Tina Cahill sentenced to eight years

ChikiChiki · 12-12-2018 03:21PM

King of Kings wrote: »

She had a previous conviction for assaulting him and witness state she wanted to teach him a lesson with the knife used to kill him.

Yet he is the bad guy who affected her mental health..ffs

A joke of a sentence. I'll.bet had the genders been reversed he'd have done serious time.

By all accounts he was a rough individual with pevious form. Both as bad as each other in my opinion. From what I have heard about this guy, I have little sympathy.

tritium · 12-12-2018 03:26PM

backspin. wrote: »

It seems he was attacking some other guy in the flat the night Tina Cahill stabbed him too.

Sounds like a violent fecker.

I think that’s accepted. It’s generally agreed both of them were violent ****ers. This is the evidence given to-the court about the night in question

They parted, before Ms Cahill, two female friends and Matthew Hyde, a man they had socialised with at one of the pubs, arrived back at the Padstow address where Mr Walsh was either asleep or partially asleep on a couch.

Soon after, Mr Walsh repeatedly attacked Mr Hyde wanting to know who he was and, during the ensuing chaos, Ms Cahill screamed: “Stop it Davey, get off, get off ... he’s with Grace.”

She tried to get a grip of her fiance’s arms when he swung his arm back and she fell to the ground, the facts said.

She moved towards him and punched him in the face with a closed fist, before Mr Walsh pushed her again and tried to punch her in the face.

Eventually, “the offender opened and closed the cutlery drawer quickly taking out a large, very sharp, bladed knife”.

One witness said over and over again “put it back” but Ms Cahill replied: “No, he needs to be taught a lesson. It’s not fair. Look at poor Matthew.”

(from the Irish times)

Hardly a kill or be killed self defence scenario

Deebles McBeebles · 12-12-2018 03:36PM

Drunk scumbags have fight.

In other news, earth still rotating on its axis.

Ultimate Seduction · 12-12-2018 08:50PM

backspin. wrote: »

It seems he was attacking some other guy in the flat the night Tina Cahill stabbed him too.

Sounds like a violent fecker.

She attacked him numerous times before. He had to take out a protection order against her. She stabbed him to death with a big sharp knife but ya hes the one you call violent. Presume you're a female.

trixiebust · 12-12-2018 08:53PM

Cina wrote: »

Damn, he's really gone downhill since his Everton days hasn't he?

The reason I clicked in tbh.

Tin Foil Hat · 12-12-2018 09:45PM

tritium wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tina-cahill-sentenced-to-eight-years-for-killing-controlling-fianc-37618597.html

Just being reported. Mixed feelings tbh. On the one hand it’s on paper a decent stretch, on the other I can’t help but feel there’s been a significant media attempt to focus on her victims violent behaviour and to an extent ignore hers. It kind of feels that this ending was inevitable for one of them though.

Cahill's earliest release date will be in February 2022 when she is expected to be deported to Ireland

Any chance we can appeal?

Reviews and Books Galore · 12-12-2018 10:13PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

She attacked him numerous times before. He had to take out a protection order against her. She stabbed him to death with a big sharp knife but ya hes the one you call violent. Presume you're a female.

More men than women would think that she was justified and jump on the bandwagon.

Women hang around women more and know all the varying levels of good and bad :P

Gael23 · 13-12-2018 11:40AM

There are no winners in this case. A long jail sentence won’t change that for anyone concerned. Her life had been ruined no matter how long she got. Not to mention both sets of parents.

seamus · 13-12-2018 11:48AM

tritium wrote: »

Hardly a kill or be killed self defence scenario

Sure, but it's also very far removed from (say) stabbing him in his sleep.

There was an attack happening, instigated by the deceased, who was violent against anyone attempting to stop him.

One person is permitted to defend another, so whether Cahill though she was defending herself or another (or everyone), is kind of irrelevant. Whether she thought Walsh was going to kill anyone, is also not that relevant. If you kill someone in self-defence, you don't have to prove that they were trying to kill you.

The question really is about intent, and whether it was her intention to kill/seriously injure him, or simply to stop his attack.

Which lands us where we are. I can't say I agree with the verdict (I haven't enough information to say), but you can see that it's far from a clear-cut case of murder.

Gael23 · 13-12-2018 12:09PM

It was a moment of madness with fatal consequences I think Seamus.

Dr Devious · 13-12-2018 12:19PM

The pair of them were hardly the best ambassadors to have left the country, what goes around around comes around. Going by the media picture of him, how many times had he that nose broken? Its nearly at a 45 degree angle, its got so many clouts.

tritium · 13-12-2018 12:22PM

seamus wrote: »

Sure, but it's also very far removed from (say) stabbing him in his sleep.

There was an attack happening, instigated by the deceased, who was violent against anyone attempting to stop him.

One person is permitted to defend another, so whether Cahill though she was defending herself or another (or everyone), is kind of irrelevant. Whether she thought Walsh was going to kill anyone, is also not that relevant. If you kill someone in self-defence, you don't have to prove that they were trying to kill you.

The question really is about intent, and whether it was her intention to kill/seriously injure him, or simply to stop his attack.

Which lands us where we are. I can't say I agree with the verdict (I haven't enough information to say), but you can see that it's far from a clear-cut case of murder.

Given we have pre meditation, based on calmly taking the knife in spite of being advised repeatedly to put it down. The stated intention to teach him a lesson. The evidence of several violent episodes by her in the past (including an attempted stabbing of the victim previously), I’d say it’s a bit more clear cut than you imply. I do get in the circumstances why it’s easier to accept the manslaughter plea but I find Cahill’s attempt to play the victim a bit nauseating tbh.

professore · 13-12-2018 01:40PM

Study after study shows that by far and away the most common form of domestic violence is reciprocal, where both partners assault each other. This is never the narrative we get in the media though.

In fact the first domestic violence shelter in the UK was set up for both male and female victims of domestic violence by Erin Pizzey, who had two violent parents herself. She was later demonised by mainstream feminists.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1215464/Why-I-loathe-feminism---believe-ultimately-destroy-family.html

(Don't like the Daily Mail but has her personal account)

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/domestic-violence-is-most-commonly-reciprocal/C5432B0C6F8F61B49A4E2B60B931FA07

http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/children/childabuse/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-various-studies-find/2366/

My mum hit my dad several times, once with a tongs and broke his thumb. Also constantly verbally abused him. He never laid a finger on her.

Pauliedragon · 13-12-2018 01:50PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

She attacked him numerous times before. He had to take out a protection order against her. She stabbed him to death with a big sharp knife but ya hes the one you call violent. Presume you're a female.

Cops over there will often take out an AVO on someone's behalf even if the person doesn't want it. He might not necessarily have taken the order out himself.

elstingeo · 13-12-2018 01:52PM

A terribly sad case with a loss of life and the young woman’s life is ruined. There is probably more than meets the eye here to be fair. I would have the opinion that regardless of what’s going on, it is still not justified to take someone’s life. What really stood out was the fact she wanted to teach him a lesson etc. and the evidence of problems from both sides.

I would guess that there marriage was a far cry from healthy or happy and that the two could of been violent to one another.

I wonder if she can even realise the errors of her ways and be reformed or what..?

Mysterypunter · 13-12-2018 01:58PM

elstingeo wrote: »

A terribly sad case with a loss of life and the young woman’s life is ruined. There is probably more than meets the eye here to be fair. I would have the opinion that regardless of what’s going on, it is still not justified to take someone’s life. What really stood out was the fact she wanted to teach him a lesson etc. and the evidence of problems from both sides.

I would guess that there marriage was a far cry from healthy or happy and that the two could of been violent to one another.

I wonder if she can even realise the errors of her ways and be reformed or what..?

Reformed, can he be resurrected?

professore · 13-12-2018 02:13PM

The reporting of this and other cases like it is extremely biased.

I can't remember a case where a woman was convicted of murdering someone - and murder, not manslaughter - where there wasn't sympathy and excuses made for her. I equally can't remember a case where a man murdered someone and there was any sympathy or excuses made for him.

The extenuating circumstances and the defence case are always gone into great detail when it's a woman on trial and never for a man. For a man it's the prosecutions case that is emphasised.

Why not just give us both and let us make up our own minds?

ChikiChiki · 13-12-2018 03:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

According to the killer making her defence. The only evidence in the piece to say he was violent was hers, given as defence. Hardly inviolable

Common knowledge in Sydney

castletownman · 13-12-2018 05:17PM

Dr Devious wrote: »

The pair of them were hardly the best ambassadors to have left the country, what goes around around comes around. Going by the media picture of him, how many times had he that nose broken? Its nearly at a 45 degree angle, its got so many clouts.

And he had that universal "tongue slightly out of the mouth" smile of a thug.

Pauliedragon · 13-12-2018 06:54PM

They were both violent it seems. A few hours before she stabbed him he smashed a glass off a guys head in a pub. He was insanely jealous according to her defence yet she brought a strange guy back to their house. She must have known he would react badly to that so to me that's intentional provocation. It's about 30k from Bondi to Padstow so she had plenty of time to think about what might happen.

Tina Cahill sentenced to eight years

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