Poor junior ministers on €130,000 a year cant afford hotels.

0ph0rce0 · 03-12-2018 09:49PM

NSAman wrote: »

I call BS,,,, here...

https://www.hotels.com/ho233696/?q-check-out=2018-12-05&FPQ=1&q-check-in=2018-12-03&WOE=3&WOD=1&q-room-0-children=0&pa=1&tab=description&JHR=1&q-room-0-adults=2&YGF=0&MGT=2&ZSX=0&SYE=3

Simple search two seconds.. not 500 a week

I reckon its 5 star only for these folks, they wouldn't be mingling with us peasants. The Westbury, Shelbourne etc...

If they can't afford it why don't they find something a bit cheaper, common sense ffs.

Hmm this is costing me 500 a night/week. Oh **** that maybe I'll stay somewhere else a bit cheaper.

It's that easy.

Sephiroth_dude · 03-12-2018 11:24PM

Overpaid ass clowns!

astrofool · 03-12-2018 11:45PM

Barlett wrote: »

If you think teaching begins at 9 am & finishes at 2.30 / 4 pm you have a hell of a lot to learn about the working world

You tell em! For 3 months during summer and Easter and Christmas and Hallowe'en and all public holidays, they don't even have to start at 9! And if they manage to schedule their classes accordingly, they can be finished by 3:10pm! Hell, if you call in sick all the time or turn up drunk, you can ride it out for a few years where you barely have to go into the school at all while the union keeps you in tenure, and the best bit, you get to attempt to go to Dáil Eireann and all of it's perks and return back to your teaching job if it all goes pear shaped such as if you start asking for things like extra expenses!

elperello · 03-12-2018 11:58PM

The "place of work" argument does not apply to TD's as the country TD's have to stay away from home. If they were not allowed to claim for staying in Dublin they would be at a disadvantage compared to Dublin members.

There appears to be an anomaly with regard to Minister's of State.

It is fair that there is a rate for the job plus expenses incurred in doing the job.

That is normal in most jobs.

As to what the salary and expenses level should be, that is another days work.

TallGlass · 04-12-2018 12:09AM

It's official. Boards.ie has lost its ****ing mind. People are agreeing that junior ministers, what ever the **** a junior minister is, who get 130k and 30k unvouched expenses (that's 48k or so for a PAYE worker after tax is paid) are not paid enoght and we should be forking out for there hotels, as they have to travel to Dublin. You'd have though they would have read the fine print, that they might have to put there hand into there pockets or into the expenses.

AGC · 04-12-2018 12:11AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I reckon its 5 star only for these folks, they wouldn't be mingling with us peasants. The Westbury, Shelbourne etc...

If they can't afford it why don't they find something a bit cheaper, common sense ffs.

Hmm this is costing me 500 a night/week. Oh **** that maybe I'll stay somewhere else a bit cheaper.

It's that easy.

Do you really think a MOS is going to overnight in the Shelbourne or Westbury? That would be in the papers a long time before this story.

limnam · 04-12-2018 12:14AM

room in foxrock for 180e a month at the mo on daft.

Just need to cook the landlady a dinner and grab her shopping.

Save a fortune

fritzelly · 04-12-2018 12:17AM

There's always AirBnB, oh wait...I smell something fishy going on here...

I'll wait for the survey to see how often they are actually ever in Dublin...me ponders over certain TD's...

Barlett · 04-12-2018 12:48AM

astrofool wrote: »

You tell em! For 3 months during summer and Easter and Christmas and Hallowe'en and all public holidays, they don't even have to start at 9! And if they manage to schedule their classes accordingly, they can be finished by 3:10pm! Hell, if you call in sick all the time or turn up drunk, you can ride it out for a few years where you barely have to go into the school at all while the union keeps you in tenure, and the best bit, you get to attempt to go to Dáil Eireann and all of it's perks and return back to your teaching job if it all goes pear shaped such as if you start asking for things like extra expenses!

I know & yet there’s still a shortage of teachers can’t believe more people don’t want to do such an amazing, easy job . And no I’m not a teacher, because I couldn’t deal with 30 moaning kids

vicwatson · 04-12-2018 12:52AM

That Kehoe lad took in 141 k last year and the tool wants free hotels too. Go and ****e, the lot of ye

04-12-2018 01:04AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Not if it's your usual place of work. This is not travel, it's not like their place of work is their constituency office in Claire, Cork or wherever else.

Their home consistency would be their place of work and where their home is. It’s the equivalent of having to travel to another office in the company away from your home office in the private sector and you would be able to expense the trip even if it’s a regular occurance.

More nonsense outrage from the AH pitchfork brigade. The fact is they should be able to expense the hotels and their meals etc too while in Dublin away from their home office.

mgn · 04-12-2018 01:18AM

They have lost touch with the average man and woman with there high wages big pensions and unvouched expenses of 30,000 a year.If i give €20 to some young lad in summer to cut the lawn in a rental property,I cant claim for it because i don't have a receipt for it.Yet these clowns can claim for everything and no need for a receipt for them.One law for them and another for the rest of us.

mgn · 04-12-2018 01:23AM

Kyrie Obnoxious Collie wrote: »

Their home consistency would be their place of work and where their home is. It’s the equivalent of having to travel to another office in the company away from your home office in the private sector and you would be able to expense the trip even if it’s a regular occurance.

More nonsense outrage from the AH pitchfork brigade. The fact is they should be able to expense the hotels and their meals etc too while in Dublin away from their home office.

Why are their expenses unvouched so.What's so different about them.Everyone else needs receipts.

SeanW · 04-12-2018 01:24AM

mgn wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-want-state-to-pay-our-hotel-bills-say-fine-gael-junior-ministers-on-130000-37587696.html

These overpaid clowns are starting to get on my nerves complaining they cant afford hotels in Dublin midweek,and getting €130,000 a year.They will be soon off on holidays again for another few weeks.Where in the world pays ministers with a small population like Ireland that sort of money anyway.

F//k them. Let them pay like the rest of us. Then maybe they'll do something about the cost of accommodation in Dublin. C***s.

04-12-2018 01:25AM

mgn wrote: »

They have lost touch with the average man and woman with there high wages big pensions and unvouched expenses of 30,000 a year.If i give €20 to some young lad in summer to cut the lawn in a rental property,I cant claim for it because i don't have a receipt for it.Yet these clowns can claim for everything and no need for a receipt for them.One law for them and another for the rest of us.

Unvouched expenses is not unusual in either public or private sector jobs where expense have a daily rate or set amount for an expense.

As an example I claim a dinner rate of 60 euro for all my dinners when I travel but sometimes I might eat in McDonald’s for a 10er. I don’t have to produce a receipt as I’m using approved expense rates.

mgn wrote: »

Why are their expenses unvouched so.What's so different about them.Everyone else needs receipts.

As above everyone doesn’t need receipts. I know lots of people who travel for work who don’t have to produce receipts for everything (myself included). Some get a set amount per day regardless of what they spend (usually a high figure which comfortably leaves money over after covering expenses) others need to keep receipts for somethings (taxis say) but not other things.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-12-2018 01:27AM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Comparative holidays to hours worked/salary

"But Maaaaam, HE got one, so I want one too..."

Charles Babbage · 04-12-2018 01:28AM

The usual pointless ranting here.
No employee should have to pay to do their employers work.

It isn' rocket science the government should have a building convenient to the required offices with 6 bedrooms or whatever and make these available, without complicated expenses or some hotel taking a cut.

Wheeliebin30 · 04-12-2018 07:29AM

Kyrie Obnoxious Collie wrote: »

Unvouched expenses is not unusual in either public or private sector jobs where expense have a daily rate or set amount for an expense.

As an example I claim a dinner rate of 60 euro for all my dinners when I travel but sometimes I might eat in McDonald’s for a 10er. I don’t have to produce a receipt as I’m using approved expense rates.

As above everyone doesn’t need receipts. I know lots of people who travel for work who don’t have to produce receipts for everything (myself included). Some get a set amount per day regardless of what they spend (usually a high figure which comfortably leaves money over after covering expenses) others need to keep receipts for somethings (taxis say) but not other things.

Is it 60 for when you travel?

suicide_circus · 04-12-2018 07:45AM

how is their productivity measured?

Wanderer78 · 04-12-2018 07:46AM

suicide_circus wrote:

how is their productivity measured?

Are humans really production machines?

Sheep breeder · 04-12-2018 08:26AM

Two of the ministers complaining are wexicans and not to far away from Dublin and half their voters travel to Dublin every day to work and return home.
Talk about double standards for the upper power.

Huntergonzo · 04-12-2018 08:49AM

In fairness the public does an awful lot of complaining about things like this but sweet fa in actually doing something about it.

Look, why not get up off your hole, get elected to the Dail and then cut your own salary by say 50%? People are mad keen to cut their own wages don't you know.

meeeeh · 04-12-2018 10:56AM

Kyrie Obnoxious Collie wrote: »

Unvouched expenses is not unusual in either public or private sector jobs where expense have a daily rate or set amount for an expense.

As an example I claim a dinner rate of 60 euro for all my dinners when I travel but sometimes I might eat in McDonald’s for a 10er. I don’t have to produce a receipt as I’m using approved expense rates.

As above everyone doesn’t need receipts. I know lots of people who travel for work who don’t have to produce receipts for everything (myself included). Some get a set amount per day regardless of what they spend (usually a high figure which comfortably leaves money over after covering expenses) others need to keep receipts for somethings (taxis say) but not other things.

Public service subsistence rates would never get you to the amount td's can claim unvouched. The rates are extremely generous. I don't mind if Td's claim expenses but I don't buy the whole constituency thing, especially for ministers. For a minister their responsibilities should be to the state and not to deal with the stuff local councils should be dealing with. Government is situated in Dublin and that's where their place of work is. I would make some allowances for the fact that position is more precarious but about it.

04-12-2018 11:04AM

Surely a country should want the best ministers it can get. If there aren't expenses, you're limiting yourself to people who live close.

04-12-2018 11:55AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Is it 60 for when you travel?

Yes anytime I have to go somewhere other than my normal place of work be it around Ireland or abroad. There are set rates for breakfast, lunch and dinner which I can claim or I can put in a receipt. It’s almost always better to claim the rate as it’s nromally very generous, they are designed to cover all the other bits and pieces like snacks, bottles of water etc also that if you opt for fully vouched expenses (which you can if you want) you have to collect every receipt no matter how small in order to get all your spending reimbursed.

60 was a rough example the rate varies between cities and countries. Hotels and flights we have people to book for us so don’t need to have pay and get receipts either.

meeeeh wrote: »

Public service subsistence rates would never get you to the amount td's can claim unvouched. The rates are extremely generous. I don't mind if Td's claim expenses but I don't buy the whole constituency thing, especially for ministers. For a minister their responsibilities should be to the state and not to deal with the stuff local councils should be dealing with. Government is situated in Dublin and that's where their place of work is. I would make some allowances for the fact that position is more precarious but about it.

Yes but TDs are the equivalent of very senior people in the public sector who would likely be flying around the world business class (hell even people in only ok jobs in the private sector get business class on long haul), have a company credit card with no questions asked on spending etc. I think people need to wake up to the level of job a being a TD or minister is, it should be extremely well paid and have a lot of perks. It’s basially a 24/7/365 job too which many people forget.

It’s like the outrage anytime the government jet is used, it’s nonsense the thing should be in constant use flying ministers, TDs and the president around (the president or taoiseach should never have to fly commercial even for private trips, ever), any other country does it!!

Grayson · 04-12-2018 12:34PM

NSAman wrote: »

I call BS,,,, here...

https://www.hotels.com/ho233696/?q-check-out=2018-12-05&FPQ=1&q-check-in=2018-12-03&WOE=3&WOD=1&q-room-0-children=0&pa=1&tab=description&JHR=1&q-room-0-adults=2&YGF=0&MGT=2&ZSX=0&SYE=3

Simple search two seconds.. not 500 a week

There were only two results in that search and both were youth hostels.

troyzer · 04-12-2018 12:37PM

It's hard to feel sympathy for them but at the same time, how many jobs can you think of where you're required to work away from home so often and stay in a hotel at your own expense?

I'm a civil servant and even I don't pay for my own hotels. It's really weird that they have to.

Grayson · 04-12-2018 12:54PM

I have to travel for work. I stay in hotels like the Marriott. The rooms are average size. They're not suites or anything like that. And they generally cost about 200 a night.

We also have to book through a particular agency and we use a corporate credit card. I don't know why they couldn't do something similar. That way they don't pay it from their own money, they book it through an agency that their expense people can easily audit and all they need to do is have a receipt.

Keyzer · 04-12-2018 02:15PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The usual pointless ranting here.
No employee should have to pay to do their employers work.

It isn' rocket science the government should have a building convenient to the required offices with 6 bedrooms or whatever and make these available, without complicated expenses or some hotel taking a cut.

Agreed.

Regardless of your feelings towards politicians, its ridiculous to expect them to pay for travel and accomodation expenses. No one in the private sector would be expected to do this irrespective of how big or small their salary is.

Touchee · 04-12-2018 03:04PM

Keyzer wrote: »

Agreed.

Regardless of your feelings towards politicians, its ridiculous to expect them to pay for travel and accomodation expenses. No one in the private sector would be expected to do this irrespective of how big or small their salary is.

I could be wrong, but I thought that €35k of their €130k salary is meant to cover expenses (unvouched expenses). Their base salary is €90k and they get an extra €35k for expenses, which is not taxable.

If they want their hotels paid for, they should give up that €35k and the State can use it to cover accommodation.

NB: Mea culpa if everything above is incorrect.

Poor junior ministers on €130,000 a year cant afford hotels.

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