Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018

Luckycharms_74 · 05-12-2018 12:40PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

This.

The PL is a marathon and it's very hard to win a marathon wire to wire. The important thing for us is to make sure we're on their shoulder down the home straight and in position to take advantage of any slip up they make and odds are they will have one or two unexpected results at some stage.

Bit like this lad ack in the day :P

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rob316 · 05-12-2018 01:04PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Just to let you know we're playing tonight so you don't miss the match.

I knew that ta!

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:18PM

Enzokk wrote: »

It's amazing what a £1.4 billion or so can do for a team. Add in some financial cheating on where you income actually comes from and then you have a team that seems unstoppable.

I would say though that one good thing it is good to see Pep doing his work in England and ruling the roost. There was way too much sneering at his record in Spain and especially in Germany and what he achieved so far. Yes he has had money to spend, but so has Mourinho. His team is scarily good, yet we are there right behind them.

Do you need a cuddle?

City never broke any world transfer records either by fee or position, Liverpool broke 2 in 6months on VVD for a defender & Alison for a keeper. Both fantastic signings by the way & worth every penny.

Instead of looking at the overall figure they’ve spent seeing as we know every club can’t spend that amount why not try look at the bargain signings and ask yourself why Liverpool or any other club make them?

Examples, Bernardo Silva £45m & Ederson £35m combined £80m just as 2 examples. Weigh that up with Keita & Alison at (I stand to be corrected) combined £135m. These are only 2 of many examples for every club that I can use to counter argument the ridiculous notion that it’s hard to compete. Maybe they’re just doing much better business?

Now, obviously if Liverpool were to win the league this year then the above paragraph I wrote is worthless because them players will have the medals & end of the day that’s what it’s about.

On a final note, ‘Financial cheating’ has NOTHING to do with their premier league standing, they never broke a Premier League rule, it’s a UEFA rule. They could be banned from Europe for ever more, it’s nothing to do with the Premier League.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:24PM

gstack166 wrote: »

Do you need a cuddle?

City never broke any world transfer records either by fee or position, Liverpool broke 2 in 6months on VVD for a defender & Alison for a keeper. Both fantastic signings by the way & worth every penny.

Instead of looking at the overall figure they’ve spent seeing as we know every club can’t spend that amount why not try look at the bargain signings and ask yourself why Liverpool or any other club make them?

Examples, Bernardo Silva £45m & Ederson £35m combined £80m just as 2 examples. Weigh that up with Keita & Alison at (I stand to be corrected) combined £135m. These are only 2 of many examples for every club that I can use to counter argument the ridiculous notion that it’s hard to compete. Maybe they’re just doing much better business?

Now, obviously if Liverpool were to win the league this year then the above paragraph I wrote is worthless because them players will have the medals & end of the day that’s what it’s about.

On a final note, ‘Financial cheating’ has NOTHING to do with their premier league standing, they never broke a Premier League rule, it’s a UEFA rule. They could be banned from Europe for ever more, it’s nothing to do with the Premier League.

I wouldn't really class anyone who cost £35m as a bargain signing to be fair.

Robertson at 10m and Shaqiri at 12m would be bargain signings.

You've also compared two signings who are with City since 2017 to two Liverpool players here 4 months now. Not a fair compart really is it? And I'd argue Allison has been worth every single penny and more.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:28PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I wouldn't really class anyone who cost £35m as a bargain signing to be fair.

Robertson at 10m and Shaqiri at 12m would be bargain signings.

That’s opinions, there’s no right or wrong answer to that. He will be to some & maybe not to others.

100% agree agree with Robertson. Waaaay to early to label Shaquiri that in my opinion.

gimli2112 · 05-12-2018 01:31PM

I think the wages are a big factor. Granted I was surprised at the size of Liverpool's reported wage bill but there's a reason Sterling plays for City and it's not that he looks better in blue.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:32PM

gstack166 wrote: »

That’s opinions, there’s no right or wrong answer to that. He will be to some & maybe not to others.

100% agree agree with Robertson. Waaaay to early to label Shaquiri that in my opinion.

To early to label Shaqiri but not to early to say Allison and Kieta were not bargains or value for money?

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:35PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

I think the wages are a big factor. Granted I was surprised at the size of Liverpool's reported wage bill but there's a reason Sterling plays for City and it's not that he looks better in blue.

As far as I'm aware Liverpool pay all wages in the club through the one company. City split the wages between different companies, playing staff, groundsmen, coaches are not all included in the one.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:37PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

To early to label Shaqiri but not to early to say Allison and Kieta were not bargains or value for money?

If you re read my post I said Alison was a fantastic player worth every penny. It’s absolutely impossible to discribe him as a bargain as the 2nd highest price keeper of all time though, wouldn’t you say? A Premier League medal in May & 100% classify him that then.

Won’t even answer the Keita question, lad has barely played.

Wasn’t questioning any of there abilities anyway or comparing abilities, I was just making a point about fees paid is all.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:42PM

gstack166 wrote: »

If you re read my post I said Alison was a fantastic player worth every penny. It’s absolutely impossible to discribe him as a bargain as the 2nd highest price keeper of all time though, wouldn’t you say? A Premier League medal in May & 100% classify him that then.

Won’t even answer the Keita question, lad has barely played.

Wasn’t questioning any of there abilities anyway or comparing abilities, I was just making a point about fees paid is all.

But you said Silva was a bargain at 40m so I'd assume plenty of Liverpool fans would say Allison has been a bargain at 75m.

We all see he has improved an extremely weak area of the team for us and is a starter whereas Silva is a squad player for City.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:44PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

I think the wages are a big factor. Granted I was surprised at the size of Liverpool's reported wage bill but there's a reason Sterling plays for City and it's not that he looks better in blue.

You think the reason is purely money? Why? Where would he or should he go where he would have a better chance of silverware or a manager who has more believe in him than Pep?

I’m purplexed what the reason he’d be at City considering I remember vividly Liverpool in their hundreds of thousands reviling in the fee received from City especially with having a ready made replacement in Jordan Ibe? That was what was said at the time wasn’t it?

Wasn’t he predicted to rot on the bench there too?

Maybe it was just a fantastic piece of business by both player & club why he’s there?

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:47PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

But you said Silva was a bargain at 40m so I'd assume plenty of Liverpool fans would say Allison has been a bargain at 75m.

We all see he has improved an extremely weak area of the team for us and is a starter whereas Silva is a squad player for City.

Bernardo Silva has been one of City’s standout performers this season. It would be hard to split him, David Silva & Sterling for club player of the year at this moment in time.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:49PM

gstack166 wrote: »

Bernardo Silva has been one of City’s standout performers this season. It would be hard to split him, David Silva & Sterling for club player of the year at this moment in time.

It wouldn't really. Sterling has been by far Cities best player this year.

Nerdlingr · 05-12-2018 01:50PM

Forget about bargains, or fees paid, or wages , or opinions... the only thing that matters between City and other clubs is they are bankrolled by a Country!!!

Wenger said it best :
For me, it is the consequence of the ownerships that have completely changed the whole landscape of football in the last 15 years. Once a country owns a club, everything is possible.”

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:54PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Forget about bargains, or fees paid, or wages , or opinions... the only thing that matters between City and other clubs is they are bankrolled by a Country!!!

Wenger said it best :
For me, it is the consequence of the ownerships that have completely changed the whole landscape of football in the last 15 years. Once a country owns a club, everything is possible.”

His own club got enough of a bank rolling from Emirates!

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 01:58PM

gstack166 wrote: »

His own club got enough of a bank rolling from Emirates!

What? Arsenal got a sponsorship deal in line with other clubs based of the actual value of the club and their global brand.

It was City who had vastly overinflated sponsorship deals far in excess of there net worth. And if City had been dealing with the open market and not a connected party there would be absolutely no way the same deals would have been signed.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 01:58PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

It wouldn't really. Sterling has been by far Cities best player this year.

If that were true, as in black & white Sterling has by far been the best City player, David Silva wouldn’t be 2/1 & Sterling 9/1 for POTY.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 02:00PM

gstack166 wrote: »

If that were true, as in black & white Sterling has by far been the best City player, David Silva wouldn’t be 2/1 & Sterling 9/1 for POTY.

Other things factor into people's perception. Silva didn't threaten to leave the club if they didn't offer him a new contract. Silva is far more liked than Sterling and the odds are shaped by people's perception and betting habits.

Nerdlingr · 05-12-2018 02:01PM

gstack166 wrote: »

His own club got enough of a bank rolling from Emirates!

Not bankrolled though. Just beacuse Emirates sponsored their stadium and shirts it still didnt allow them to buy, say, the likes of Robinho for a club record 40 odd million then sell him 2 years later for 15m, ya know, like City did.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 02:04PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Other things factor into people's perception. Silva didn't threaten to leave the club if they didn't offer him a new contract. Silva is far more liked than Sterling and the odds are shaped by people's perception and betting habits.

PFA is a Players voted award & Sterling is extremely well liked by all players if you believe their takes on him so the betting would based on that by your reasoning. Bookies are no fool! He wouldn’t be 9/1 if he was the stand out City player this year.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 02:04PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Not bankrolled though. Just beacuse Emirates sponsored their stadium and shirts it still didnt allow them to buy, say, the likes of Robinho for a club record 40 odd million then sell him 2 years later for 15m, ya know, like City did.

Arsenal would have gotten a similar deal from quite a few other sources I bet. The same could not be said for those original city sponsorship deals.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 02:06PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Not bankrolled though. Just beacuse Emirates sponsored their stadium and shirts it still didnt allow them to buy, say, the likes of Robinho for a club record 40 odd million then sell him 2 years later for 15m, ya know, like City did.

So what country bankrolled Liverpool to sign Carroll for £35m & sell him for £15m then, ya know?

Or maybe they were both 2 signings that just didn’t work out, ya know.

Edit: was also £32.5m for Robinho.

TitianGerm · 05-12-2018 02:08PM

gstack166 wrote: »

So what country bankrolled Liverpool to sign Carroll for £35m & sell him for £15m then, ya know?

Or maybe they were both 2 signings that just didn’t work out, ya know.

Well the Carroll signing was financed by the Torres sale.

Nerdlingr · 05-12-2018 02:08PM

gstack166 wrote: »

So what country bankrolled Liverpool to sign Carroll for £35m & sell him for £15m then, ya know?

Or maybe they were both 2 signings that just didn’t work out, ya know.

Fernando Torres.

citytillidie · 05-12-2018 02:09PM

gstack166 wrote: »

So what country bankrolled Liverpool to sign Carroll for £35m & sell him for £15m then, ya know?

Or maybe they were both 2 signings that just didn’t work out, ya know.

Edit: was also £32.5m for Robinho.

Selling a player for £50m

Wheety · 05-12-2018 02:11PM

it'll be interesting to see if UEFA properly investigate and punish City. Der Spiegel revealed some very sneaky tactics, like paying Mancini £1.5m a year while a Saudi sports club paid him £1.7m for, I think, consultancy work :rolleyes:

gimli2112 · 05-12-2018 02:12PM

gstack166 wrote: »

You think the reason is purely money? Yes Why? City paid more Where would he or should he go where he would have a better chance of silverware or a manager who has more believe in him than Pep? City because they paid more

I’m purplexed what the reason he’d be at City considering I remember vividly Liverpool in their hundreds of thousands reviling in the fee received from City especially with having a ready made replacement in Jordan Ibe? That was what was said at the time wasn’t it? I think spellcheck or something messed this up because I can't make sense of it

Wasn’t he predicted to rot on the bench there too? No

Maybe it was just a fantastic piece of business by both player & club why he’s there? Yes it was

I don't dislike City or Sterling but the reason he left us was largely financial imo. The financial side is not the only reason you are successful but it is the main one.

citytillidie · 05-12-2018 02:14PM

Wheety wrote: »

it'll be interesting to see if UEFA properly investigate and punish City. Der Spiegel revealed some very sneaky tactics, like paying Mancini £1.5m a year while a Saudi sports club paid him £1.7m for, I think, consultancy work :rolleyes:

Double contracts is what got Derry City relegated in the league or Ireland

suffering golfer · 05-12-2018 02:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How can you say what City's form will be all season? They may get injuries, they may lose form. They may focus on Champion's League.

City have 23 games to go so I wouldn't hand them the title yet despite making them strong favourites.

No need to criticise Liverpool or say they're not good enough. City's form so far would equate to 103 points at the end of the season which is ridiculous and probably not achievable whilst Liverpool's works out at 97 which would be our best ever in the premier league and would normally win the league comfortably.

So I don't see how we can do much more than what we're doing and just make sure we're there if City do falter. Imagine what would happen if Liverpool started playing well as they have played so badly in winning their 36 out of 42 pointsl.

Why would it be ridiculous and not achievable? They got 100 points last year so it would hardly be much of an improvement to get 103.

Not I am expecting to get that number of points, but it's hardly far-fetched to suggest they are capable of doing it.

gstack166 · 05-12-2018 02:17PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

I don't dislike City or Sterling but the reason he left us was largely financial imo. The financial side is not the only reason you are successful but it is the main one.

I agree with all of what you said. Maybe if a United or Chelsea offered the same money that time he would of joined them instead. I can recall him saying that time though that it didn’t matter what Liverpool offered that he wanted out, an i right?

No one is disputing the money part, of course it’s a massive reason why but it’s not because their outspending everyone either is all I’m saying.

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