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  • #1172
    The high horse brigade
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    Does the display on the amp not give some sort of indication which sound format is playing. Stereo, AAC, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital, DTS etc

    The majority of TVs output in stereo over optical as they don't want to pay Dolby for the licence to do Dolby formats. I've this issue myself which is why I added a HDMI switch with optical and use passthrough settings in Kodi. I have an older device like you with optical, you need to be careful how you set it up as optical doesn't do the modern formats DTS plus (used by Netflix), DTS HD or Dolby TRUEHD and you end up with normal stereo.

    It does sound like with your previous box this box was always downmixing to stereo. That the Shield is now sending Ac3 and that you're only hearing left and right of a 5.1 channel audio


  • #1173
    Irish Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Irish Gunner


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Does the display on the amp not give some sort of indication which sound format is playing. Stereo, AAC, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Digital, DTS etc

    The majority of TVs output in stereo over optical as they don't want to pay Dolby for the licence to do Dolby formats. I've this issue myself which is why I added a HDMI switch with optical and use passthrough settings in Kodi. I have an older device like you with optical, you need to be careful how you set it up as optical doesn't do the modern formats DTS plus (used by Netflix), DTS HD or Dolby TRUEHD and you end up with normal stereo.

    It does sound like with your previous box this box was always downmixing to stereo. That the Shield is now sending Ac3 and that you're only hearing left and right of a 5.1 channel audio

    Yes the AMP does display format, not at home but does have those options from memory

    Never looked at sound set up. Is best bet to get HDMI Switch and any that you can recommend and easy to set up & work best with the shield, tv and amp?

    Was thinking of selling amp and sub woofer as old and maybe pick up a Sonos Sound bar would it be better in the long term, less cables that would be a plus

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  • #1174
    banie01
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    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    Yes the AMP does display format, not at home but does have those options from memory

    Never looked at sound set up. Is best bet to get HDMI Switch and any that you can recommend and easy to set up & work best with the shield, tv and amp?

    If you have an AV amp, there is no need for a switch.
    AV amps are designed specifically to allow multiple inputs to be mapped to a single display and switch between those inputs.

    The usual way would be to connect your source devices to the amp, then amp to TV.
    Quick example would be my setup, Shield, PS4 and Satellite Receiver connected to inputs 1, 2 and 3 of my amp with a HDMI from output 1 of amp connected to the TV.

    All volumes are controlled via the amp.
    The Shield is set via display and sound option in settings to allow external control.

    My Harmony activities are then as follows.
    TV = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 1, Satellite on, Volume controlled by Amp
    Shield = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 2, Shield on, Volume controlled by Amp
    PS4 = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 3, Volume controlled by Amp.

    No need for additional switch, only real reason to even run an optical cable back to your amp is if you use the TV's tuner rather than a Virgin/Sky/Saorview box and even then it can lead to audio delay.


  • #1175
    The high horse brigade
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    banie01 wrote: »
    If you have an AV amp, there is no need for a switch.
    AV amps are designed specifically to allow multiple inputs to be mapped to a single display and switch between those inputs.

    The usual way would be to connect your source devices to the amp, then amp to TV.
    Quick example would be my setup, Shield, PS4 and Satellite Receiver connected to inputs 1, 2 and 3 of my amp with a HDMI from output 1 of amp connected to the TV.

    All volumes are controlled via the amp.
    The Shield is set via display and sound option in settings to allow external control.

    My Harmony activities are then as follows.
    TV = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 1, Satellite on, Volume controlled by Amp
    Shield = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 2, Shield on, Volume controlled by Amp
    PS4 = TV on set to HDMI 1, Amp on Set to HDMI 3, Volume controlled by Amp.

    No need for additional switch, only real reason to even run an optical cable back to your amp is if you use the TV's tuner rather than a Virgin/Sky/Saorview box and even then it can lead to audio delay.

    His amp is an older amp that doesn't have HDMI


  • #1176
    banie01
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    His amp is an older amp that doesn't have HDMI

    Thanks for that, hadn't seen.
    Your advice on the switch is a good option then, altho for the price of a good automatic switch I'd lean towards a new amp ;)


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  • #1177
    The high horse brigade
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    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    Yes the AMP does display format, not at home but does have those options from memory

    Never looked at sound set up. Is best bet to get HDMI Switch and any that you can recommend and easy to set up & work best with the shield, tv and amp?

    Was thinking of selling amp and sub woofer as old and maybe pick up a Sonos Sound bar would it be better in the long term, less cables that would be a plus

    I got my hdmi switch on Amazon in Dec 2014. It's no longer available so I can't recommend it. You need to search for 4x1 hdmi switch with toslink. Make sure whatever one you get comes with a remote that you can program to the Harmony remote (I had to manually make Harmony learn the 4 commands for hdmi 1 to 4)

    Being an audiophile I'm not a fan of soundbars at all. I have surround sound in 2 rooms :p


  • #1178
    Irish Gunner
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    I got my hdmi switch on Amazon in Dec 2014. It's no longer available so I can't recommend it. You need to search for 4x1 hdmi switch with toslink. Make sure whatever one you get comes with a remote that you can program to the Harmony remote (I had to manually make Harmony learn the 4 commands for hdmi 1 to 4)

    Being an audiophile I'm not a fan of soundbars at all. I have surround sound in 2 rooms :p

    Ok so any of the below with remote

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=4x1+hdmi+switch+with+toslink

    Then connect the cables from the amp to tv via this and also hdmi cable from the shield to tv. I also have Virgin horizon box cables also to connect so what would go where?

    That correct or how would it work?

    I have enough wires behind the TV already so thus reason for soundbar and Junior beginning to try to get into them

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  • #1179
    The high horse brigade
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    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    Ok so any of the below with remote

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=4x1+hdmi+switch+with+toslink

    Then connect the cables from the amp to tv via this and also hdmi cable from the shield to tv. I also have Virgin horizon box cables also to connect so what would go where?

    That correct or how would it work?

    I have enough wires behind the TV already so thus reason for soundbar and Junior beginning to try to get into them

    Yep. Something to note when you're picking one. Hdmi 2.0 is what's needed for the bandwidth for 4k. Hdmi 1.4 does 4k but is limited to 30fps.

    4x1 means 4 devices in (inputs) one device out (output to TV). I have my Shield and my Tiviar satellite box going through mine. I had 4 devices on mine at one stage, Tiviar, mini PC, Chromecast and raspberry pi running Retropi for emulator games but relaxing the PC with the Shield merged 3 of them into one single device :D


  • #1180
    Irish Gunner
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Yep. Something to note when you're picking one. Hdmi 2.0 is what's needed for the bandwidth for 4k. Hdmi 1.4 does 4k but is limited to 30fps.

    4x1 means 4 devices in (inputs) one device out (output to TV). I have my Shield and my Tiviar satellite box going through mine. I had 4 devices on mine at one stage, Tiviar, mini PC, Chromecast and raspberry pi running Retropi for emulator games but relaxing the PC with the Shield merged 3 of them into one single device :D

    Ok I need to check what current I have set up at home what's going into the TV from the Amp, virgin box and shield and see what I need. Just have to convince Miss Gunner now that more wires behind the TV that's the difficult bit

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  • #1181
    The high horse brigade
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    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    Ok I need to check what current I have set up at home what's going into the TV from the Amp, virgin box and shield and see what I need. Just have to convince Miss Gunner now that more wires behind the TV that's the difficult bit

    With a Harmony remote you can hide them away and use the IR blaster for the TV O:-)


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  • #1182
    Irish Gunner
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    With a Harmony remote you can hide them away and use the IR blaster for the TV O:-)

    Okay have 3 hdmi slots on TV. 2 are taken
    By shield and virgin box. Optimal lead from amp also in TV.

    Which of the switches is best for me so that all these will work. So I put lead from virgin box into hdmi port 1 on switch box and shield lead into hdmi port 2 on switch. Then put optimal lead into switch. Do all boxes have optimal port?

    Then one lead from switch box to TV? Does it matter which hdmi port on tv?

    Then i set up activity like below?

    Turn tv on... Tv on, hdmi switch 1on,virgin box on
    Turn shield on... Tv on, hdmi switch 2 on, shield on, amp on

    If i only want the sound to come from the TV but when watching shield I want it to come from Amp what settings should I use on harmony hub.

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  • #1183
    The high horse brigade
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    This is the only one I can find that does hdmi 2.0, it's a 3x2 which means 3x inputs 2x outputs. It also supports HDMI ARC which you may use in future
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/STBOHKSD-Switcher-Splitter-Extractor-Supports-BLACK/dp/B07JK2NCHS/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1543952957&sr=1-3-spons&keywords=4x1+hdmi+switch+with+toslink&psc=1

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/hdmi-arc-explained-works-care/

    Your devices would all send audio to the switch using HDMI. The switch extracts the audio and sends it to the receiver using optical and sends video to the TV using HDMI


  • #1184
    The high horse brigade
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    To setup Harmony. Setup 2 different activities one with Shield, TV, HDMI switch and receiver as audio device, the other with Shield, HDMI switch and the TV no receiver. Your volume controls will then be controlling different devices depending on the activity you have running. You won't be able to automatically change Android sound settings using Harmony therefore you need to leave your sound on auto and setup passthrough in any app that offers it like Kodi. Android should automatically do passthrough and give surround where available falling back to 2.0 which your receiver will upscale to Pro Logic, your TV will just output 2.0.

    Kodi is a brilliant app for the audio options it gives. It gives the settings options to downmix DTS HD, DTS plus and True HD to standard Dolby Digital. I had trouble with the Plex client, could not get it to work nicely with passthrough, it always downmixed even with formats that are supported. Emby on the other hand does not have any settings options for passthrough but just worked out of the box. Netflix only outputs in Dolby Digital plus or 2.0 stereo so it's always stereo to the receiver upscaled to Pro Logic.
    I use Kodi lots, I even use it as a client for Emby with the Emby for Kodi add-on.


  • #1185
    Irish Gunner
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    To setup Harmony. Setup 2 different activities one with Shield, TV, HDMI switch and receiver as audio device, the other with Shield, HDMI switch and the TV no receiver. Your volume controls will then be controlling different devices depending on the activity you have running. You won't be able to automatically change Android sound settings using Harmony therefore you need to leave your sound on auto and setup passthrough in any app that offers it like Kodi. Android should automatically do passthrough and give surround where available falling back to 2.0 which your receiver will upscale to Pro Logic, your TV will just output 2.0.

    Kodi is a brilliant app for the audio options it gives. It gives the settings options to downmix DTS HD, DTS plus and True HD to standard Dolby Digital. I had trouble with the Plex client, could not get it to work nicely with passthrough, it always downmixed even with formats that are supported. Emby on the other hand does not have any settings options for passthrough but just worked out of the box. Netflix only outputs in Dolby Digital plus or 2.0 stereo so it's always stereo to the receiver upscaled to Pro Logic.
    I use Kodi lots, I even use it as a client for Emby with the Emby for Kodi add-on.

    Cheers

    Ordered it so see how it works out.

    Was using Shield to watch film last night and just change the audio settings to Line in. Maybe not getting the full benefit of sound.Rarely use Kodi more of a back up for other apps

    Will try to see if the remote for Switch can be found by Harmony or if not then manually add it.

    I aim to only have 2 remotes but its all the wiring at the back of the TV that I need to clean up. With TV, Virgin box, Amp, Woofer, Harmony remote charger,Hue Strip lights and now Switch Its getting crowded at the back of the TV. I need to clean these up some how or tie them

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  • #1186
    jayo26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Lads if anyone needs one I'll have a harmony elite remote for sale with the hub and charging cradle in next few days I'm waiting on a new companion remote and hub to arive from Amazon the wife doesn't like the touch screen on the elite and I need be able use it as my main remote now.

    Its under 2 years old and I'll keep the old hub and include the new hub with elite remote 80 plus postage for boardsie price.


  • #1187
    jayo26
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    MiskyBoyy wrote: »
    Best cheap remote until my Nvidia one somehow shows up again? :o

    Can't reply to your message mate your too popular with your full inbox.


  • #1188
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    jayo26 wrote:
    Can't reply to your message mate your too popular with your full inbox.


    Haha sorry. I'll delete some now


  • #1189
    Barney224
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Barney224


    Is it possible to have Plex set up reading from a Fritz NAS drive? I have a hard drive plugged into my Fritzbox as a NAS Media server, but I can't seem to be able to point Plex to this drive to read the movies.


  • #1190
    The high horse brigade
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    Is it possible to have Plex set up reading from a Fritz NAS drive? I have a hard drive plugged into my Fritzbox as a NAS Media server, but I can't seem to be able to point Plex to this drive to read the movies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance
    I'd say you have your storage setup on the Fritzbox using DLNA. Plex will not support it (although itself can also act as DLNA server). You will need to use cifs
    https://en.avm.de/service/fritzbox/fritzbox-7490/knowledge-base/publication/show/543_Configuring-storage-NAS-on-the-computer-as-a-network-drive/


  • #1191
    Barney224
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance
    I'd say you have your storage setup on the Fritzbox using DLNA. Plex will not support it (although itself can also act as DLNA server). You will need to use cifs
    https://en.avm.de/service/fritzbox/fritzbox-7490/knowledge-base/publication/show/543_Configuring-storage-NAS-on-the-computer-as-a-network-drive/

    Sorry, not sure what you mean here! I updated the following settings on my Win 10 PC according to that link....

    467647.jpg

    So, how do I get Plex to read the drive that's attached to Fritzbox?


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  • #1192
    The high horse brigade
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    Sorry, not sure what you mean here! I updated the following settings on my Win 10 PC according to that link....

    467647.jpg

    So, how do I get Plex to read the drive that's attached to Fritzbox?

    What happens when in file manager you go to network and go to \\ipoffritzbox\


  • #1193
    Barney224
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Barney224


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    What happens when in file manager you go to network and go to \\ipoffritzbox\

    I get this message

    467664.jpg

    The drive is appearing for me as a network drive and I'm able to access all of my media:

    467665.jpg

    But I'm still unsure as to how to get Plex to point to this from my Shield.


  • #1194
    ondafly
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    I get this message

    467664.jpg

    The drive is appearing for me as a network drive and I'm able to access all of my media:

    467665.jpg

    But I'm still unsure as to how to get Plex to point to this from my Shield.

    And if you browse to \\fritz-nas\ does that work ?


  • #1195
    Barney224
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    ondafly wrote: »
    And if you browse to \\fritz-nas\ does that work ?

    Yes, I can see the Fritzbox and my NAS drive (USB Hard drive) and all the folders/files.


  • #1196
    The high horse brigade
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    I get this message

    467664.jpg

    The drive is appearing for me as a network drive and I'm able to access all of my media:

    467665.jpg

    But I'm still unsure as to how to get Plex to point to this from my Shield.

    Yes you've just proven it's working. The error message on Windows 10 is just a warning that you're using an older SMB1 protocol. Confirm you have full read write access by creating and deleting a file

    Now you need to mount that path on the Shield in storage settings. It will probably not let you add it without a username and password, so just make up one. The NAS drive will then show as local storage on the Shield making it available to the Plex (and any other) apps on the Shield


  • #1197
    Barney224
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Barney224


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Yes you've just proven it's working. The error message on Windows 10 is just a warning that you're using an older SMB1 protocol. Confirm you have full read write access by creating and deleting a file

    Now you need to mount that path on the Shield in storage settings. It will probably not let you add it without a username and password, so just make up one. The NAS drive will then show as local storage on the Shield making it available to the Plex (and any other) apps on the Shield

    ahh cool. I didn't know you could add an external drive to Shield! :rolleyes:

    So, when that's added, what do I do next in Plex? Sorry for all these stupid questions, but I haven't a clue about any of this


  • #1198
    The high horse brigade
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    ahh cool. I didn't know you could add an external drive to Shield! :rolleyes:

    So, when that's added, what do I do next in Plex? Sorry for all these stupid questions, but I haven't a clue about any of this

    You're adding it as network storage. With a network folder all the devices in your house can connect to it. Once you've mapped network storage on the Shield it will appear as a local folder in file manager apps on the Shield. If you're looking for a file manager on the Shield get Xplore file manager there's another called ES file explorer that's been known as a dodgy app gathering your info, you should avoid it.

    Plex doesn't just scan for files, you must point it to the folder for TV shows telling it where to scan, then you do the same for movies, then music. When you add a media source to your Plex library you will be able to browse this network storage drive to show it where your media is stored on this network drive as you would if the drive was plugged direct into the Shield


  • #1199
    Barney224
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    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    You're adding it as network storage. With a network folder all the devices in your house can connect to it. Once you've mapped network storage on the Shield it will appear as a local folder in file manager apps on the Shield. If you're looking for a file manager on the Shield get Xplore file manager there's another called ES file explorer that's been known as a dodgy app gathering your info, you should avoid it.

    Plex doesn't just scan for files, you must point it to the folder for TV shows telling it where to scan, then you do the same for movies, then music. When you add a media source to your Plex library you will be able to browse this network storage drive to show it where your media is stored on this network drive as you would if the drive was plugged direct into the Shield

    Cheers for all your help on this! I'll get this set up today. :D


  • #1200
    xckjoo
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    Not sure if it's my imagination, but I think that the YouTube app is displaying bigger than my TV. It might be dodgy camera work, but some videos I've been watching have stuff off the bottom of the screen that they seem to think I should be able to see. Is this something that I can adjust?


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  • #1201
    The high horse brigade
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    xckjoo wrote: »
    Not sure if it's my imagination, but I think that the YouTube app is displaying bigger than my TV. It might be dodgy camera work, but some videos I've been watching have stuff off the bottom of the screen that they seem to think I should be able to see. Is this something that I can adjust?

    Are you sure it's not zoom setting on the TV itself. Hdmi usually gets the resolution and aspect ratio right.


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