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Former British minister proposes implementing food shortages for Ireland

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    #32
    Gimme A Pound
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    Amirani wrote: »
    Lots of Indians did very well out of British rule (similar to how many Irish did well when they were here). Happy to be proven wrong, but I dare say her Indian ancestors weren't sitting at the bottom of the caste system.

    On her point in general, she doesn't have a clue.
    Yeah a British guy I work with is half Indian - says that side of his family are well into all the lickspittling of the royals and waxing lyrical about the greatness of the empire etc.

    You see Irish people here going on with that toadying sh1t too.


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    #33
    Amirani
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Lots of Irish did well out of the British too. Would you excuse their offspring for making a tasteless, insulting comment like Pritti's?

    Where did I excuse her? Just saying that she's not necessarily too unhappy about the actions of the British in India, same way that many in East Belfast might not be too unhappy about the actions of the British in Ireland.


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    #34
    Humphrey BoaGart
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    She is kinda hot though....;)


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    #35
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Ireland obviously las a food surplus, and probably with the UK too. Was surprised to learn that we depend on them for much, maybe its all the M&S stuff. Given we are in the EU though, import substitutions should be easy enough.

    edit:

    Ireland is in fact the world's most food secure nation.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ireland-named-nation-best-able-to-feed-itself-36172429.html


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    #36
    steddyeddy
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    Amirani wrote: »
    Lots of Indians did very well out of British rule (similar to how many Irish did well when they were here). Happy to be proven wrong, but I dare say her Indian ancestors weren't sitting at the bottom of the caste system.

    On her point in general, she doesn't have a clue.

    The caste system was also re-enforced by the British to benefit people like her.


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    #37
    ChikiChiki
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Ireland obviously las a food surplus, and probably with the UK too. Was surprised to learn that we depend on them for much, maybe its all the M&S stuff. Given we are in the EU though, import substitutions should be easy enough.

    Yeah I think if they did start holding back on food we would just be resupplied in much bigger volume by the EU thus further damage will be done to British food industry. The Brexiteers really are clutching at straws on this one and they should think wisely!


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    #38
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Considering Ireland is a massive net exporter of food and the UK is some 63% self sufficient in food, I really hope they are stupid enough to try it:D


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    #39
    RobertKK
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ireland-food-shortages-threat-risk-priti-patel-negotiate-better-deal-a8672326.html?

    I am not one to be easily surprised or shocked, but for a disgraced former minister in the British government to suggest that stopping imports of food from the UK into Ireland should have been used as a tactic in Brexit negotiations.

    I suspect most Irish people are like me in this regard, they don't belittle the suffering and hell our ancestors went through when the famine happened, and to see someone who was a former minister in the British government to use food supply to us Irish as a weapon as being deeply insensitive.

    Of course we produce enough food to feed over 36 million people or so, but we don't produce all the different varieties of food we consume. A lot comes through the UK.

    She is a small minority of people in the UK who hold such extremist views, From what I see, there has been little to no support for what she said her fellow Tories should have done in Brexit divorce deal.

    Did anyone think that in 2018, 170 years after the famine, that we would have a person who is an MP in Westminster would be advocating food shortages for Ireland?


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    #40
    RobertKK
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    Sorry I see now there is another thread, but on a different page.
    Close/delete.


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    #41
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    You'd nearly miss the IRA sometimes.


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    #42
    Arghus
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    She's not propsing implementing food shortages, she's saying that the threat of potential food shortages as a result of Brexit should be used to leverage a better deal for Britain in negotiations. Every side is fighting to get what they want in Brexit talks at the moment, this is just one side trying to get the brst possible deal for them.


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    #43
    Jim Bob Scratcher
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    Her name doesn't sound very British :pac:


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    #44
    The Satanist
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    Yes, the shortage of shity Walkers crips will finish us off. Gway ta fook.


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    #45
    Fann Linn
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    Milf.


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    #46
    whisky_galore
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    You'd nearly miss the IRA sometimes.

    Not really, no.


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    #47
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    It's wonderfully brazen of a former British government mininister in 2018 to suggest that the Brits should implement a "let's starve the Paddys" policy, God bless her.

    I await a former German minister in 2018 suggesting Germany should implement a "send all Jews to concentration camps" policy.


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    #48
    suicide_circus
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Milf.

    Minimise Ireland's Legitimate Food?


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    #49
    Infini
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ireland-food-shortages-threat-risk-priti-patel-negotiate-better-deal-a8672326.html?

    And like that the price for a post car crash brexit deal from the EU just escalated! :3


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    #50
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Im not seeing a let’s starve policy here. Of course her idea that there would be shortages here is ludicrous.


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    #51
    James Brown
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    Amusing to see Phil Hogan kick off. Mister 'water down to a trickle' getting upset someones else is using his own tactics of spin.


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    #52
    KathleenGrant
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Milf.

    Well, with a name like Priti, what else did you expect.


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    #53
    Gimme A Pound
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's wonderfully brazen of a former British government mininister in 2018 to suggest that the Brits should implement a "let's starve the Paddys" policy, God bless her.

    I await a former German minister in 2018 suggesting Germany should implement a "send all Jews to concentration camps" policy.
    Not that she said that, but truth is boring.


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    #54
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Big Phil is not taking any sh!t :pac:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-agriculture-chief-phil-hogan-rails-against-tory-mp-s-food-threat-1.3723610?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Feu-agriculture-chief-phil-hogan-rails-against-tory-mp-s-food-threat-1.3723610
    EU commissioner for agriculture Phil Hogan has criticised a Tory MP’s threat to use possible post-Brexit food shortages in Ireland as leverage to secure a better deal, saying it would lead to “the starvation of the British people”


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    #55
    Atoms for Peace
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    Other than brown sauce and crisps what food do we import from the UK anyway?


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    #56
    Varik
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    It's not a threat it's literally what will happen if there was a hard brexit or too erroneous tariffs on imports from the UK.


    The fact that Phil Hogan et al don't realise the dangers or a hard brexit and keep going on about how it's not their problem to fix is terrifying.


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    #57
    Nekarsulm
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    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Other than brown sauce and crisps what food do we import from the UK anyway?

    Pot Noodle?
    Vesta curries?


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    #58
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Varik wrote: »
    It's not a threat it's literally what will happen if there was a hard brexit or too erroneous tariffs on imports from the UK.


    The fact that Phil Hogan et al don't realise the dangers or a hard brexit and keep going on about how it's not their problem to fix is terrifying.

    Doesn't Ireland produce enough food for 10 times it's population?

    In actual fact it's the UK that would have genuine food shortages.

    And 43% of their food comes from Ireland??


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    Jimena Lazy Oar wrote: »
    Not that she said that, but truth is boring.

    Ahem.
    Britain should use the threat of food shortages in Ireland to secure a better Brexit deal from the EU, a former cabinet minister has said.

    Priti Patel, the former international development secretary, said the threat to the Irish economy should have been exploited by the UK government during negotiations with Brussels.

    Her comments sparked a furious backlash, with other MPs claiming that using food shortages as a bargaining chip was deeply inappropriate, especially given Ireland’s history of famine.

    The row came after a leaked government analysis reportedly suggested that Ireland would suffer greater economic damage than the UK if there is a no-deal Brexit.

    Britain leaving the EU without an agreement would see Ireland hit with a 7 per cent drop in GDP, compared with 5 per cent for the UK, according to papers seen by The Times.

    The documents reportedly suggest that this is because Ireland is “a more open economy than the UK, accounting for 60 per cent of GDP comprised of goods imports and exports, as opposed to 40 per cent for Great Britain”.

    Ireland is also heavily dependent on trade with the UK, with Britain accounting for 29.1 per cent of Irish imports and 13.1 per cent of exports.

    Some 80 per cent of goods transported from Ireland to the EU via road also pass through the UK, according to the documents, meaning any fresh border checks would cause “challenges” and “political and social damage”.


    Ms Patel said the government should have used the finding as a tactic during negotiations with the EU.

    She said: “This paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during the negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.    ”

    Her comments were swiftly condemned by MPs from other parties.

    Labour’s Lisa Nandy said: “Threatening Ireland in this way is as morally reprehensible as it is futile.

    “Britain should be showing itself to be a dependable neighbour and friend in the future, and it is frightening that Brexiteers are even contemplating a move which could see stopping trade, including food supplies, being weaponised in this way, particularly given the uncomfortable historical echoes.”


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    #60
    Odhinn
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    Varik wrote: »
    It's not a threat it's literally what will happen if there was a hard brexit or too erroneous tariffs on imports from the UK.


    The fact that Phil Hogan et al don't realise the dangers or a hard brexit and keep going on about how it's not their problem to fix is terrifying.


    Nope. We'll be grand for food, whatever else might happen.


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    #61
    murpho999
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    So much ignorance in Britain about their position in the world.

    They really think that Ireland is totally dependent on British imports and that it means nothing to them.

    In 2016 UK imported £18.5bn and exported £27 bn.

    Compared to their business with France which is £37.9bn imports and £33.2bn exports so comparatively speaking Ireland is punching above its weight and its very important to them.

    Also, unlike them, Ireland is very well prepared for a no deal Brexit with good government planning in the last few years unlike themselves.


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