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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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  • #7322
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    they will now publish the full legal advise tomorrow.
    its unprecedented for a government to be found in contempt of parliament.


    now there is a suspicion that they got the worst of it out of the way yesterday but there will be a lot of stuff for MP's to get excited about and throw at may over the next week,

    if she ever had any chance of her getting her deal done its gone now.


    its hard to see her survive a no confidence vote if one comes now after the meaningful vote is lost.


  • #7323
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Leadsom already announced the advice will be published tomorrow.

    Think she said the government will make a statement tomorrow, don't think she said it would be published tomorrow


  • #7324
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Think she said the government will make a statement tomorrow, don't think she said it would be published tomorrow


    i understood it to mean it would be published tomorrow.


  • #7325
    BabyCheeses
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭BabyCheeses


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    ^^ so basically nobody has the slightest Scooby Do about what to actually do!

    It's been a productive few years.


  • #7326
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Officially declared in contempt by 311 votes to 293.

    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1070001166464049152


    Video here if you're interested . Of course this is all just pantomime and will make very little difference.


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  • #7327
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,079 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    LeinsterDub wrote: »

    Video here if you're interested . Of course this is all just pantomime and will make very little difference.

    Which way did the DUP vote?


  • #7328
    maximoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭maximoose


    farmchoice wrote: »
    i understood it to mean it would be published tomorrow.

    Yep, it'll be out tomorrow


  • #7329
    Awesomeness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which way did the DUP vote?

    Against. According to Dodds they did not break the confidence and supply agreement. Theresa May broke it


  • #7330
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which way did the DUP vote?
    Given the numbers they must have voted against the government.

    The guardian say they voted against.


  • #7331
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,995 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Which way did the DUP vote?

    Against the government


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  • #7332
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,079 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Awesomeness wrote: »
    Against. According to Dodds they did not break the confidence and supply agreement. Theresa May broke it

    'I know you are but what am I' level response by Dodd's. Unsurprisingly.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Given the numbers they must have voted against the government.
    The guardian say they voted against.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Against the government

    First time ever government has been found in contempt by Parliament apparently.


  • #7333
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,077 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And let us not forget that Davis should have been found in contempt with his little ruse about the impact statements.


  • #7334
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    The Grieve amendment being debated now will be interesting to watch. If passed it means that MPs can direct what the government is to do if the vote next week fails to pass. So in theory they can say no deal, 2nd ref, remain and so on.


  • #7335
    Awesomeness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    Hurrache wrote: »
    The Grieve amendment being debated now will be interesting to watch. If passed it means that MPs can direct what the government is to do if the vote next week fails to pass. So in theory they can say no deal, 2nd ref, remain and so on.

    But wont they still need to find a majority to vote for one of these options?

    If so isn't it most likely they vote to open talks with EU again and the EU tells them no


  • #7336
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Awesomeness wrote: »
    But wont they still need to find a majority to vote for one of these options?

    If so isn't it most likely they vote to open talks with EU again and the EU tells them no

    The EU will say "no" to any unravelling of the May deal.

    But if the UK went back to them and said it wanted full membership of the Single Market, that would be a whole new ball game.


  • #7337
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,016 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Lady Hermon (Independent Unionist MP) just put the DUP in their place in the HoC by eloquently pointing out they in no way represent the majority of people in Northern Ireland. Alas she is only one MP, but we need to hear a lot more from her.


  • #7338
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post deleted. Don't dump links here please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #7339
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    maximoose wrote: »
    Yep, it'll be out tomorrow


    I guess it depends if they want MPs to see the advice or not. Nowhere does it say that they will publish it, only that they will respond to finding of contempt. They surely would have more plans to delay the publication if they are determined not to have it published.

    All other comments on it so far seems to be that the government cannot delay much longer but no action to make them publish it either.


  • #7340
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭cml387


    Since the Grieve amendment was passed, there is a path for the PM to win the vote.
    If the Brexiteers vote no and the house vote on a way forward, they loose the possibility of a no deal.

    Therefore the agreement as it stands is the best worst option.

    Meanwhile Corbyn is on his feet, once again confusing everybody.


  • #7341
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    As for the debate on the Withdrawal Agreement, it seems to me that Theresa May is back to being in dream land. They will leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ, they will not be paying exorbitant amounts to the EU, they will end free movement of people. The deal is not brilliant but it is a good deal that has something for everyone.

    On a second referendum, it will only prolong the debate on the EU and the UK in the EU. But I don't see how taking her deal makes it go away.


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  • #7342
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,627 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    cml387 wrote: »
    Since the Grieve amendment was passed, there is a path for the PM to win the vote.
    If the Brexiteers vote no and the house vote on a way forward, they loose the possibility of a no deal.

    Therefore the agreement as it stands is the best worst option.

    Meanwhile Corbyn is on his feet, once again confusing everybody.

    I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.


  • #7343
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Corbyn is completely clueless, can someone explain to me what he actually wants?

    It seems to be that he believes he will make his own idea of what Brexit should be like and the EU will just go along with it?

    He's really not living in the real world, a proper opposition would have buried this laughable Tory party ages ago.


  • #7344
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    It looks like the confidence and supply agreement is now broken with the DUP and this is how the vote for Mays deal will go unless she can somehow get them back on side. Not sure how the Tories can continue in power from here.


  • #7345
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,520 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    devnull wrote: »
    Corbyn is completely clueless, can someone explain to me what he actually wants?

    It seems to be that he believes he will make his own idea of what Brexit should be like and the EU will just go along with it?

    He's really not living in the real world, a proper opposition would have buried this laughable Tory party ages ago.
    Pretty much yes; take your deluded hardcore Brexiteer and replace crisis capitalism with 50s social state owning all major utilities etc. and you're pretty much there.


  • #7346
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    tuxy wrote: »
    It looks like the confidence and supply agreement is now broken with the DUP and this is how the vote for Mays deal will go unless she can somehow get them back on side. Not sure how the Tories can continue in power from here.
    ...but the alternative to vote for Mays agreement is to side with SF loving Corbyn.
    They're in a pickle!


  • #7347
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Nody wrote: »
    Pretty much yes; take your deluded hardcore Brexiteer and replace crisis capitalism with 50s social state owning all major utilities etc. and you're pretty much there.

    Whatever about Brexit etc. the UK will really be catastrophic trouble if Corbyn gets his hands on power, in the US there was an entire system dedicated to ensuring people like Corbyn never got anywhere near political power.


  • #7348
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭cml387


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.

    Don't see that. If the commons have a say in the post-rejection scenario, a crash out scenario will be voted down by a majority.


  • #7349
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,068 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    theguzman wrote: »
    Whatever about Brexit etc. the UK will really be catastrophic trouble if Corbyn gets his hands on power, in the US there was an entire system dedicated to ensuring people like Corbyn never got anywhere near political power.

    And to think they did this themselves. Marvellous just watching them tear each other apart.


  • #7350
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    cml387 wrote: »
    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.

    Don't see that. If the commons have a say in the post-rejection scenario, a crash out scenario will be voted down by a majority.

    Which is what he said.


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  • #7351
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Looks like the BBC have cancelled the Brexit debate:

    https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1069985007459069954

    Can't see it achieving much anyway.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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