Got Called To Go On Jobpath

05-12-2018 01:20AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Well if you bring a child in a buggy to a one to one meeting with a facilitator, who do you think was going to mind the child while you had the meeting?
When you got the letter asking you to attend there was a phone number on it to contact them, why not ring it and ask if it’s ok to bring kids?

Not talking about a one on one, you can't make it that far without passing reception, who point blank tell people no kids in the building and refuse to hear another word said regardless of your reason for being there. Be it the original summons or deferring an appointment as it clashes with a job interview etc.

splinter65 · 05-12-2018 01:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not talking about a one on one, you can't make it that far without passing reception, who point blank tell people no kids in the building and refuse to hear another word said regardless of your reason for being there. Be it the original summons or deferring an appointment as it clashes with a job interview etc.

I don’t see what problem you have with people being told at reception that children are not permitted in the building.
If the leaseholders public liability insurance doesn’t allow for children then that’s pretty much the end of it.
They can’t cone in.
If you are engaging in the job activation process attached to Jobseekers payments as you are required to be as part of the conditions of being eligible for that payment then Turas Nua would be entitled to assume that you have childcare arrangements in place in order to be ready to start work at short notice.
Jobseekers is for adults who are free to go to appointments interviews etc and start work without having to bring their children with them.

Seth Brundle · 05-12-2018 07:49AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't think I was suggesting Seetec workers be allowed take their kids to work? Nor was i suggesting people should be allowed have the kids along while doing job search and reviews there. They are offices accessible to the public though.

What I have witnessed is people point blank being refused to be spoken to by reception if they so much as wheel a buggy in the door, and told their insurance doesn't cover kids in the building which means they are cheaping on it . Could you imagine that in an Intreo office or car tax or hse clinic, sorry no you can't come in with a buggie and explain your situation at reception or get information that you are in fact on the wrong payment and then get reported for non compliance and cut off just so you can square the circle with the DSP?

I'm quite aware of the point. My point was that kids should not be there. Find someone to mind them while you're in there. Whoever tried to bring kids in was being irresponsible either towards an important meeting or to their kids - which is it?
Who will mind their kids when they find work or do they not want work?

power pants · 06-12-2018 02:38PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I'm quite aware of the point. My point was that kids should not be there. Find someone to mind them while you're in there. Whoever tried to bring kids in was being irresponsible either towards an important meeting or to their kids - which is it?
Who will mind their kids when they find work or do they not want work?

They do not want to work. So many lazy hide behind kids as an excuse. To top it off they are not even good parents either, too busy slothing around on the couch or making their life all about them and not their kids.

Wanderer78 · 06-12-2018 02:41PM

power pants wrote:

They do not want to work. So many lazy hide behind kids as an excuse. To top it off they are not even good parents either, too busy slothing around on the couch or making their life all about them and not their kids.

You should probably do a bit of research into the root causes of long term unemployment, I'd class your comment as 'lazy research'!

power pants · 06-12-2018 05:57PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You should probably do a bit of research into the root causes of long term unemployment, I'd class your comment as 'lazy research'!

incorrect. I assure you, I know what I am talking about

Wanderer78 · 06-12-2018 06:52PM

power pants wrote:

incorrect. I assure you, I know what I am talking about

Are you an expert such as a clinical psychologist or an educational psychologist etc?

07-12-2018 01:04AM

power pants wrote: »

incorrect. I assure you, I know what I am talking about

What is your point in the context of this thread? The ones you speak of are quite adept at dodging Jobpath as they are jobs and wouldn't have to endure more than one appointment with them if that, while the rest of us would have to play ball.

I should clarify here about my experience with them and the whole thing about kids in their offices. I had to miss one appointment with them for an interview. Tried calling the office she was busy. Email - didn't respond but quick enough mail to tell me my appointment times via email. Was passing and decided I'd pop in and let them know I wouldn't be there on the next jobsearch day as I'd an interview. Receptionist told me no I can't come in with the buggy and point blank refused to speak to me and I could even make eye contact with my "employment advisor". I should have known better having seen the same thing happen to others while I was attending for jobsearch. So had to go home and try and call and email again, still got cut off for non engagement despite the paper trial and me attending appointments after the one I missed for an interview.

misstearheus · 07-12-2018 01:20AM

I've a random question! Who are the Seetec Advisors?!? Like who exactly are they?!? Where did they come from? Are they actually qualified H.R. people? What would the requirements / criteria have been for an Advisor to get their job?

engiweirdo · 07-12-2018 01:28AM

misstearheus wrote: »

I've a random question! Who are the Seetec Advisors?!? Like who exactly are they?!? Where did they come from? Are they actually qualified H.R. people? What would the requirements / criteria have been for an Advisor to get their job?

Randoms usually. Prob thought they were getting into sales.

Plugguy · 07-12-2018 01:45AM

misstearheus wrote: »

I've a random question! Who are the Seetec Advisors?!? Like who exactly are they?!? Where did they come from? Are they actually qualified H.R. people? What would the requirements / criteria have been for an Advisor to get their job?

Have a read here...https://jobpathmyexperienceoftheemploymentandskillsprogram.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/employment-advisor-professional/

Seth Brundle · 07-12-2018 07:49AM

misstearheus wrote: »

I've a random question! Who are the Seetec Advisors?!? Like who exactly are they?!? Where did they come from? Are they actually qualified H.R. people? What would the requirements / criteria have been for an Advisor to get their job?

You forgot to ask where they live? :rolleyes:

Why does it matter as long as you get a job?

splinter65 · 07-12-2018 09:01AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You forgot to ask where they live? :rolleyes:

Why does it matter as long as you get a job?

Poster might be thinking of going for after a position with Seetec?

dhaughton99 · 07-12-2018 09:54AM

misstearheus wrote: »

I've a random question! Who are the Seetec Advisors?!? Like who exactly are they?!? Where did they come from? Are they actually qualified H.R. people? What would the requirements / criteria have been for an Advisor to get their job?

They used to be door to door sales for Pre-Pay Power and Vodafone Broadband but settle indoors for the winter months.

Straight Talker · 07-12-2018 11:27PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You forgot to ask where they live? :rolleyes:

Why does it matter as long as you get a job?

The manager at my seetec centre (i looked him up on linkedin) only previous experience prior to seetec, was working in the hospitality sector.His last job was a hotel manager.My pa has barely left college i'd say.And the fella who was giving a talk this morning, was honest enough to admit that his previous work experience was as a plasterer, and office worker with the county council.So as you can see, a lot of staff there don't have much experience with regards to training and teaching people, and dealing with the unemployed etc.The blind leading the blind so to speak.

emilymemily · 08-12-2018 12:08AM

Im wondering if anyone else here has had a similar experience to the one im having and what was the outcome?

Im a teacher, subbing full time up until Christmas. I cancelled my last appointment with Seetec, told my employment adviser I was working full time subbing. She responded.
Im now getting threatening letters from Seetec, The letter stated I had not attended the previous meeting and didnt inform my employment adviser that I would not be attending. They gave me an appointment for another meeting this week and said that my payments will be cut or stopped completely if I dont show up. My SW has been suspended for the last 2 months while ive been employed.
I tried ringing seetec but couldnt get through to anyone, ive emailed my employment adviser but she hasnt replied.
I will most likely need to sign on again once my sub position ends in 2 weeks but im concerned that seetec will create problems and say I havnt engaged with them or that I skipped meetings.

Any help appreciated.

engiweirdo · 08-12-2018 12:19AM

emilymemily wrote: »

Im wondering if anyone else here has had a similar experience to the one im having and what was the outcome?

Im a teacher, subbing full time up until Christmas. I cancelled my last appointment with Seetec, told my employment adviser I was working full time subbing. She responded.
Im now getting threatening letters from Seetec, The letter stated I had not attended the previous meeting and didnt inform my employment adviser that I would not be attending. They gave me an appointment for another meeting this week and said that my payments will be cut or stopped completely if I dont show up. My SW has been suspended for the last 2 months while ive been employed.
I tried ringing seetec but couldnt get through to anyone, ive emailed my employment adviser but she hasnt replied.
I will most likely need to sign on again once my sub position ends in 2 weeks but im concerned that seetec will create problems and say I havnt engaged with them or that I skipped meetings.

Any help appreciated.

Can't get commission from you is all is up with them. Not a hope of them finding a professional job for anybody, but that won't stop them trying to claim it was their work and looking a fee for it.

Contact /Deal with SW Officer directly about the situation, don't waste your time explaining to Seetec. I had a meeting with an officer in SW and he was sound out, gave me contact details for him as he knew TN/Seetec would ignore any requests for training courses outside of dopey manual handling type "certifications". And to let him know if they start acting the maggot. The difference between dealing with a proper qualified civil servant and whatever the other crowd are.

Don't get me wrong, they're just following orders/ going by their script but that doesn't protect yourself.

CramCycle · 08-12-2018 12:52AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

You don't "sign" the PPP though. Not in my case anyway. You use the computer mouse and what is on the screen is nothing like my real signature.

It looks like a 4 year old did it on MS paint!

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that you made, so it is your signiture

Giggle, my signature on a electronic notepad looks nothing like my paper one but it is still my signature.

splinter65 wrote: »

Why not leave the child with the minder or cre you have lined up for when you start work?

An off the cuff childminder if unemployed could set you back your food money for the week. Having one lined up and having one who can take your kid like a babysitter at sort notice are different things, most creches in urban regions are near breaking point with numbers, they certainly won't accept someone on a waiting list policy or for random one off days while you maybe get lucky with an interview.

For a proper interview, you take the hit, it is a gamble that may pay off. For something like this, you have to be ****ting me if you think its unreasonable to bring your kid along with you, they have to know their client base will require this for many people.

TheRealPONeill · 08-12-2018 01:02AM

Grasshooper not to understand a man’s purpose does not make him confused - it makes him understand he does not need to understand such things and just to understand to sign the agreement that is the understanding that allows Seetec to also understand - and collect their fee is their ultimate understanding.

splinter65 · 08-12-2018 08:29AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Giggle, my signature on a electronic notepad looks nothing like my paper one but it is still my signature.

An off the cuff childminder if unemployed could set you back your food money for the week. Having one lined up and having one who can take your kid like a babysitter at sort notice are different things, most creches in urban regions are near breaking point with numbers, they certainly won't accept someone on a waiting list policy or for random one off days while you maybe get lucky with an interview.

For a proper interview, you take the hit, it is a gamble that may pay off. For something like this, you have to be ****ting me if you think its unreasonable to bring your kid along with you, they have to know their client base will require this for many people.

So you think that Seetec/TN should provide crèche facilities? That’s interesting. If you insist on being on Jobseekers when there are at least 2 other payments more suitable you could be on instead then you should just pay for your own babysitter.

CramCycle · 08-12-2018 10:42AM

splinter65 wrote: »

So you think that Seetec/TN should provide cre facilities? That’s interesting. If you insist on being on Jobseekers when there are at least 2 other payments more suitable you could be on instead then you should just pay for your own babysitter.

When did I say that? It's not a real job interview. JS does not give enough money to cover child care for much time. Why could they not bring their child with them and leave them sitting there during the process. It is something that should have been considered during the developing of the process, like a drop in cre in a shopping centre which would be far cheaper than a cre. Nonetheless, such restrictions mean that for alot of parents, getting into the workforce would be very risky/difficult. Basically you risk causing a poverty trap with such ridiculous restrictions.

Fair enough for a job interview where there is a chance you get the job, you take that risk, for something that may achieve nothing and all indications are it is no more use than normal job hunting for many, why would you pay over what could be your family's food shopping for half the week?

splinter65 · 08-12-2018 11:48AM

First of all children do not “sit” anywhere while you deal with business. That is not in the nature of children nor should it be.
Secondly other people are attending Seetec and TN with a view to finding a career path and expect to do that in an adult environment.
If you have children in buggy’s and have no choice but to bring them then there are a choice of other payments that you and your family should be applying for that would be more beneficial. I’ve set out the reasoning behind this further back in this thread.

redbuck · 08-12-2018 11:57AM

Had a few negative experiences with Seetec. After signing up they wouldn't let me apply for jobs that weren't through them.

I wanted to apply for the BTWEA and they wouldn't let me do so.

My personal advisor was clearly out of her depth, she couldn't even type a full sentence. It took her 30 seconds to type my name. She told me just put whatever you want on your CV. She sent me forward for a job in a popcorn factory and told me to put down on my CV that I had worked in another popcorn factory for 2 years. She told me I should be doing cash in hand work on the side.

Very, very unprofessional to deal with. And inn the end I was delighted to get away from them when I decided to emigrate.

Wanderer78 · 08-12-2018 12:07PM

redbuck wrote:

Very, very unprofessional to deal with. And inn the end I was delighted to get away from them when I decided to emigrate.

To be fair, at least they tried to create a career path for you

redbuck · 08-12-2018 01:58PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

To be fair, at least they tried to create a career path for you

Nah they didn't, I went back to construction which I was doing before the recession after having retrained in ICT during the dark years prior to being called up to Jobpath.

Sadly the popcorn factory dream was never realised

Samsgirl · 10-12-2018 01:19PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It's a workplace, it's not a creche!
If you had a job somewhere would you and your co-workers be allowed bring your kids in tow?

If you had a job somewhere you could afford childcare

Wanderer78 · 10-12-2018 01:21PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

If you had a job somewhere you 'might be able to' afford childcare

fyp;)

misstearheus · 11-12-2018 03:44PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You forgot to ask where they live? :rolleyes:

Why does it matter as long as you get a job?

Besides sometimes forgetting, I don't usually come back to posts. But your no-reason Eye-roll made me do it. Your sarcasm indicates I was asking multiple un-reasonable questions, if you read my post again, all's I was asking was about qualification or how they're recruited. And I think people are allowed to ask questions here.

Again it was just a random question of interest is all. They do help people get jobs. I wasn't examining or questioning their work or anything.

*subscribes to Thread*

/ibtl

Seth Brundle · 11-12-2018 05:00PM

misstearheus wrote: »

Besides sometimes forgetting, I don't usually come back to posts. But your no-reason Eye-roll made me do it. Your sarcasm indicates I was asking multiple un-reasonable questions, if you read my post again, all's I was asking was about qualification or how they're recruited. And I think people are allowed to ask questions here.

Again it was just a random question of interest is all. They do help people get jobs. I wasn't examining or questioning their work or anything.

*subscribes to Thread*

/ibtl

In what other state agencies have you posted these questions online?

CramCycle · 11-12-2018 06:49PM

splinter65 wrote: »

First of all children do not “sit” anywhere while you deal with business. That is not in the nature of children nor should it be.
Secondly other people are attending Seetec and TN with a view to finding a career path and expect to do that in an adult environment.
If you have children in buggy’s and have no choice but to bring them then there are a choice of other payments that you and your family should be applying for that would be more beneficial. I’ve set out the reasoning behind this further back in this thread.

Well then maybe seetec should have been contracted to have a drop in creche on site as part of their tender but my kids would be fine with it. Admittedly, I'd probably pawn them off but I should be able to bring them.

It would be a small percentage of people this would be an issue for, considering school kicks in at 4 or 5, so you really are talking about accommodating families where only one parent is unemployed or it is a single parent family, where their kid or kids are between 0.5 and 5 years old, and for whom its more suitable to bring their child. I hardly imagine they are going to be inundated with kids.

For the questionnaire bit, they could hand them the questionnaire and ask them to come back in a day or two if it was unmanageable.

Got Called To Go On Jobpath

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