Poor junior ministers on €130,000 a year cant afford hotels.

mgn

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-want-state-to-pay-our-hotel-bills-say-fine-gael-junior-ministers-on-130000-37587696.html

These overpaid clowns are starting to get on my nerves complaining they cant afford hotels in Dublin midweek,and getting €130,000 a year.They will be soon off on holidays again for another few weeks.Where in the world pays ministers with a small population like Ireland that sort of money anyway.

Whereisgalway

mgn wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-want-state-to-pay-our-hotel-bills-say-fine-gael-junior-ministers-on-130000-37587696.html

These overpaid clowns are starting to get on my nerves complaining they cant afford hotels in Dublin midweek,and getting €130,000 a year.They will be soon off on holidays again for another few weeks.Where in the world pays ministers with a small population like Ireland that sort of money anyway.

The teachers are just as bad as them

wirelessdude01

Whereisgalway wrote:

The teachers are just as bad as them

Ohh sweet baby Jesus.

ben.schlomo

Whereisgalway wrote: »

mgn wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-want-state-to-pay-our-hotel-bills-say-fine-gael-junior-ministers-on-130000-37587696.html

These overpaid clowns are starting to get on my nerves complaining they cant afford hotels in Dublin midweek,and getting €130,000 a year.They will be soon off on holidays again for another few weeks.Where in the world pays ministers with a small population like Ireland that sort of money anyway.

The teachers are just as bad as them

For staying in hotels? How's that work?

Whereisgalway

ben.schlomo wrote: »

For staying in hotels? How's that work?

Comparative holidays to hours worked/salary

SEPT 23 1989

Paschal has such a punchable head

Fann Linn

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Comparative holidays to hours worked/salary

Better return on the teaching profession imo.
Exhibit A-Shane Ross.

0ph0rce0

They should rent a gaff between them 20 mins out of the city, plenty of 4 bedroom houses out this way in a nice area for about 2000 a month.

If they aren't all there together they could split it 8 ways, and use it as they need it. That's 250 a month between the 8 listed. Even two houses between them if they need 8 rooms is 500 a month. Better than 500 - 1000 a week.

They couldn't give a fiddlers **** though they just want the money.

mgn

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

They should rent a gaff between them 20 mins out of the city, plenty of 4 bedroom houses out this way in a nice area for about 2000 a month.

If they aren't all there together they could split it 8 ways, and use it as they need it. That's 250 a month between the 8 listed. Even two houses between them if they need 8 rooms is 500 a month. Better than 500 - 1000 a week.

There not intelligent enough to do something like that.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Aww, the poor creatures, God help them

biko

Let them stay in B&B

Raging_Ninja

Tbh in the private sector business trips would almost always be paid for by the employer. I wouldn't have a problem if they had reasonable expenses reimbursed.

ZeitgeistGlee

Ah sure surely they could get together and rent a house off one of their party colleagues. :rolleyes:

mgn

Maybe if the stuck Boyd Barrett outside the Dail with a bucket he might collect a few euro for them.He spends more time outside the Dail than inside anyway protesting about something.

McMurphy

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Tbh in the private sector business trips would almost always be paid for by the employer. I wouldn't have a problem if they had reasonable expenses reimbursed.

I would have thought that it would be expensed?

odyssey06

No wonder government spending is out of control. They should all be fired immediately. They're hardly likely to get public finances under control with this atrocious cop on when it comes to their personal funds.

Gatling

How do 3000 homeless people afford hotel stays long term if TDs can't afford a single over night

Fann Linn

They shoukd ask Micky D. He's well able to find hotel rooms and have others pay for them.

Barlett

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Comparative holidays to hours worked/salary

If you think teaching begins at 9 am & finishes at 2.30 / 4 pm you have a hell of a lot to learn about the working world

kneemos

TD:s get expenses, don't see why ministers don't.
Granted they get thirty five G extra but twenty odd of that must go in hotel expenses,whereas their Dublin comrades get to keep it.

mgn

kneemos wrote: »

TD:s get expenses, don't see why ministers don't.
Granted they get thirty five G extra but twenty odd of that must go in hotel expenses,whereas their Dublin comrades get to keep it.

What hotels are the saying in to spend twenty thousand a year.

awec

The article is lacking some details. How many nights a month do they typically spend in Dublin?

In fairness, it is odd that TDs get it covered but ministers don't.

Richard Hillman

Maybe they should get an AirBNB?

amcalester

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I would have thought that it would be expensed?

Heard it said on the radio this morning that these bills can’t be expensed, they were saying that TD’s have unvouched expenses but junior ministers don’t.

meeeeh

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Tbh in the private sector business trips would almost always be paid for by the employer. I wouldn't have a problem if they had reasonable expenses reimbursed.

Not if it's your usual place of work. This is not travel, it's not like their place of work is their constituency office in Claire, Cork or wherever else.

What surprised me more is how many junior ministers are knocking around. I'm pretty sure some of them could easily be spared unnecessary expenses by their ministry being cut.

Unvouched expenses should also be gone. Where else can you pay someone 30k per year untaxed without Revenue sniffing around.

odyssey06

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Maybe they should get an AirBNB?

I think some sort of homeless junior minister Hub in a rejigged bedsit seems more their level?

mgn

meeeeh wrote: »

Not if it's your usual place of work. This is not travel, it's not like their place of work is their constituency office in Claire, Cork or wherever else.

What surprised me more is how many junior ministers are knocking around. I'm pretty sure some of them could easily be spared unnecessary expenses by their ministry being cut.

Unvouched expenses should also be gone. Where else can you pay someone 30k per year untaxed without Revenue sniffing around.

Its one law for them and another for their subjects.

Beechwoodspark

Open one of the army barracks and let them stay there. They can do the washing up or clean the tiles to pay their keep.

Ungrateful greedy swine

NSAman

I call BS,,,, here...

https://www.hotels.com/ho233696/?q-check-out=2018-12-05&FPQ=1&q-check-in=2018-12-03&WOE=3&WOD=1&q-room-0-children=0&pa=1&tab=description&JHR=1&q-room-0-adults=2&YGF=0&MGT=2&ZSX=0&SYE=3

Simple search two seconds.. not 500 a week

Atoms for Peace

Maybe they could rent a room from the Healy-raes etc..

TCM

Whereisgalway wrote:

The teachers are just as bad as them

Do teachers stay overnight in hotels?

0ph0rce0

NSAman wrote: »

I call BS,,,, here...

https://www.hotels.com/ho233696/?q-check-out=2018-12-05&FPQ=1&q-check-in=2018-12-03&WOE=3&WOD=1&q-room-0-children=0&pa=1&tab=description&JHR=1&q-room-0-adults=2&YGF=0&MGT=2&ZSX=0&SYE=3

Simple search two seconds.. not 500 a week

I reckon its 5 star only for these folks, they wouldn't be mingling with us peasants. The Westbury, Shelbourne etc...

If they can't afford it why don't they find something a bit cheaper, common sense ffs.

Hmm this is costing me 500 a night/week. Oh **** that maybe I'll stay somewhere else a bit cheaper.

It's that easy.

Sephiroth_dude

Overpaid ass clowns!

astrofool

Barlett wrote: »

If you think teaching begins at 9 am & finishes at 2.30 / 4 pm you have a hell of a lot to learn about the working world

You tell em! For 3 months during summer and Easter and Christmas and Hallowe'en and all public holidays, they don't even have to start at 9! And if they manage to schedule their classes accordingly, they can be finished by 3:10pm! Hell, if you call in sick all the time or turn up drunk, you can ride it out for a few years where you barely have to go into the school at all while the union keeps you in tenure, and the best bit, you get to attempt to go to Dáil Eireann and all of it's perks and return back to your teaching job if it all goes pear shaped such as if you start asking for things like extra expenses!

elperello

The "place of work" argument does not apply to TD's as the country TD's have to stay away from home. If they were not allowed to claim for staying in Dublin they would be at a disadvantage compared to Dublin members.

There appears to be an anomaly with regard to Minister's of State.

It is fair that there is a rate for the job plus expenses incurred in doing the job.

That is normal in most jobs.

As to what the salary and expenses level should be, that is another days work.

TallGlass

It's official. Boards.ie has lost its ****ing mind. People are agreeing that junior ministers, what ever the **** a junior minister is, who get 130k and 30k unvouched expenses (that's 48k or so for a PAYE worker after tax is paid) are not paid enoght and we should be forking out for there hotels, as they have to travel to Dublin. You'd have though they would have read the fine print, that they might have to put there hand into there pockets or into the expenses.

AGC

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I reckon its 5 star only for these folks, they wouldn't be mingling with us peasants. The Westbury, Shelbourne etc...

If they can't afford it why don't they find something a bit cheaper, common sense ffs.

Hmm this is costing me 500 a night/week. Oh **** that maybe I'll stay somewhere else a bit cheaper.

It's that easy.

Do you really think a MOS is going to overnight in the Shelbourne or Westbury? That would be in the papers a long time before this story.

limnam

room in foxrock for 180e a month at the mo on daft.


Just need to cook the landlady a dinner and grab her shopping.


Save a fortune

fritzelly

There's always AirBnB, oh wait...I smell something fishy going on here...

I'll wait for the survey to see how often they are actually ever in Dublin...me ponders over certain TD's...

Barlett

astrofool wrote: »

You tell em! For 3 months during summer and Easter and Christmas and Hallowe'en and all public holidays, they don't even have to start at 9! And if they manage to schedule their classes accordingly, they can be finished by 3:10pm! Hell, if you call in sick all the time or turn up drunk, you can ride it out for a few years where you barely have to go into the school at all while the union keeps you in tenure, and the best bit, you get to attempt to go to Dáil Eireann and all of it's perks and return back to your teaching job if it all goes pear shaped such as if you start asking for things like extra expenses!

I know & yet there’s still a shortage of teachers can’t believe more people don’t want to do such an amazing, easy job . And no I’m not a teacher, because I couldn’t deal with 30 moaning kids

vicwatson

That Kehoe lad took in 141 k last year and the tool wants free hotels too. Go and ****e, the lot of ye

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Not if it's your usual place of work. This is not travel, it's not like their place of work is their constituency office in Claire, Cork or wherever else.

Their home consistency would be their place of work and where their home is. It’s the equivalent of having to travel to another office in the company away from your home office in the private sector and you would be able to expense the trip even if it’s a regular occurance.

More nonsense outrage from the AH pitchfork brigade. The fact is they should be able to expense the hotels and their meals etc too while in Dublin away from their home office.

mgn

They have lost touch with the average man and woman with there high wages big pensions and unvouched expenses of 30,000 a year.If i give €20 to some young lad in summer to cut the lawn in a rental property,I cant claim for it because i don't have a receipt for it.Yet these clowns can claim for everything and no need for a receipt for them.One law for them and another for the rest of us.

mgn

Kyrie Obnoxious Collie wrote: »

Their home consistency would be their place of work and where their home is. It’s the equivalent of having to travel to another office in the company away from your home office in the private sector and you would be able to expense the trip even if it’s a regular occurance.

More nonsense outrage from the AH pitchfork brigade. The fact is they should be able to expense the hotels and their meals etc too while in Dublin away from their home office.

Why are their expenses unvouched so.What's so different about them.Everyone else needs receipts.

SeanW

mgn wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-want-state-to-pay-our-hotel-bills-say-fine-gael-junior-ministers-on-130000-37587696.html

These overpaid clowns are starting to get on my nerves complaining they cant afford hotels in Dublin midweek,and getting €130,000 a year.They will be soon off on holidays again for another few weeks.Where in the world pays ministers with a small population like Ireland that sort of money anyway.

F//k them. Let them pay like the rest of us. Then maybe they'll do something about the cost of accommodation in Dublin. C***s.

mgn

mgn wrote: »

They have lost touch with the average man and woman with there high wages big pensions and unvouched expenses of 30,000 a year.If i give €20 to some young lad in summer to cut the lawn in a rental property,I cant claim for it because i don't have a receipt for it.Yet these clowns can claim for everything and no need for a receipt for them.One law for them and another for the rest of us.

Unvouched expenses is not unusual in either public or private sector jobs where expense have a daily rate or set amount for an expense.

As an example I claim a dinner rate of 60 euro for all my dinners when I travel but sometimes I might eat in McDonald’s for a 10er. I don’t have to produce a receipt as I’m using approved expense rates.

mgn wrote: »

Why are their expenses unvouched so.What's so different about them.Everyone else needs receipts.

As above everyone doesn’t need receipts. I know lots of people who travel for work who don’t have to produce receipts for everything (myself included). Some get a set amount per day regardless of what they spend (usually a high figure which comfortably leaves money over after covering expenses) others need to keep receipts for somethings (taxis say) but not other things.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Comparative holidays to hours worked/salary

"But Maaaaam, HE got one, so I want one too..."

Charles Babbage

The usual pointless ranting here.
No employee should have to pay to do their employers work.

It isn' rocket science the government should have a building convenient to the required offices with 6 bedrooms or whatever and make these available, without complicated expenses or some hotel taking a cut.

Wheeliebin30

Kyrie Obnoxious Collie wrote: »

Unvouched expenses is not unusual in either public or private sector jobs where expense have a daily rate or set amount for an expense.

As an example I claim a dinner rate of 60 euro for all my dinners when I travel but sometimes I might eat in McDonald’s for a 10er. I don’t have to produce a receipt as I’m using approved expense rates.



As above everyone doesn’t need receipts. I know lots of people who travel for work who don’t have to produce receipts for everything (myself included). Some get a set amount per day regardless of what they spend (usually a high figure which comfortably leaves money over after covering expenses) others need to keep receipts for somethings (taxis say) but not other things.

Is it 60 for when you travel?

suicide_circus

how is their productivity measured?

Wanderer78

suicide_circus wrote:

how is their productivity measured?

Are humans really production machines?