Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

ParkRunner · 05-12-2018 08:51AM

GSPfan wrote: »

I just read his comments today about all the other top 6 sides improving. He is normally quite smart with his spin tactics but to say Spurs improved because they didn’t sign anyone but kept hold of their players is blatantly stupid. He is losing it if he thinks that makes any sense.

Spurs did very well to keep their top players & get a new stadium up and running. To me it shows the players believe in the manager and the direction the club is going in.

Players come to Man U, are paid huge money week after week & as a team cant dominate a game for more than 10-15 minutes at a time. A grumpy Mourinho isn’t going to inspire them though, especially when he’s not being backed by the guys at the top.

As for tonight’s game, the only prediction I’d back is that we will concede at least 2 goals

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/tottenham-wage-bill-pochettino-eriksen-15468378.amp

J. Marston · 05-12-2018 08:58AM

All the ingredients are there for our own 8-2 or something similar.

Liam McPoyle · 05-12-2018 09:54AM

J. Marston wrote: »

All the ingredients are there for our own 8-2 or something similar.

If it meant an end to the current regime then I'm all for it.

Drumpot · 05-12-2018 10:23AM

For those who think the owners play little to no role in the clubs/teams demise

https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/2018/11/07/think-your-nfl-owner-is-bad-dan-snyders-always-worse/

Say what you want about the Glazers, who are clearly a root cause of the Bucs' slide toward nothingness over the past 11 seasons.

But the Glazers can step aside this weekend, comforted by the fact that there is someone worse.

And here’s a blog from a Bucs fan. Could almost be talking about united and it’s players and manager.

https://www.bucsnation.com/2018/11/15/18095635/how-badly-will-this-end-tampa-bay-buccaneers-bucs-nfl-football-dirk-koetter

Sitting at 3-6 with no apparent answers, this team looks like it’s headed for a total rebuild - yet again.

For a team as talented as the Bucs, this is a major disappointment. The entire season was basically encapsulated last week against the Redskins. Over 500 yards of total offense, but four turnovers and just three points were amassed during what should’ve been a big win at home.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the bad qualities/habits this team possesses.

The defense is also the worst in the league and at one point was on pace to become the worst in NFL history.

These are all issues that have plagued this team since the beginning of Koetter’s tenure.

The right pieces were in place. This team finally had a franchise quarterback for the first time in its painful history. Everything was supposed to come to fruition under Koetter, one of the league’s better offensive minds.

After three years, the truth of the matter is that barring a miracle, Koetter and the majority of the staff are gone.

The Bucs will likely be on the hunt for it’s fifth head coach, third general manager, and seventh starting quarterback since 2010 after the season.

This type of turnover - especially at the top - is nowhere near the recipe for success and if the Glazers or any other owner in the NFL is telling themselves the opposite, then they are in fact lying to themselves, their employees, and their fans.

Who wants to sit through more seasons of questions, potential promises, and empty predictions when there is a roster - if used correctly - that can represent a competitive team?

The thought of another complete rebuild is not only mundane and frustrating, but it’s simply tiresome at this point. When will this franchise get its act together? Will there ever be a winning culture ever again?

Only time can answer those questions. Unfortunately for the Bucs, it looks as if they will have plenty of time this offseason to figure it out.

Two clubs owned by the same Owners with extremely similar issues. That’s no coincidence.

Looks like Bucs fans also thought a more offensive coach would get more out of the squad. Where have I heard that? It’s actually frightening how many similarities there are between the two clubs!

Drumpot · 05-12-2018 10:54AM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/Jones-Bucs-make-right-move-keeping-coach-Dirk-Koetter_164034648%3ftemplate=amp

Read above and insert Jose for Koetter... Gruden would be a replacement manager. In effect a lot of people were surprised when the glazers maintained the Bucs head guy.

I wonder if the glazers are trying to take the same approach with Jose. If that’s the case he might be coach a lot longer then we expect.

You can’t keep blowing out coaches every other year and expect to win. At some point, you do need some continuity, some consistency.

The point being: The Bucs have done some good things under Koetter.

Or maybe the Glazers are sick and tired of paying guys not to coach.

Maybe Jon Gruden didn’t want this job after all. Maybe — maybe — the Glazers, hat in hand, knocked on Gruden’s door and had it slammed in their faces.

Look, there’s certainly a risk bringing him back. Here’s the fear. The Bucs were awful this season. Something was just off about the whole thing. What happens if they start next season 1-3, and it has the same vibe as this year? Then there goes another season down the drain.

But the greater fear is switching coaches, starting over from scratch and being back in this exact same spot two years from now. That has been the Bucs’ recent history.

Better to give Koetter one more year to sort it all out. Maybe he fixes Winston’s turnover issues. Maybe Licht gets him help on defense. Maybe a running game jazzes up his play-calling. Maybe he turns this thing around and a year from now, the Bucs are headed to the playoffs.

If not, the Glazers still have Gruden’s phone number.[/]

That was last season and the coach failed which is what my previous post was referring to.

damowill · 05-12-2018 11:00AM

xtal191 wrote: »

Doubt it, can see him being sacked in March or April

Ya Jose is safe until the time comes that we are out of Europe and Top4 is beyond us.

bangkok · 05-12-2018 11:29AM

damowill wrote: »

Ya Jose is safe until the time comes that we are out of Europe and Top4 is beyond us.

No chance.

If they get beat tonight and lose to fulham he is gone.

He is barely hanging on as it is. Only a matter of time imo

Nalz · 05-12-2018 12:01PM

Fúck this lads, I'm gonna go listen to Flight of the Conchords x

damowill · 05-12-2018 12:20PM

bangkok wrote: »

No chance.

If they get beat tonight and lose to fulham he is gone.

He is barely hanging on as it is. Only a matter of time imo

We are pretty poor there is no denying. But the odds of losing to both Arsenal and Fulham at home, are quite slim. Paddy Power will gladly take your bet.

bangkok · 05-12-2018 12:43PM

damowill wrote: »

We are pretty poor there is no denying. But the odds of losing to both Arsenal and Fulham at home, are quite slim. Paddy Power will gladly take your bet.

We have failed to beat southampton palace derby wolves and brighton this season already so its not beyond the realms of possibility

Fitz* · 05-12-2018 12:44PM

What will the United team actually be tonight?

I for one am not buying all these 'injuries'. Yes, there will be some players missing like Lindelof but all this 8 defenders injured I do not believe.
Jose has being playing CMs at CB all season, instead of actual CBs. That has to p1ss a few of them off.

xtal191 · 05-12-2018 12:48PM

FitzShane wrote: »

What will the United team actually be tonight?

I for one am not buying all these 'injuries'. Yes, there will be some players missing like Lindelof but all this 8 defenders injured I do not believe.
Jose has being playing CMs at CB all season, instead of actual CBs. That has to p1ss a few of them off.

Taken from RedCafe

Confirmed United squad members
David de Gea, Sergio Romero, Lee Grant, Diogo Dalot, Antonio Valencia, Matteo Darmian, Chris Smalling, Eric Bailly, Marcos Rojo, Fred, Paul Pogba, Marouane Fellaini, Scott McTominay, Jesse Lingard, Ander Herrera, Nemanja Matic, Andreas Pereira, Juan Mata, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Romelu Lukaku

Fitz* · 05-12-2018 12:49PM

so we can assume a back 3 of Bailly, Smalling & a CM (Matic/McTominay/Matic?

Dalot & Darmian as wing backs.

TheDoc · 05-12-2018 01:07PM

Reminded this morning as I stare down the barrel of expecting a pumping by Arsenal at home, that Van Gaal orchestrated a 3-1 win with Tyler Blackett, Paddy McNair and Chris Smalling in a back three.

Actually at a work night out tonight, but will be watching on what I can only assume will be TV's in the place. Have pretty much no confidence of a performance or a result.

Rossi IRL · 05-12-2018 01:09PM

I reckon it will be

Darmian, McTominay, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw

Fellaini, Matic
Lingard

Rashford, Martial

Surely after calling Pogba a virus he cant pick him?

bangkok · 05-12-2018 01:12PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I reckon it will be

Darmian, McTominay, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw

Fellaini, Matic
Lingard

Rashford, Martial

Surely after calling Pogba a virus he cant pick him?

Probably the worst midfield in the last 30 years at united right there.

Id say pogba will be picked, fights happen all the time in dressing rooms up and down the country, they just dont get leaked like it happens at united

nullzero · 05-12-2018 01:21PM

Well I'll be avoiding this one like the plague, nothing but a thumping will come of this, hard to believe how much we've been found out in the past 12 months.

malinheader · 05-12-2018 01:25PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

I reckon it will be

Darmian, McTominay, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw

Fellaini, Matic
Lingard

Rashford, Martial

Surely after calling Pogba a virus he cant pick him?

Nothing in that line up that would really think anything can change. For the amount of money spent over the last few years we have a very mediocre squad. Another night of peeping over the sofa I doubt.

bangkok · 05-12-2018 01:31PM

How about

De gea

Dalot......smalling.......bailly........shaw

.....herrera......fred......pogba.........

......................mata..................

.........rashford........martial

Would love to see that line up but matic and prob lukaku will def start

malinheader · 05-12-2018 01:38PM

bangkok wrote: »

How about

De gea

Dalot......smalling.......bailly........shaw

.....herrera......fred......pogba.........

......................mata..................

.........rashford........martial

Would love to see that line up but matic and prob lukaku will def start

Don't care who starts or what the end result is as long as the players show a bit of heart and commitment and really look as if they want to win a game. Something I havnt seen from this team for a long time

Your Airbag · 05-12-2018 02:00PM

Mourinho: "Before Palace, I said my target would be end of December in top four. Now the target has changed. Now we have to try to be very close to these positions. We need not to be so unlucky with problems that we have. We need some players to perform."

Unlucky? This guy just can't see his own faults. Its not luck Jose, we are constantly playing poor football, that leads to defeat not bad luck.

Rigid outdated tactics, in-fighting, lack of motivational skills and poor purchases and he th can't see it. He thinks he's been unlucky.

Julez · 05-12-2018 02:22PM

Agreed, these days I find it lucky when we win despite how we're playing.

Liam McPoyle · 05-12-2018 02:30PM

Apparently tonights game is the first time since 1986 that neither Fergie or Wenger are involved.

Mad.

StringerBell · 05-12-2018 02:42PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Unlucky? This guy just can't see his own faults. Its not luck Jose, we are constantly playing poor football, that leads to defeat not bad luck.

Rigid outdated tactics, in-fighting, lack of motivational skills and poor purchases and he th can't see it. He thinks he's been unlucky.

Yeah, that's not actually what he means at all but sure carry on.

Jose bad, everything good when he gone.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 05-12-2018 02:47PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah, that's not actually what he means at all but sure carry on.

Jose bad, everything good when he gone.

Jose is bad. He has been ****. There's more to it but yes, "Jose Bad"

Your Airbag · 05-12-2018 03:10PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah, that's not actually what he means at all but sure carry on.

Jose bad, everything good when he gone.

He's saying we have been unlucky. Literally the words out of his mouth and you say he doesn't mean it despite offering nothing to the contrary. Good one.

05-12-2018 03:13PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Jose is bad. He has been ****. There's more to it but yes, "Jose Bad"

But thats the thing there is plenty to criticise people dont need to go making stuff up or twisting things just so you can throw another wobbly

Mitch Connor · 05-12-2018 03:27PM

De Gea
Valencia-McToninay-Smalling-Rojo-Darmian

Herrera--Matic--Fellaini

Lingard

Lukaku.

Rashford, Martial, Fred, Mata, Bailly, Dalot, Romero.

Drumpot · 05-12-2018 03:41PM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Jose is bad. He has been ****. There's more to it but yes, "Jose Bad"

The pejorative “bad Jose” statement is made because some fans are unwilling (or unable) to discuss the club problems outside of the manager. If you aren’t saying “sack Jose, he’s the problem” they think you absolving him of all responsibility for the way things have gone. They actually think you are “shifting goalposts” if you try to go deeper into things. It’s kind of funny and annoying in equal measure cause it doesn’t lend itself to discussion and forces an echo chamber type community.

Every fan knows and accepts the teams results and performances this year are not acceptable. Every fan knows that Jose is not doing well with this squad. Things surely can’t go on the way it’s going, I don’t know anybody saying what Jose is getting out of this team this season is good on any level. But taking a broader perspective on the club issues is not denying this or letting Jose off the hook.

I think some People find focusing only on José Cathartic on several levels. They know that he can be sacked (we can’t get the board or glazers sacked). They know sacking Jose brings change and with that comes hope. It might not necessarily be good change but change of where We are at. Also to really explore the glazers/Woodward effect on the club could lead to the reality of our situation and destroy any hope that things might improve.

In fairness , The short term bounce of a new coach is exciting for us all, but it doesn’t make the other club problems go away or answer any of the questions about the owners/Woodward that many fans don’t want to consider.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 05-12-2018 04:22PM

Drumpot wrote: »

The pejorative “bad Jose” statement is made because some fans are unwilling (or unable) to discuss the club problems outside of the manager. If you aren’t saying “sack Jose, he’s the problem” they think you absolving him of all responsibility for the way things have gone. They actually think you are “shifting goalposts” if you try to go deeper into things. It’s kind of funny and annoying in equal measure cause it doesn’t lend itself to discussion and forces an echo chamber type community.

Every fan knows and accepts the teams results and performances this year are not acceptable. Every fan knows that Jose is not doing well with this squad. Things surely can’t go on the way it’s going, I don’t know anybody saying what Jose is getting out of this team this season is good on any level. But taking a broader perspective on the club issues is not denying this or letting Jose off the hook.

I think some People find focusing only on José find it Cathartic on several levels. They know that he can be sacked (we can’t get the board or glazers sacked). They know sacking Jose brings change and with that comes hope. It might not necessarily be good change but change of where We are at. Also to really explore the glazers/Woodward effect on the club could lead to the reality of our situation and destroy any hope that things might improve.

In fairness , The short term bounce of a new coach is exciting for us all, but it doesn’t make the other club problems go away or answer any of the questions about the owners/Woodward that many fans don’t want to consider.

Well maybe Jose is a large part of the problem and taking that step is a huge one in the right direction? The club could be more football focused in many ways but Woodward isn't setting out these ****e tactics. So let's start with the first step and move on from him.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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