Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 01:35AM

kurtainsider wrote: »

. Let's call it what it was.

Fair enough. Utter horse****.

17-12-2018 01:35AM

kurtainsider wrote: »

No - it's not tongue in cheek at all. Let's call it what it was.

Ok. Utter hyperbole.

17-12-2018 01:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah makes total sense to kick people out of their homes during an accommodation crisis. Especially the elderly.

Question. What qualifies as elderly?

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 01:37AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah makes total sense to kick people out of their homes during an accommodation crisis. Especially the elderly.

**** me. The elderly stuff again. It's been said and no one has disputed it, that the people are in their 50s and early 60s . Elderly my hole.

It makes less sense to allow people to keep homes they aren't paying for.

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:38AM

Fair play to the ones that went down and dished out justice to the lads in black, they were being scum "within the rules" its great to see a whole community rally and support its own. Whatever about paying mortgages the lads in black got what they were asking for, they thought the "rules" would protect them. Feel bad for the dogs tho.

Lefty Bicek · 17-12-2018 01:38AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Yet they do. You shouldn't underestimate scumbags in a "moral" frenzy by the way, easier than ever with social media to launch abuse and intimidation. Nothing is too low for some people. They'd think nothing of intimidating families and feeling they're fighting the good fight.

I agree.

So really, the state allowing disregard for regulations on some pretext of safety, is redundant.

Is it not ?

It's liable to seem a bit sinister, and it's not like the GS don't have a chronic and long-standing image problem.

kurtainsider · 17-12-2018 01:38AM

Dear All
I have no more to add to this thread except to reiterate that it wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out that sending the (ex) UDA to Strokestown to throw a family out of their home was never going to end well.

Let's just hope that both the KBC and the (ex) UDA have learned something from the exercise

gandalf · 17-12-2018 01:39AM

end of the road wrote: »

the use of security personnel in evictions, especially ones from the north who it seems are unregulated in ireland, personnel who it is alleged have or had links to extreme elements of loyalism, does on the other hand generate lots of discussion, as many are concerned by the practice, especially in a case where it looks as if it could have been forseen that there may have been issues.

Actually in all seriousness I didn't realise it was unregulated and there should be oversight on this and regulations binding these sort of services especially as they do cause tension, conflict and in some cases violence.

I also wonder who some of the outraged would accept as purveyors of this sort of service? A bunch of Polish lads? A gaggle of Dubs, some Cork Langer's?

17-12-2018 01:40AM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I agree.

So really, the state allowing disregard for regulations on some pretext of safety, is redundant.

Is it not ?

It's liable to seem a bit sinister, and it's not like the GS don't have a chronic and long-standing image problem.

Yeah that's fair. Point taken.

simongurnick · 17-12-2018 01:40AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

**** me. The elderly stuff again. It's been said and no one has disputed it, that the people are in their 50s and early 60s . Elderly my hole.

It makes less sense to allow people to keep homes they aren't paying for.

Doesn't matter what age they are. End of the day loyalists heavies intimidated local irish farmers and now they had their asses handed to them. Proper order

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:40AM

I love how all the people on here instantly side with the banks, people have short memories..recession anyone?

gandalf · 17-12-2018 01:40AM

kurtainsider wrote: »

Dear All
I have no more to add to this thread except to reiterate that it wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out that sending the (ex) UDA to Strokestown to throw a family out of their home was never going to end well.

Let's just hope that both the KBC and the (ex) UDA have learned something from the exercise

Night night Kurt, be careful the UDA are attacking LOL

Mrsmum · 17-12-2018 01:42AM

blueythebear wrote: »

The law of the land as it is today is the result of nearly 100 years of democracy in this country. The law of the land during the famine was very different. I don't know how you can compare the two.

Quite a lot of people were very annoyed with Preti Patel comments regarding using food shortages in Ireland to push for a better Brexit deal and the reason for the annoyance was the historical context of the famine and Britian's role in starving Ireland. Is it so different for the people of Strokestown, where there was a historic mass eviction called the Strokestown Massacre, to be angry at British people coming in to do this eviction.

17-12-2018 01:42AM

Cupatae wrote: »

I love how all the people on here instantly side with the banks, people have short memories..recession anyone?

All the people are siding with the banks? Have you read the thread?!

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:43AM

Omackeral wrote: »

All the people are siding with the banks? Have you read the thread?!

I meant the ones that were not all the people, i worded that wrong.

jimmycrackcorm · 17-12-2018 01:43AM

simongurnick wrote:

Fair play to the locals. Send those bastards back to Belfast.

The "bastards" were operating legally. The local vigilantes shouldn't be applauded.

STB. wrote:

Nothing has changed though Omackeral. These security guys are unregulated in ROI and they know it. Members of AGS know that too.

Can you point to the regulations? They're not bouncers in a nightclub

simongurnick · 17-12-2018 01:44AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The "bastards" were operating legally. The local vigilantes shouldn't be applauded.

Can you point to the regulations? They're not bouncers in a nightclub

Legal and moral aren't the same thing

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:46AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The "bastards" were operating legally. The local vigilantes shouldn't be applauded.

Can you point to the regulations? They're not bouncers in a nightclub

Id argue the law used in this scenario was very very selective...

gandalf · 17-12-2018 01:46AM

Cupatae wrote: »

Id argue the law used in this scenario was very very selective...

How?

riemann · 17-12-2018 01:47AM

I wonder how many lads will be signing up for the next eviction down south?

Not many I'd venture.

Guy:Incognito · 17-12-2018 01:47AM

simongurnick wrote: »

Doesn't matter what age they are.

Obviously not to the people with the adjenda, throw out "elderly " as an important part of the narrative enough times till it sticks, get corrected, then pass it off as unimportant in an attempt to bury it and everyone will still remember it as elderly people involved. More bull****.

17-12-2018 01:48AM

riemann wrote: »

I wonder how many lads will be signing up for the next eviction down south?

Not many I'd venture.

I wonder how banks will look at lending to farmers?

This isn't the first time this type of thing has happened.

expectationlost · 17-12-2018 01:48AM

the_syco wrote: »

Unknown. The poster didn't expand, thus I said alleged.
But on page 41 of https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/foodindustrydevelopmenttrademarkets/agri-foodandtheeconomy/foodharvest2020/2020FoodHarvestEng240810.pdf it mentions that "the dairy sector in the medium to long term are positive", and that "the industry at all levels must engage on alternative options for financing the expansion in capacity to process anticipated volume growth" would seem to mean that farmers should expand their capacity to process the anticipated volume? Fairly sure the price of milk then tanked.

they has quota restrictions on milk which were lifted in 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_quota presumably that was planned thing and it known prices could drop

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:49AM

gandalf wrote: »

How?

Have you read the article and watched the video? its fairly obvious...

blueythebear · 17-12-2018 01:49AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Quite a lot of people were very annoyed with Preti Patel comments regarding using food shortages in Ireland to push for a better Brexit deal and the reason for the annoyance was the historical context of the famine and Britian's role in starving Ireland. Is it so different for the people of Strokestown, where there was a historic mass eviction called the Strokestown Massacre, to be angry at British people coming in to do this eviction.

My post was in response to something else entirely but I can understand that people might get annoyed about Northern Irish security personnel carrying out evictions. I personally think it's ridiculous but I can understand others have a different view.

However, the historical context from over 150 years to what was a legal eviction today, is not an excuse for what ensued last night. Totally wrong and totally illegal. You want to challenge an eviction, go to Court. THere are mechanisms in place to deal with this type of thing.

end of the road · 17-12-2018 01:50AM

the_syco wrote: »

The state told them to leave. They didn't leave. Thus, they lost the protection of the state. You receive the protection of the state when you follow the law.

this is not correct. you receive the protection of the state regardless of whether you follow the law or not. therefore they did not lose the protection of the state when they didn't leave.

gandalf wrote: »

Roflol UDA attack! First it was "the famine made me do it" and now we have the classic "UDA attack".

The guys did not pay their way on a debt, the bank foreclosed, they didn't feck off and the bank forcibly removed them under the watch of the Gardai. What did they expect from the sheriff and his sub contractors a lap dance and a handjob!

well, certainly not being manhandled by unregulated hired goons, who if the claims about them are true, may be, or have been in the past, a potential threat to the state, as the belief system they are alleged to have been, or are alleged to be allied to, does not think very much of the irish state or irish people.

simongurnick · 17-12-2018 01:50AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Obviously not to the people with the adjenda, throw out "elderly " as an important part of the narrative enough times till it sticks, get corrected, then pass it off as unimportant in an attempt to bury it and everyone will still remember it as elderly people involved. More bull****.

No need for bull****. Let's keep it clear. Loyalist thugs evicting anyone from their homes is not on and I'm glad to see these locals not standing for it.

Cupatae · 17-12-2018 01:50AM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I wonder how banks will look at lending to farmers?

This isn't the first time this type of thing has happened.

I wonder what will happen the banks when they try to go head to head with farmers and average people, be interesting to see how long the banks last..

noodler · 17-12-2018 01:51AM

It's looking more and more like this standard enough, if unsavoury, act of repossession is being hijacked by by Dodgey republican elements latching onto where the security staff were from.

Since it changes nothing and is all a bit of bravado in the end, you have to concur actually doing a whip around for the mortgage at any stage over the last couple of years would have been the really community focused action.

eagle eye · 17-12-2018 01:51AM

riemann wrote:

I wonder how many lads will be signing up for the next eviction down south?
Not many I'd venture.

They are thugs, they'll sign up again.

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