Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

gimli2112 · 10-12-2018 08:45PM

he was a brat when looking for the move, not even Suraez was as bad and I thought despite not wanting to stay Sterling conducted himself very well. I'm not happy he left but am with how we spent his fee and think we're better off for it.

Riesen_Meal · 10-12-2018 08:46PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

We would be in a better place if coutinho was still around. He was quality while at the club. Club got a huge fee for him and he always gave his all while on the pitch.

We probably wouldn't have Van Dyk and Alisson if Coutinho was still around, whilst I miss a Coutinho goal here and there, I'd rather have Becker between the sticks and VVD shoring up the defence...

Turtyturd · 10-12-2018 08:51PM

I think the final is the only game we really missed him in. He could have helped secure top 4 a few games earlier but we achieved that anyway. When Salah went off in the final, shifting him forward and bringing on Wijnaldum/Milner would have kept us looking dangerous.

ERG89 · 10-12-2018 08:53PM

Fieldog wrote: »

In other not really related to but kind of related to Liverpool news, poor Phil Couts is apparently not happy in Barca, the poor mite isn't getting a look in lately with Dembeles resurgence and isn't particularly happy...

SO he's taken Dembele's place of being "unsettled", either Barca have a remarkably poisonous dressing room or paper doesn't refuse ink.
I doubt Klopp would take him back after the back "injuries" thing and his feeling of his inability to play in the current setup.

shamrock55 · 10-12-2018 09:42PM

Should we go looking for the 1-0 tomorrow I wonder, or go back to last seasons approach, I think if we go one up we'll shut up shop try maybe get them on the break

Sofa Spud · 10-12-2018 09:45PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Should we go looking for the 1-0 tomorrow I wonder, or go back to last seasons approach, I think if we go one up we'll shut up shop try maybe get them on the break

Not sure my sphincter could survive that - score early and score often

.red. · 10-12-2018 09:50PM

I reckon we're gonna need 3 goals, against a very well organised team that will probably be set up to not concede. The thing is, if we get one, they will most likely have to come at us a bit and that might suit us. If they do score, the earlier the better.
Gonna be a very tricky night but I'm quietly confident.

robwen · 10-12-2018 09:52PM

https://twitter.com/VirgilvDijk/status/1072124092801798144?s=19

The look he gives Clyne at the end..

Agent Coulson · 10-12-2018 09:57PM

Wrestling reference VVD and Gomez are like Hawk and Animal with beards instead of hair cuts.

VVD's goatee fits right into Gomez's neck beard gap.

Wheety · 10-12-2018 10:05PM

.red. wrote: »

I reckon we're gonna need 3 goals, against a very well organised team that will probably be set up to not concede. The thing is, if we get one, they will most likely have to come at us a bit and that might suit us. If they do score, the earlier the better.
Gonna be a very tricky night but I'm quietly confident.

I've gone on Salah 1st GS and 2-0 :eek:

Muahahaha · 10-12-2018 10:15PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I'm pretty comfortable saying he's the best defender in the world right now

He is definitely up there. It would be great if he could add more goals to his game, he has been trying and Klopp has been telling him to stay in the box if a set piece gets defended. I think it was v.Watford he could have had a hatrick. If the goals come and he can get us 4 or 5 a season it really would be a cherry on top of what he already brings to the defence.

Ardent · 10-12-2018 10:25PM

Raisins wrote: »

You definitely haven’t been following it closely. Go on to Adam Keyworth’s Twitter page he has a list of numerous stories. It’s posted here in the forum a few pages back.

There’s a flock of swallows there for ya.

Just checked that out. No evidence of racism, just a load of cherry picked articles about Sterling himself. He's obviously newsworthy, in the same way Balotelli, Stephen Ireland, Fowler, Gascoigne, etc were.

Where's the long series of contrasting articles demonstrating racism and racial bias..?

Osmosis Jones · 10-12-2018 10:29PM

Ardent wrote: »

Just checked that out. No evidence of racism, just a load of cherry picked articles about Sterling himself. He's obviously newsworthy, in the same way Balotelli, Stephen Ireland, Fowler, Gascoigne, etc were.

Where's the long series of contrasting articles demonstrating racism and racial bias..?

If you say you can't see it then you're turning a blind eye imo. It's clear as day, or will it take a headline literally calling him racial slurs for you to notice?

Osmosis Jones · 10-12-2018 10:32PM

Everton just went from 1-0 up to conceding 2 goals and missing a penalty in the space of 5 minutes so that's pretty funny.

Ardent · 10-12-2018 10:40PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

If you say you can't see it then you're turning a blind eye imo. It's clear as day, or will it take a headline literally calling him racial slurs for you to notice?

If it's clear as day, please explain how those articles are racist?

Osmosis Jones · 10-12-2018 10:43PM

Ardent wrote: »

If it's clear as day, please explain how those articles are racist?

It's been explained 1000 times and you just bury your head saying "please explain" over and over.

The way I'm about to describe it does it no justice, but to boil it down to the most simple description imaginable:

They take the same situation involving a white player and a black player and display what the white player did as positive and what the black player did as negative.

10-12-2018 10:50PM

Ardent wrote: »

If it's clear as day, please explain how those articles are racist?

That's the thing, they aren't obviously rasist as they wouldn't be allowed to print racist stories. However, it's subtle and actually pretty obvious when done over a period of time. Paint the black guys in a more negative light.

The main papers that do it are not surprising. It feeds their customers which are generally from a more uneducated background, and are thus perhaps more suggestable.

~Rebel~ · 10-12-2018 10:53PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

It's been explained 1000 times and you just bury your head saying "please explain" over and over.

The way I'm about to describe it does it no justice, but to boil it down to the most simple description imaginable:

They take the same situation involving a white player and a black player and display what the white player did as positive and what the black player did as negative.

To add to that - it's also pointless looking at each individual thing in isolation. You have to look at the bigger picture of all articles, and then the even bigger picture itself of the society they're reflective of.

I think we in Ireland are not best placed to really understand racism the way it occurs elsewhere, as we've not had the same societal shifts as Britain and the US - much of this stuff stems from a sense of things being better in the 'old days' (often incorrectly when it comes the every-man), with the bulk of the blame lying with those that have been introduced since, or have been a part of the changing ways - and what faces don't fit in with that storied past of Queen and Empire? Brown ones mostly. Whereas in ireland there is no 'good old days' - it's always been a bit ****, and the modern era is about as good as it's ever been, so we have no shining beacon of past glory to fuel any nationalistic vitriol when it comes to race.

Since moving to the US, i've actually had my mind blown completely by the completely endemic racism in almost every aspect of culture. What time i've spent in England showed a similar mindset and similar problems, which in both cases culminated in Trump and Brexit.

Even just how the BBC refuse to properly hammer some of the Brexit speakers whose arguments fall apart under any pressure like sand castles - they clearly disagree with the arguments, but hold back from demolishing them, because to do so pits them against public opinion. We unfortunately have a situation in both the US and Britain where division and racism is rife, and the media at best let it slide unchallenged, and at worst pander and feed into it to keep selling papers/getting clicks.

The overarching message to ye olde british public is "You deserve better, and they're the ones standing in your way", with that theoretical "they" shifting depending on the subject - but there's always a they.

Osmosis Jones · 10-12-2018 10:58PM

Not gonna go much further on this because it's waaayyyyy off topic for this thread

but yeah you're spot on.

Harry Palmr · 10-12-2018 11:06PM

Some people are just tone deaf when it comes to race.

Ardent · 10-12-2018 11:12PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

It's been explained 1000 times and you just bury your head saying "please explain" over and over.

The way I'm about to describe it does it no justice, but to boil it down to the most simple description imaginable:

They take the same situation involving a white player and a black player and display what the white player did as positive and what the black player did as negative.

I think you're mixing me up with something else. I haven't asked you or anyone else a question about this before.

I think you're also confused about this so called evidence. Sterling highlighted 2 articles showing apparently different treatment of young man city players and cited this as evidence of racism in the media. Now he might have a point if this was a recurring theme, but there's no evidence of that. At least not that I have seen so far. Instead what we are presented with is a series of articles on Sterling himself, and these are being positioned as further evidence of racism. These redtop rags are detestable and I'm sure he doesn't like the coverage but he's just another celebrity target IMO and I'm not seeing the supposed long history of racist inequality in their reporting. They are equal opportunity scumbags.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 10-12-2018 11:18PM

Ardent wrote: »

They are equal opportunity scumbags.

That’s how I see it.
They’ll try ruin anyone’s life equally.
Beckham got it. Rooney got it. Sterling is getting it. And they’ll have their knives ready for the next one.

Agent Coulson · 10-12-2018 11:24PM

Aulas back in the French papers taking about Fekir and Liverpool tonight.

Saying he doesn't think it's about Fekir's knee.

Iused2likebusts · 10-12-2018 11:28PM

Fieldog wrote: »

We probably wouldn't have Van Dyk and Alisson if Coutinho was still around, whilst I miss a Coutinho goal here and there, I'd rather have Becker between the sticks and VVD shoring up the defence...

I agree on that and this is why net spend is important to consider. Klopp has to lose good players to finance buying more good players. Jose doesnt have to sell bad players to buy more bad players.

Chesty08 · 10-12-2018 11:30PM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

If someone told me 12 months ago our midfield would be better off without Coutinho in it i'd tell them they were mad.

For all the brilliance he brings to a midfield and he does bring some, there's an awful lot of carrying to be done with him in it.
Our midfield is more balanced now, + it allowed us to buy VVD, the best CB in world football by some margin.

Would be better with him in it. He would be playing Firminos role in it & he would be unreal in it. Never really understood why Klopp didn’t adapt that system when we had Coutinho with 2 holding midfielders

Raisins · 10-12-2018 11:40PM

I think it goes a lot deeper than simply attacks on another English player in the media. For example they’re obsessed with how much money he spends or doesn’t spend. He’s either vilified for flying Easy-jet or shopping in pound city or he’s called out for buying a merc or a house another day. They abused him over the gun tattoo. He’s said he’d never turn to guns after a relation was gunned down and they inserted turn to guns “again” in his statement. It’s layer upon layer of attacks on him but the undercurrent as Daniel Harris said on OTB this morning to these attacks is that a young black man from inner city London has his choice of employers in the country and is making a fortune. They despise him for that. Young black men in London from immigrant backgrounds aren’t allowed do that. If you’re a reader of the s*n or telegraph or daily mail he should be driving a cab. You can’t detach that from the broader ultra right wing anti immigrant rhetoric in those publications.

shamrock55 · 10-12-2018 11:50PM

Anyone who thinks our team doesn't need coutinho is nuts, I'd have him back in the morning

Ardent · 10-12-2018 11:50PM

Raisins wrote: »

I think it goes a lot deeper than simply attacks on another English player in the media. For example they’re obsessed with how much money he spends or doesn’t spend. He’s either vilified for flying Easy-jet or shopping in pound city or he’s called out for buying a merc or a house another day. They abused him over the gun tattoo. He’s said he’d never turn to guns after a relation was gunned down and they inserted turn to guns “again” in his statement. It’s layer upon layer of attacks on him but the undercurrent as Daniel Harris said on OTB this morning to these attacks is that a young black man from inner city London has his choice of employers in the country and is making a fortune. They despise him for that. Young black men in London from immigrant backgrounds aren’t allowed do that. If you’re a reader of the s*n or telegraph or daily mail he should be driving a cab. You can’t detach that from the broader ultra right wing anti immigrant rhetoric in those publications.

So is it just him, or are they targeting all black wealthy footballers in the same way?

shamrock55 · 10-12-2018 11:52PM

Is it racist to be sick to death of hearing or talking about racism

ballyargus · 10-12-2018 11:59PM

I'd have Phil back in a flash too. It won't happen though

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