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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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  • #8822
    fash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    robinph wrote: »
    I wish they would stop letting brexiteers away with saying things like "France or Germany wouldn't accept the backstop so why should the UK have to". Ian Duncan Smith was the one repeating that line today on the news.

    France or Germany are not in a situation where one region of their country is tied through non EU treaties to another country which isn't leaving. They know this and we know it, but the media keep repeating the lies for them as if it is a valid statement and so confusing the UK population who are not aware of it.

    Actually both Germany and Italy have enclaves in backstop-style relationships with Switzerland (I.e . they are within the Swiss customs Union) - if it's good enough for the Germans and Italians, why is it not good enough for the UK?


  • #8823
    fash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    listermint wrote: »
    Ireland won't be leaned on.

    That has been reiterated several times today.

    Why people persist in this nonsense is beyond me
    Long term, it would be as damaging to the EU to lean on Ireland as it would have been to allow the UK to split the 4 freedoms.


  • #8824
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Water John wrote: »
    BTW Brady 1922 Committee has asked to meet TM tomorrow??? 48.

    There were rumours earlier today that they were about to meet the number but reporters, and MPs, discounted it probably because it's been expected numerous times already.


  • #8825
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hurrache wrote: »
    There were rumours earlier today that they were about to meet the number but reporters, and MPs, discounted it probably because it's been expected numerous times already.

    Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.


  • #8826
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.

    Jaysus! Chaos is bad enough without more chaos!


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  • #8827
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.

    Seems to be the case. One person suggested she'll be applying for asylum when she lands in Dublin tomorrow.


  • #8828
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Seems to be the case. One person suggested she'll be applying for asylum when she lands in Dublin tomorrow.

    Next time she pops over she'll need a visa.


  • #8829
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Jaysus! Chaos is bad enough without more chaos!

    It'll be fine. Boris will take over and sort everything out.


  • #8830
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    https://twitter.com/SpiegelPeter/status/1072597290332930049

    Can she survive?


  • #8831
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Water John wrote: »
    People might need to learn the history of Strasbourg and how it has moved back and forth between France and Germany.

    Strasbourg is having issues of it's own (as of 2hrs ago), possibly a non-eu aspect to it, but nothing confirmed, as he hasn't be caught as of yet.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46530265


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  • #8832
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Can she survive?

    Quite possibly!


  • #8833
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SpiegelPeter/status/1072597290332930049

    Can she survive?

    I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.


  • #8834
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,840 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If the moderate MPs can agree on one alternative, she's a gonner.
    DUP have no vote in the Tories.


  • #8835
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

    Its a Tory party internal no confidence vote, she will win, but if it's close she may resign.


  • #8836
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Quite possibly!

    If she does they can't hold another vote for 12 months on her leadership.

    The whole thing beggars belief, just when you think that it can't get any more chaotic there is always something more that happens, honestly they're a laughing stock at this stage.


  • #8837
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

    It's only a vote for Tory members


  • #8838
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Here's the thing. If she survives, there can't be another heave against her for 12 months.


  • #8839
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.
    The DUP don't get to vote. Only Tory MPs.


  • #8840
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    It's only a vote for Tory members

    Of course. I was thinking of Corbyn putting down a vote. But he funked that.


  • #8841
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,840 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Maybe he happened to be correct to leave the Tories fester, esp after yesterday's chicken run.
    Lb have said it's not a question of if but when they table a no confidence motion.


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  • #8842
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Water John wrote: »
    Maybe he happened to be correct to leave the Tories fester, esp after yesterday's chicken run.
    Lb have said it's not a question of if but when they table a no confidence motion.

    Yeah, that was Yates's take on it on Newstalk today. Let them tear each other apart and then step in. But the 48 may have taken his option away depending on how the vote goes. 120 days to Brexit and the Tories are focused on party politics. Rome, Nero, fiddle etc.


  • #8843
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Of course. I was thinking of Corbyn putting down a vote. But he funked that.

    He might still. Especially now.


  • #8844
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    He might still. Especially now.

    He might indeed. That would be some mess. Two votes of no confidence at the same time.


  • #8845
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,817 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think the word 'clusterf##k' was invented just for Brexit.

    What a mess.


  • #8846
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,440 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Here's the thing. If she survives, there can't be another heave against her for 12 months.

    Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs


  • #8847
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

    There can’t be another Tory internal vote against her for 12 months. Of course she could always be toppled in a vote of no confidence in the government.


  • #8848
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

    Yeah if she wins the Tory leadership challenge then she's untouchable for a year (in theory but this is brexit after all) a parliamentary vote of no confidence can come whenever.


  • #8849
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

    Yup. According to Tory rules there can't be another vote for 12 months.


  • #8850
    intellectual dosser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭intellectual dosser


    If it were to come to a parliamentary vote would 48 + Labour + DUP + SNP do it?

    I understand some parties (DUP, maybe some ERG members) may not fancy a general election.


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  • #8851
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    intellectual dosser wrote: »
    If it were to come to a parliamentary vote would 48 + Labour + DUP + SNP do it?

    I understand some parties (DUP, maybe some ERG members) may not fancy a general election.

    Everyone against the Tories would have the numbers hence the need for the DUP's support in the first place . I believe.


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