Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

An Ciarraioch · 12-12-2018 01:53PM

Rather dramatic shift in NI trade - exports to GB have fallen for the first time on record (by almost £3 billion), while sales to the Republic have risen by £540m:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-exports-to-britain-plunge-by-20-and-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

hill16bhoy · 12-12-2018 01:56PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Hearrrrrrrrrr hearrrrrrrrrr

I know pmqs is mostly theatre, but this is pure pantomime.

British politics at the moment is like a giant production of Keeping Up Appearances with Theresa May as Mrs. Bucket.

Then there are a load of other assorted other comedy characters thrown in.

Boris Johnson is Basil Fawlty.
Nigel Farage is Alan Partridge.
David Davis is David Brent.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is Jeeves.
Michael Gove is Del Boy.
Dominic Raab is Rodney.

Fintan O'Toole must be running out of pop-cultural references for his articles at this stage so he can feel free to steal this one.

EKRIUQ · 12-12-2018 02:23PM

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

farmchoice · 12-12-2018 02:29PM

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

it really is quite extraordinary, it seems to some kind of innate British superiority complex.

devnull · 12-12-2018 02:30PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7959113/brexit-deal-latest-david-davis-dominic-raab-alternative/

Davis, Raab and Foster have invented some new unicorns!

All these politicians in the UK and none of them have a basic command of English.

It seems they do not understand what the word 'deal' means:
an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.

The Brexiteers seem to be of the opinion
We Want Something.
We Say Something.
We Get Something.

The arrogance is outstanding, it's like they just cannot accept that when you are negotiating something, you can't just hold the guns to someones head and tell them 'hey, take your medicine we force feed down your throat' which is the approach that they are going through now.

It's only a deal if two parties agree to it, otherwise it's a proposal, the lack of any kind of basic negotiating skills is completely embarrassing for the average British person who did not vote to be poorer or to lose their job or to see their cost of living go up whilst the rich put a bonfire on workers rights.

Being serious though, it's obvious what their game is, set up some unreasonable demands that the leavers want but are not achievable, the EU obviously is going to reject it and there you will have a No Deal outcome which is exactly what they want.

The British people are being played for a fool and Raab and Davis are only too happy to go along with it by manufacturing a scenario in a cloak and dagger way, using the leavers fury and misinformation in order to further an agenda, the whole thing is sick and in years to come when the UK is suffering badly, history will show them as committing treason against their country.

devnull · 12-12-2018 02:32PM

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

They are completely deluded to be fair, none of them has the slightest clue about Ireland or Northern Ireland for that matter and they seem to think that they want something, they say something and they get it. They want to bully the other side into what they want as their arrogance doesn't allow them to think any other way.

lawred2 · 12-12-2018 02:33PM

sjb25 wrote: »

The prime minister just said she will not leave us without food in Ireland thank god for that!!

Would you put a blockade of our supply chains past some Tories?

I wouldn't

lawred2 · 12-12-2018 02:34PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Rather dramatic shift in NI trade - exports to GB have fallen for the first time on record (by almost £3 billion), while sales to the Republic have risen by £540m:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-exports-to-britain-plunge-by-20-and-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

This is obviously project fear orchestrated by Gerry Adams

Seriously though - that's a staggering statistic. Would like to see what the DUP think of that!?

VinLieger · 12-12-2018 02:34PM

Any word on if they still plan on bringing barges across the Irish sea to help keep the lights on in NI?

Junkyard Tom · 12-12-2018 02:42PM

The DUP must feel really important swanning around the halls of power in Whitehall but they're too flegged to realise that the Tory far-right are using the backstop to engineer a 'shock therapy' crash-out.

Then you have Labour who are also courting the DUP in order to topple the Tory government so that they can apply their leftist/socialist vision for Britain.

'What a fool I was! I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland'

Edward Carson.

J Mysterio · 12-12-2018 02:45PM

Raab and Davis.. two useless idiots who couldnt negotiate their way out of a phone box, failed in the Brexit Secretary role, and have now joined forces with a new ridicuous plan! How marvelous. Then just add a pinch of Unionist madness in the form of Arlene (not even an MP) and you have the most ridiculous proposition.

Its gone past silliness into downright madness.

hill16bhoy · 12-12-2018 02:49PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Would you put a blockade of our supply chains past some Tories?

I wouldn't

How long before somebody on the Tory backbenches calls for the British Army to re-invade Ireland?

"It would solve the border problem once and for all."

Shelga · 12-12-2018 02:51PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Raab and Davis.. two useless idiots who couldnt negotiate their way out of a phone box, failed in the Brexit Secretary role, and have now joined forces with a new ridicuous plan! How marvelous. Then just add a pinch of Unionist madness in the form of Arlene (not even an MP) and you have the most ridiculous proposition.

Its gone past silliness into downright madness.

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

kunst nugget · 12-12-2018 02:53PM

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Vibes master.

VinLieger · 12-12-2018 02:54PM

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Scowler in chief also up until recently, ash inspector.

Shelga · 12-12-2018 02:54PM

Does the head of the DUP, or any party, not also have to be an elected MP?

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 02:54PM

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

She's leader of the DUP and so their members in West Minister follow her instructions.

intellectual dosser · 12-12-2018 02:55PM

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) in the north and leader of the DUP. Other party members are Westminster MPs.

Strazdas · 12-12-2018 02:56PM

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Party leader but Nigel Dodds is head of the Parliamentary party.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 02:56PM

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

Russman · 12-12-2018 02:57PM

hill16bhoy wrote: »

How long before somebody on the Tory backbenches calls for the British Army to re-invade Ireland?

"It would solve the border problem once and for all."

D'ya know, having read briefly some of the Daily Mail (yeah, I know) comments referred to in an earlier post, its almost not that far fetched !!
They really do still have the empire mentality and regard Europe as their "foes".

Mooooo · 12-12-2018 02:58PM

Tis alright joe Duffy is sorting it

goat2 · 12-12-2018 02:59PM

My own thought is,
They don't have a clue what they are doing, nothing planned, and all well paid to do a job they cannot do

Alun · 12-12-2018 03:01PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

devnull · 12-12-2018 03:05PM

Alun wrote: »

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

You don't forget Farage, he ran away from it before, came back for a little while and has vanished again.

Leroy42 · 12-12-2018 03:05PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

To which the reply will be

"Well, du'h. That's been the plan since you fecked up the last GE!"

Laois_Man · 12-12-2018 03:12PM

devnull wrote: »

You don't forget Farage, he ran away from it before, came back for a little while and has vanished again.

He's starting a new party to run in the European elections in the event that the UK is still in the EU come next May

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 03:12PM

Alun wrote: »

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

That's one opinion.
Another would be she went against her convictions in supporting membership of the EU to negotiate a deal enabling them leaving which would be least damaging to the UK while still respecting the result of the EU referendum. She then acknowledged that she was willing to become the sacrificial lamb while a new leader looked to take the country forward knowing that the finger would be pointed at her for every difficulty.

I would not be surprised if she claims later (maybe never publicly to be fair) that she never wanted to negotiate Brexit but could neither leave the country to the whim of Boris Johnson or ignore the will of the people.

McGiver · 12-12-2018 03:15PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Seriously though - that's a staggering statistic. Would like to see what the DUP think of that!?

How is it staggering?

rUK - £11.3
RoI - £3.9
rEU - £2.0
World - £4.3

RoI exports are "only" 33% of that to the rUK. EU27 exports are still only 50% of that to the rUK. Long way to go to shift the focus from the rUK to the EU and elsewhere.

rUK - 53% exports
EU27 - 27%
World - 20%

Scotland is in a similar position, actually even more dependent on the rUK trade. It would have to seriously reorient their exports to think about independence. AFAIk the figure in Scotland's case is 60%+.

El Weirdo · 12-12-2018 03:16PM

137 Tory MPs have publicly declared their support for TM. Whether they're telling the truth or not is another matter.

How many votes does she need to defeat the motion of no confidence? 150+?

Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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