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13-12-2018 02:17PM

Zzippy wrote: »

American democracy is already broken and sold to the highest bidder.

Trump won't be successfully impeached - the Republican Senate will see to that. Half of them are compromised too. I don't think Trump will do a second term, but I don't think he'll go to prison either. Whether he does or not, it will be very interesting in the end to see what Mueller has, and what really went down. A lot of lesser people than Trump will probably be in big trouble when it all comes out in the wash, including his family.

It is and many established norms and processes have been broken in recent years. Business and politics are joined at the hip in most places but in the US there is virtually nothing to distinguish them.

Still though, a known felon escaping justice due to holding a political office would be a completely new departure. Whilst the law isn't always applied in America and people escape justice by not being caught, Trump has been caught and if he was to evade justice he needed to do it before there was an investigation and certainly before there were convictions.

I think it's more likely that he'll relocate to escape justice at this point than he'll just get away with it.

He's also really pissed off the FBI. If he had less hubris he'd have started running by now. I've no doubt he thinks republicans will protect him but I think they'll bide their time but primary him and then nuke him from orbit once they can take credit for his downfall and distance themselves from him.

He's going to jail.

stephen_n · 13-12-2018 02:44PM

I don't believe for one second he will go to jail, America just won't allow that to happen. It will be tied up until the next election cycle, he won't run again and some form of deal will be struck in the background to make it all go away.

13-12-2018 02:50PM

I'll eat a hat of your choosing and stream it live

13-12-2018 03:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll eat a hat of your choosing and stream it live

At some point before 2022, Trump will be in handcuffs on TV. Here is the hat:

Zzippy · 13-12-2018 04:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At some point before 2022, Trump will be in handcuffs on TV. Here is the hat:

No more selfies please, you massive d*ckhead!

stephen_n · 13-12-2018 04:50PM

Zzippy wrote: »

No more selfies please, you massive d*ckhead!

They’re not massive ....

stephen_n · 16-12-2018 08:43PM

Roscommon is revolting, that’s a bit insane really. Will be interesting to see if there are any arrests.

Sirius Boner · 17-12-2018 09:58AM

stephen_n wrote: »

Roscommon is revolting, that’s a bit insane really. Will be interesting to see if there are any arrests.

Eviction with supposed UVF heavies followed by battle with baseball wielding thugs...possible paramilitary involvement at that end too

Buer · 17-12-2018 10:00AM

Nobody comes out of it well. Thugs dealing with thugs.

thomond2006 · 17-12-2018 10:08AM

The poor dog. I hope the effer(s) who did that rot. Sociopathic behaviour.

Buer · 17-12-2018 11:01AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

The poor dog. I hope the effer(s) who did that rot. Sociopathic behaviour.

I doubt they're too bothered, to be honest. People who show up in a large group with weapons with the intention of assault and arson aren't known for their scruples.

It's interesting to see the different opinions on the whole story depending on which outlet or forum you're reading for the information. It's a situation where none involved are coming off well and will be used as a political vehicle for people to piggyback their opinions.

Squidgy Black · 17-12-2018 11:25AM

Buer wrote: »

I doubt they're too bothered, to be honest. People who show up in a large group with weapons with the intention of assault and arson aren't known for their scruples.

It's interesting to see the different opinions on the whole story depending on which outlet or forum you're reading for the information. It's a situation where none involved are coming off well and will be used as a political vehicle for people to piggyback their opinions.

I've seen two types of reports so far, first being that it was a group of subcontracted loyalist paramilitaries who came down and the farmers stood up to their aggression and 'took back what was theirs'.

And the other being the bank sent in to lawfully evict someone who defaulted on their mortgage, and they were viciously attacked by a group of farmers and locals.

It'll be spun to suit multiple different political views.

stephen_n · 17-12-2018 11:48AM

It’s understandable the banks using security firms from the north to do this kind of work. Surely be to god though they would have done a background check on who they hire? There is obviously a lot more to this story than is currently in the public domain though.

Squatter · 17-12-2018 11:59AM

Buer wrote: »

I doubt they're too bothered, to be honest. People who show up in a large group with weapons with the intention of assault and arson aren't known for their scruples.

It's interesting to see the different opinions on the whole story depending on which outlet or forum you're reading for the information. It's a situation where none involved are coming off well and will be used as a political vehicle for people to piggyback their opinions.

Yep.

Generally speaking, Rugby folk will respect the referee (in this case the Courts) whereas most GAA and soccer lovers will allow their emotions to hold sway.

Buer · 17-12-2018 12:19PM

stephen_n wrote: »

It’s understandable the banks using security firms from the north to do this kind of work. Surely be to god though they would have done a background check on who they hire? There is obviously a lot more to this story than is currently in the public domain though.

I think a good chunk is out there already athough the major outlets aren't reporting on it in terms of the background of those evicted.

I'd agree it's understandable to use a northern security firm (although I don't think that should be the process for such cases) but what a clusterf*ck. They were hired thugs and behaved as such. Whilst I've seen no evidence of them being involved in any paramilitary organisation, it would fairly easy to believe. It would be equally easy to believe that, of the dozens of "locals" who showed up to the house with balaclavas and baseball bats, a large portion of them also had some dubious links.

Buer · 17-12-2018 12:21PM

Squatter wrote: »

Yep.

Generally speaking, Rugby folk will respect the referee (in this case the Courts) whereas most GAA and soccer lovers will allow their emotions to hold sway.

Now that is an ironic username.

Sirius Boner · 17-12-2018 12:29PM

stephen_n wrote: »

It’s understandable the banks using security firms from the north to do this kind of work. Surely be to god though they would have done a background check on who they hire? There is obviously a lot more to this story than is currently in the public domain though.

I'm not au fait with the insurance and outs.. but did KBC sell the debt onto a third party?

awec · 17-12-2018 01:22PM

There were figures in the paper this morning and it's not good looking for those that were trying to paint this as an elderly pauper being cruely evicted.

The individual in question owes taxpayers about half a million, and a local business 18 grand. There's a 100% penalty from Revenue in there, which means he was caught deliberately avoiding paying his tax and then deliberately not cooperating with Revenue.

17-12-2018 01:55PM

awec wrote: »

There were figures in the paper this morning and it's not good looking for those that were trying to paint this as an elderly pauper being cruely evicted.

The individual in question owes taxpayers about half a million, and a local business 18 grand. There's a 100% penalty from Revenue in there, which means he was caught deliberately avoiding paying his tax and then deliberately not cooperating with Revenue.

People are in a greater hurry than ever to paint situations with their own agenda and be outraged. It's only pure common sense to wait until details are released and form an opinion at that point, but that common sense seems to escape a growing % of the population these days.

Buer · 17-12-2018 02:00PM

I never knew that being in your fifties was considered elderly.

stephen_n · 17-12-2018 02:06PM

Buer wrote: »

I never knew that being in your fifties was considered elderly.

Depends on what age you are, my kids think I’m elderly and I’m 46

stephen_n · 17-12-2018 02:07PM

Sirius Boner wrote: »

I'm not au fait with the insurance and outs.. but did KBC sell the debt onto a third party?

I don’t know haven’t seen much of the background about the debt and or any interaction with the creditors. Just the independent TD for the area using highly emotive language in the Dail and the FF TD sitting on the fence.

mfceiling · 17-12-2018 03:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People are in a greater hurry than ever to paint situations with their own agenda and be outraged. It's only pure common sense to wait until details are released and form an opinion at that point, but that common sense seems to escape a growing % of the population these days.

It's the "it was on facebook so it's gospel".

To me most of the stuff written on facebook is similar to what should be written on the walls of a cow shed in shìte.

swiwi_ · 17-12-2018 08:57PM

Everyone here keeps wishing me to have a BJ.

*Bonne journée

Sirius Boner · 17-12-2018 09:10PM

Made me giggle anyways

18-12-2018 10:24AM

UK Parliament in absolute melt down. There is in effect, no functioning Government.

Zzippy · 18-12-2018 10:58AM

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UK Parliament in absolute melt down. There is in effect, no functioning Government.

There is, in effect, no functioning opposition either.

Squidgy Black · 18-12-2018 10:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

UK Parliament in absolute melt down. There is in effect, no functioning Government.

There's going to be a second referendum. I can feel it.

May passes a vote of no-confidence, but takes a hit as 1/3rd vote to kick her out, then she pushes out the vote on the bill to within 2 months of the deadline, Cabinet are saying well f this we're preparing for a no-deal anyways, and Corbyn has called for another vote of no-confidence only a week after she passed the last one.

troyzer · 18-12-2018 11:10AM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

There's going to be a second referendum. I can feel it.

May passes a vote of no-confidence, but takes a hit as 1/3rd vote to kick her out, then she pushes out the vote on the bill to within 2 months of the deadline, Cabinet are saying well f this we're preparing for a no-deal anyways, and Corbyn has called for another vote of no-confidence only a week after she passed the last one.

There will not be a second referendum until Labour at the very least throw their support behind it, which they haven't done yet. Corbyn is really getting on my tits. He's clearly eurosceptic and doesn't care that his party isn't, including the grassroots which supported him in the contest.

In any case, I can see Parliament taking power off May and declaring their intent to ask the EU to extend article 50. If May doesn's ****, she needs to get off the pot and I think Parliament will be unwilling to tolerate her procrastinating bull**** for much longer.

troyzer · 18-12-2018 11:12AM

Opposition MPs and Tory backbenchers looking at Corbyn.

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