involved. Hopefully people will consider the potential repercussions for non performance before entering into a legal agreement.


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    #1201
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    stevielink wrote: »
    but what law says that you are allowed to assault someone in your front garden? Can i do that to the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility sompany sales reps?

    I didn't realise there was a court order telling the postman/the leaflet delivery person/utility company sales reps to vacate your property.


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