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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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farmchoice

they will now publish the full legal advise tomorrow.
its unprecedented for a government to be found in contempt of parliament.

now there is a suspicion that they got the worst of it out of the way yesterday but there will be a lot of stuff for MP's to get excited about and throw at may over the next week,

if she ever had any chance of her getting her deal done its gone now.

its hard to see her survive a no confidence vote if one comes now after the meaningful vote is lost.

c.p.w.g.w

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Leadsom already announced the advice will be published tomorrow.

Think she said the government will make a statement tomorrow, don't think she said it would be published tomorrow

farmchoice

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Think she said the government will make a statement tomorrow, don't think she said it would be published tomorrow

i understood it to mean it would be published tomorrow.

BabyCheeses

Leroy42 wrote: »

^^ so basically nobody has the slightest Scooby Do about what to actually do!

It's been a productive few years.

LeinsterDub

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Officially declared in contempt by 311 votes to 293.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1070001166464049152

Video here if you're interested . Of course this is all just pantomime and will make very little difference.

Tell me how

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Video here if you're interested . Of course this is all just pantomime and will make very little difference.

Which way did the DUP vote?

maximoose

farmchoice wrote: »

i understood it to mean it would be published tomorrow.

Yep, it'll be out tomorrow

Awesomeness

Tell me how wrote: »

Which way did the DUP vote?

Against. According to Dodds they did not break the confidence and supply agreement. Theresa May broke it

[Deleted User]

Tell me how wrote: »

Which way did the DUP vote?

Given the numbers they must have voted against the government.

The guardian say they voted against.

VinLieger

Tell me how wrote: »

Which way did the DUP vote?

Against the government

Tell me how

Awesomeness wrote: »

Against. According to Dodds they did not break the confidence and supply agreement. Theresa May broke it

'I know you are but what am I' level response by Dodd's. Unsurprisingly.

Deleted User wrote: »

Given the numbers they must have voted against the government.
The guardian say they voted against.

VinLieger wrote: »

Against the government

First time ever government has been found in contempt by Parliament apparently.

Leroy42

And let us not forget that Davis should have been found in contempt with his little ruse about the impact statements.

Hurrache

The Grieve amendment being debated now will be interesting to watch. If passed it means that MPs can direct what the government is to do if the vote next week fails to pass. So in theory they can say no deal, 2nd ref, remain and so on.

Awesomeness

Hurrache wrote: »

The Grieve amendment being debated now will be interesting to watch. If passed it means that MPs can direct what the government is to do if the vote next week fails to pass. So in theory they can say no deal, 2nd ref, remain and so on.

But wont they still need to find a majority to vote for one of these options?

If so isn't it most likely they vote to open talks with EU again and the EU tells them no

Strazdas

Awesomeness wrote: »

But wont they still need to find a majority to vote for one of these options?

If so isn't it most likely they vote to open talks with EU again and the EU tells them no

The EU will say "no" to any unravelling of the May deal.

But if the UK went back to them and said it wanted full membership of the Single Market, that would be a whole new ball game.

bilston

Lady Hermon (Independent Unionist MP) just put the DUP in their place in the HoC by eloquently pointing out they in no way represent the majority of people in Northern Ireland. Alas she is only one MP, but we need to hear a lot more from her.

ancapailldorcha

Post deleted. Don't dump links here please.

Enzokk

maximoose wrote: »

Yep, it'll be out tomorrow

I guess it depends if they want MPs to see the advice or not. Nowhere does it say that they will publish it, only that they will respond to finding of contempt. They surely would have more plans to delay the publication if they are determined not to have it published.

All other comments on it so far seems to be that the government cannot delay much longer but no action to make them publish it either.

cml387

Since the Grieve amendment was passed, there is a path for the PM to win the vote.
If the Brexiteers vote no and the house vote on a way forward, they loose the possibility of a no deal.

Therefore the agreement as it stands is the best worst option.

Meanwhile Corbyn is on his feet, once again confusing everybody.

Enzokk

As for the debate on the Withdrawal Agreement, it seems to me that Theresa May is back to being in dream land. They will leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ, they will not be paying exorbitant amounts to the EU, they will end free movement of people. The deal is not brilliant but it is a good deal that has something for everyone.

On a second referendum, it will only prolong the debate on the EU and the UK in the EU. But I don't see how taking her deal makes it go away.

10000maniacs

cml387 wrote: »

Since the Grieve amendment was passed, there is a path for the PM to win the vote.
If the Brexiteers vote no and the house vote on a way forward, they loose the possibility of a no deal.

Therefore the agreement as it stands is the best worst option.

Meanwhile Corbyn is on his feet, once again confusing everybody.

I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.

devnull

Corbyn is completely clueless, can someone explain to me what he actually wants?

It seems to be that he believes he will make his own idea of what Brexit should be like and the EU will just go along with it?

He's really not living in the real world, a proper opposition would have buried this laughable Tory party ages ago.

tuxy

It looks like the confidence and supply agreement is now broken with the DUP and this is how the vote for Mays deal will go unless she can somehow get them back on side. Not sure how the Tories can continue in power from here.

Nody

devnull wrote: »

Corbyn is completely clueless, can someone explain to me what he actually wants?

It seems to be that he believes he will make his own idea of what Brexit should be like and the EU will just go along with it?

He's really not living in the real world, a proper opposition would have buried this laughable Tory party ages ago.

Pretty much yes; take your deluded hardcore Brexiteer and replace crisis capitalism with 50s social state owning all major utilities etc. and you're pretty much there.

Seth Brundle

tuxy wrote: »

It looks like the confidence and supply agreement is now broken with the DUP and this is how the vote for Mays deal will go unless she can somehow get them back on side. Not sure how the Tories can continue in power from here.

...but the alternative to vote for Mays agreement is to side with SF loving Corbyn.
They're in a pickle!

theguzman

Nody wrote: »

Pretty much yes; take your deluded hardcore Brexiteer and replace crisis capitalism with 50s social state owning all major utilities etc. and you're pretty much there.

Whatever about Brexit etc. the UK will really be catastrophic trouble if Corbyn gets his hands on power, in the US there was an entire system dedicated to ensuring people like Corbyn never got anywhere near political power.

cml387

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.

Don't see that. If the commons have a say in the post-rejection scenario, a crash out scenario will be voted down by a majority.

Fann Linn

theguzman wrote: »

Whatever about Brexit etc. the UK will really be catastrophic trouble if Corbyn gets his hands on power, in the US there was an entire system dedicated to ensuring people like Corbyn never got anywhere near political power.

And to think they did this themselves. Marvellous just watching them tear each other apart.

An Ciarraioch

cml387 wrote: »

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think the Grieve amendment makes the no-Brexit scenario more likely.

Don't see that. If the commons have a say in the post-rejection scenario, a crash out scenario will be voted down by a majority.

Which is what he said.

ancapailldorcha

Looks like the BBC have cancelled the Brexit debate:

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1069985007459069954

Can't see it achieving much anyway.