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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Professor Moriarty

Strazdas wrote: »

Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

Yup. According to Tory rules there can't be another vote for 12 months.

LeinsterDub

Strazdas wrote: »

Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

Yeah if she wins the Tory leadership challenge then she's untouchable for a year (in theory but this is brexit after all) a parliamentary vote of no confidence can come whenever.

munsterlegend

Strazdas wrote: »

Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

There can’t be another Tory internal vote against her for 12 months. Of course she could always be toppled in a vote of no confidence in the government.

Strazdas

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Here's the thing. If she survives, there can't be another heave against her for 12 months.

Is that correct? This vote refers only to the Tory Party leadership doesn't it? It has nothing to do with the Parliament per se, only that those voting are all MPs

NIMAN

I think the word 'clusterf##k' was invented just for Brexit.

What a mess.

Professor Moriarty

LeinsterDub wrote: »

He might still. Especially now.

He might indeed. That would be some mess. Two votes of no confidence at the same time.

LeinsterDub

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Of course. I was thinking of Corbyn putting down a vote. But he funked that.

He might still. Especially now.

Professor Moriarty

Water John wrote: »

Maybe he happened to be correct to leave the Tories fester, esp after yesterday's chicken run.
Lb have said it's not a question of if but when they table a no confidence motion.

Yeah, that was Yates's take on it on Newstalk today. Let them tear each other apart and then step in. But the 48 may have taken his option away depending on how the vote goes. 120 days to Brexit and the Tories are focused on party politics. Rome, Nero, fiddle etc.

Water John

Maybe he happened to be correct to leave the Tories fester, esp after yesterday's chicken run.
Lb have said it's not a question of if but when they table a no confidence motion.

Professor Moriarty

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's only a vote for Tory members

Of course. I was thinking of Corbyn putting down a vote. But he funked that.

murphaph

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

The DUP don't get to vote. Only Tory MPs.

Professor Moriarty

Here's the thing. If she survives, there can't be another heave against her for 12 months.

LeinsterDub

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

It's only a vote for Tory members

devnull

DOCARCH wrote: »

Quite possibly!

If she does they can't hold another vote for 12 months on her leadership.

The whole thing beggars belief, just when you think that it can't get any more chaotic there is always something more that happens, honestly they're a laughing stock at this stage.

Inquitus

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

Its a Tory party internal no confidence vote, she will win, but if it's close she may resign.

Water John

If the moderate MPs can agree on one alternative, she's a gonner.
DUP have no vote in the Tories.

Professor Moriarty

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SpiegelPeter/status/1072597290332930049

Can she survive?

I can't see how. The opposition, ERG and DUP will probably vote against her.

DOCARCH

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Can she survive?

Quite possibly!

4068ac1elhodqr

Water John wrote: »

People might need to learn the history of Strasbourg and how it has moved back and forth between France and Germany.

Strasbourg is having issues of it's own (as of 2hrs ago), possibly a non-eu aspect to it, but nothing confirmed, as he hasn't be caught as of yet.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46530265

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/SpiegelPeter/status/1072597290332930049

Can she survive?

Professor Moriarty

DOCARCH wrote: »

Jaysus! Chaos is bad enough without more chaos!

It'll be fine. Boris will take over and sort everything out.

Professor Moriarty

Hurrache wrote: »

Seems to be the case. One person suggested she'll be applying for asylum when she lands in Dublin tomorrow.

Next time she pops over she'll need a visa.

Hurrache

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.

Seems to be the case. One person suggested she'll be applying for asylum when she lands in Dublin tomorrow.

DOCARCH

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.

Jaysus! Chaos is bad enough without more chaos!

Professor Moriarty

Hurrache wrote: »

There were rumours earlier today that they were about to meet the number but reporters, and MPs, discounted it probably because it's been expected numerous times already.

Lot of journalists tweeting just right now that 48 has been reached.

Hurrache

Water John wrote: »

BTW Brady 1922 Committee has asked to meet TM tomorrow??? 48.

There were rumours earlier today that they were about to meet the number but reporters, and MPs, discounted it probably because it's been expected numerous times already.

fash

listermint wrote: »

Ireland won't be leaned on.

That has been reiterated several times today.

Why people persist in this nonsense is beyond me

Long term, it would be as damaging to the EU to lean on Ireland as it would have been to allow the UK to split the 4 freedoms.

fash

robinph wrote: »

I wish they would stop letting brexiteers away with saying things like "France or Germany wouldn't accept the backstop so why should the UK have to". Ian Duncan Smith was the one repeating that line today on the news.

France or Germany are not in a situation where one region of their country is tied through non EU treaties to another country which isn't leaving. They know this and we know it, but the media keep repeating the lies for them as if it is a valid statement and so confusing the UK population who are not aware of it.

Actually both Germany and Italy have enclaves in backstop-style relationships with Switzerland (I.e . they are within the Swiss customs Union) - if it's good enough for the Germans and Italians, why is it not good enough for the UK?

Water John

People might need to learn the history of Strasbourg and how it has moved back and forth between France and Germany. It's the reason the French insist of the EU Parliament debunk there for a week each month.
Border issues have resonance in many EU countries.

BTW Brady 1922 Committee has asked to meet TM tomorrow??? 48.

4068ac1elhodqr

Folkstonian wrote: »

Whilst it would mean ceding big chunks of Northumberland and Cumbria (as well as lots of geordies) to the independent republic of sturgeonia, it’s an otherwise flawless plan!

If they ship up 4yrs worth of the glorious buckfast brew for free, before topping up the wall, peace shall forever prevail.

Geordonia has a ring to it also, perhaps the most isolated urban area of 2.6m they have. While Newcastle voted to remain, the surrounds did not.