Got Called To Go On Jobpath

splinter65

CramCycle wrote: »

Well then maybe seetec should have been contracted to have a drop in creche on site as part of their tender but my kids would be fine with it. Admittedly, I'd probably pawn them off but I should be able to bring them.

It would be a small percentage of people this would be an issue for, considering school kicks in at 4 or 5, so you really are talking about accommodating families where only one parent is unemployed or it is a single parent family, where their kid or kids are between 0.5 and 5 years old, and for whom its more suitable to bring their child. I hardly imagine they are going to be inundated with kids.

For the questionnaire bit, they could hand them the questionnaire and ask them to come back in a day or two if it was unmanageable.

There’s no reason for a lone parent of a child under 7 to be on JSA, they should be on OPFP which excludes them from being subject to Jobseekers conditions.
There’s no reason for anyone who’s partner is in a low income job to be on JSA either. The working partner should be claiming WFP and BTWFD instead.
There’s no reason for the parents of children in buggy’s to be on Jobseekers and that’s why there’s no kids allowed at Seetec/TN offices.

CramCycle

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no reason for a lone parent of a child under 7 to be on JSA, they should be on OPFP which excludes them from being subject to Jobseekers conditions.
There’s no reason for anyone who’s partner is in a low income job to be on JSA either. The working partner should be claiming WFP and BTWFD instead.
There’s no reason for the parents of children in buggy’s to be on Jobseekers and that’s why there’s no kids allowed at Seetec/TN offices.

All correct, and the next points are slightly tongue in cheek but not impossible.
Looking at the conditions for those, it is simply far easier to remain on Jobseekers than transfer over in many scenarios (from reading through the descriptions page).
Do you still get the access to training schemes through all of these payments, I can't figure it out, and people I have talked too tell me that not everyone at their office is as helpful as they could be.
These would be the two main reasons, which are very different, so there are reasons, they just might not be good or believable. The first I imagine is the most obvious one, the latter, I don't know enough about. Can you do courses like Springboard etc. through all of the above schemes, do all of these schemes provide enough to cover childcare as you go to training courses.
Whatever the reason, I really cannot see the reason why, in the very few cases it might occur, a person would object to them having a kid with them. It certainly won't be everyone, typically they will be younger and maybe, just maybe, they could just be human and accept that the person is trying and maybe JSA is the most suitable option as far as this person is aware. They are trying to get back out there working and this appears to be the most viable option.

fryup

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s no reason for a lone parent of a child under 7 to be on JSA, they should be on OPFP which excludes them from being subject to Jobseekers conditions.
There’s no reason for anyone who’s partner is in a low income job to be on JSA either. The working partner should be claiming WFP and BTWFD instead.
There’s no reason for the parents of children in buggy’s to be on Jobseekers and that’s why there’s no kids allowed at Seetec/TN offices.

Straight Question: splinter65 > do you work for the dept of social welfare?? now or in the past?

thereality

OP I seen a post of yours from 5 years 5 months ago saying that you were on welfare. Considering you have been on welfare for 7 years, I find it disturbing that someone can be on it so long without it being cut.

So what is Seetac is a for profit company. What is a worser evil to society a company making a profit as they are intended to do or someone sitting on their hole thinking should not a job, as a for profit company thinks they should get one?

Enlighten me on what efforts you have made to get a job in the last seven years? From your comments, you come across as quite intelligent. You seem very capable at advising others on how to bleed the state dry...

prinzeugen

The problem with Jobpath is its all about full-time employment.

Earn €20/hr in a part time job? Nope must get full time job earning €10/hour.

The thing that pisses me off is that they don't class part time work as employment.

I was working 3 part time jobs at one point. But as far as they are concerned I have been long term unemployed since 2009 as that was when I last had a 9-5, 40 hour/ week job.

I still work part time and am on this bloody thing. Yes it may be good for people that have done zero work in years, but to be told that bursting your balls trying to juggle 3 part time jobs "is not good enough" is fecking insulting.

Seth Brundle

Lion Killer wrote: »

Frankly, the dole office are going to be of no use to me in finding a job. I have a degree in a specific area and am focusing my applications on this area. I am just struggling to get in the door of a company. i don't think they can help me with anything. I will drag my heels as much as possible to avoid being put on some silly course that will benefit me in no way whatsoever.

How long have you been trying to get an interview with a company in your chosen area?
From what I'm reading you'd rather be unemployed in the off chance that you get an interview (never mind a job offer) in your chosen area rather than reskill yourself and get a job in another area.

Having been part of the recruitment process in my own workplaces I'd favour someone actively working (anywhere) rather than someone sitting at home waiting for a job interview to land on their lap but good luck with your attempts.

Straight Talker

thereality wrote: »

OP I seen a post of yours from 5 years 5 months ago saying that you were on welfare. Considering you have been on welfare for 7 years, I find it disturbing that someone can be on it so long without it being cut.

So what is Seetac is a for profit company. What is a worser evil to society a company making a profit as they are intended to do or someone sitting on their hole thinking should not a job, as a for profit company thinks they should get one?

Enlighten me on what efforts you have made to get a job in the last seven years? From your comments, you come across as quite intelligent. You seem very capable at advising others on how to bleed the state dry...

I have done courses and worked on and off.Not that it's any of your business.I haven't been unemployed for 7 years either.I look for work, and i show my efforts to look for work.I do everything that's asked of me.I have nothing to hide, and no case to answer to anyone.What have you done with your life, that entitles you to moralize and pontificate to others?The payment is called jobseekers allowance, and that is what it is for.People looking for a job.

thereality

Straight Talker wrote: »

Not that it's any of your business.

You see the thing is there is no such thing as the tooth fairy or Santa, that welfare you receive every Thursday does not come out of thin air. It is paid for with the taxes, I and others pay from working. I would be absolutely be disgusted if someone was on the scratcher for seven years without some meaningful effort to get a job. I would be quite alarmed that there is not someone breathing down the neck of someone on welfare with such a strong economy and someone being on it for seven years

Straight Talker wrote: »

I haven't been unemployed for 7 years either.I look for work, and i show my efforts to look for work.I do everything that's asked of me.

Why don't you have a job then? We are near employment. There are tons of jobs out there

Straight Talker wrote: »

I have nothing to hide, and no case to answer to anyone.

Looking at your post history, I am sure you are ticking all the right boxes... Showing your effort...

Straight Talker wrote: »

What have you done with your life, that entitles you to moralize and pontificate to others?

Never been on welfare.

I don't have a problem with it. I agree with the idea of a welfare state. I think it is amazing that we can all have a high standard of living. I just think there is a small minority in this country, that are abusing it. 10/15 years ago, it was frowned upon. Now if you don't have the red carpet rolled out, you are now the victim

Straight Talker wrote: »

The payment is called jobseekers allowance, and that is what it is for.People looking for a job.

There is a difference between looking for a job and looking for a job.

I think it should be for people looking for a job. I don't know if you are really looking for one...

Straight Talker

thereality wrote: »

You see the thing is there is no such thing as the tooth fairy or Santa, that welfare you receive every Thursday does not come out of thin air. It is paid for with the taxes, I and others pay from working. I would be absolutely be disgusted if someone was on the scratcher for seven years without some meaningful effort to get a job. I would be quite alarmed that there is not someone breathing down the neck of someone on welfare with such a strong economy and someone being on it for seven years



Why don't you have a job then? We are near employment. There are tons of jobs out there



Looking at your post history, I am sure you are ticking all the right boxes... Showing your effort...



Never been on welfare.

I don't have a problem with it. I agree with the idea of a welfare state. I think it is amazing that we can all have a high standard of living. I just think there is a small minority in this country, that are abusing it. 10/15 years ago, it was frowned upon. Now if you don't have the red carpet rolled out, you are now the victim



There is a difference between looking for a job and looking for a job.

I think it should be for people looking for a job. I don't know if you are really looking for one...

I have not been on welfare for 7 years.I made no post from 5 years ago, referring to being on welfare either.I also find, your sweeping generalizations, about the unemployed to be insulting.When you send out CV'S and you don't get a reply etc.Mental health issues are also a barrier, to gaining employment.So unless you are gaining revenue, by illegal means on the side, then no one wants to be on welfare.I have a feeling that you are, an employee of Seetec/Turas Nua.You are aware that there has been a highlighted case, of someone who attempted to commit suicide, due to being bullied intimidated and abused, by Seetec/Turas Nua staff?People like you and your attitude, give some of the bullies in Seetec/Turas Nua an excuse, to get away with their behavior.

mp22

thereality wrote: »

OP I seen a post of yours from 5 years 5 months ago saying that you were on welfare. Considering you have been on welfare for 7 years, I find it disturbing that someone can be on it so long without it being cut.

So what is Seetac is a for profit company. What is a worser evil to society a company making a profit as they are intended to do or someone sitting on their hole thinking should not a job, as a for profit company thinks they should get one?

Enlighten me on what efforts you have made to get a job in the last seven years? From your comments, you come across as quite intelligent. You seem very capable at advising others on how to bleed the state dry...

Please quote the post ...thanks

Plugguy

Lion Killer wrote: »

I am back from the individual meeting. I had a productive chat with the person/adviser. When it came to signing the PPP I refused to do so. The adviser did not mind at all. LOL. I asked would I be penalised for not signing and I was told no. Then I asked what the point of signing the PPP was at all if there is no penalty or benefit even to signing it? The adviser did not know.

Forgive me, this is a stupid question. Why would I voluntarily sign this agreement that I do not need to sign? I don't understand. I will not be penalised or anything for not signing it.

Seeing as I have not signed it, does this mean I do not need to follow up with the person to things that were spoken about on the unsigned PPP? Sending a CV to the adviser by a certain date etc.

I thought that it was compulsory to sign the PPP. I know that the consent form is not compulsory to sign. I imagine you will have to engage with you personal advisor. Some FAQ's here form the welfare website. http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath-Frequently-Asked-Questions-Jobseeker.aspx

Jimmyireland

https://www.thejournal.ie/jobpath-committee-4444680-Jan2019/?fbclid=IwAR09mooa_mgk6Ahy2wGslxTI7UCoquiEsvKc4IMVLWi3TuHKkD63UzdhGB4