Boxing, let's have it banned.

looksee · 30-11-2018 01:17PM

I have no interest in boxing, on balance I dislike it, but I don't watch it so it doesn't bother me too much. I don't think it should be banned though, I think for many people there is a need to focus aggression, or the need for adventure or risk taking that is becoming increasingly difficult to fulfil. Banning it would just feed the violent gangland/underworld.

It needs to be possible to undertake risky sports without having to do them semi-legally (parkour for example) but without the increasing need for insurance for everything. Also out of the way of people who don't want to be collateral damage from someone else's sport. And putting rescue teams at risk going in to find people who have chosen to do something dangerous in dodgy conditions. The line needs to be drawn and maintained between challenge and gang bullying, between risk taking and deliberately causing someone else to be injured. Beyond that let the adrenalin and testosterone take over.

Somewhat related to this is the tendency to not allow children to compete with each other. Those that don't wish to engage should not be obliged to take part in competitive sports - there are other ways of getting exercise - but those who do engage should be allowed to compete, challenge themselves and win.

nullzero · 30-11-2018 01:19PM

It's not as if people are forced into boxing against their will.
People have right to choose.

VeryTerry · 30-11-2018 01:21PM

I played rugby and my nose points in two different directions, my left ear is cauliflowered, i have constant pain in my wrist during the winter. My mates that were involved in amateur boxing are grand. Rugby is far worse.

Should either be banned? Absolutely not.

joe40 · 30-11-2018 01:22PM

Plenty of sports are dangerous, and there can injuries and even death. These are the result of accidents or foul play.

Where Boxing differs is that the infliction of injury is the goal of the sport.

I'm not sure about banning the sport, and I fully admit there is a lot of skill and technique. But at the same time there is an element that follow boxing that just want to see the big powerful punches and knock out.

A knock out is a brain injury, and to a large extent it is the goal is a boxing bout.

I don't think it should be banned, but the sport could be promoted in a more responsible manner.

jimgoose · 30-11-2018 01:24PM

joe40 wrote: »

...there is an element that follow boxing that just want to see the big powerful punches and knock out...

To be sure. And believe it or not there is an element that watches motorsport simply in the hope of seeing a bad accident, a driver hurt, or even killed. I find this mindset difficult to apprehend, but that's people for you.

topper75 · 30-11-2018 01:24PM

What about if we allow the other boxer to block the punches by putting up their guard. Wouldn't that make it fair? If they let their guard down, they've only themselves to blame :-)

It is a sport and entered into voluntarily OP. Is it ego that has you projecting your wishes onto others with regard to their sporting pursuits?

Raheem Euro · 30-11-2018 01:25PM

seamus wrote: »

...preferably with a KO.

If a KO wasn't important, it wouldn't be the key statistic used to compare fighters.

Win to fight ratio is and always has been the definitive fighter statistic.

Professional boxers are peaceful, disciplined, hardworking and honorable individuals. It is a noble and supremely challenging sport that has been enjoyed all over the world for many generations and will continue to be.

Katie Taylor is one of the finest Irsih people of her generation and a great source of pride for our country.

chrissb8 · 30-11-2018 01:26PM

People do a lot to endanger their healths willingly and conciously. Let them have at it.

Checkmate19 · 30-11-2018 01:27PM

I love boxing. Weather it should be banned or not it doesn't matter it's never going be banned. Pointless discussion. Let's ban f1 people die in that. Let's ban isle of man bike racing. Where do you stop. People know the risks. Boxing is the Noble art and if you don't like it don't watch. Simples.

yourdeadwright · 30-11-2018 01:28PM

seamus wrote: »

...preferably with a KO.

If a KO wasn't important, it wouldn't be the key statistic used to compare fighters.

Its not preferably , its just another option ,
If you win a fight by KO or on the cards there is no difference, you have still won the fight, Ko just means you have the ability to end a fight before the distance and by human nature people find it more spectacular

Any kid starting is not thought how to ko someone , you are thought how to box and if you become very good at it it may lead to a KO ,the most successful fighter of our time Floyd Mayweather doesn't look for a ko but he will take it if it happens ,

The Pheasant2 · 30-11-2018 01:33PM

Feck off OP, if you don't like it you can just watch something else.

I actually cannot fúcking stand this "ban everything I mildly disagree with" attitude which appears to be becoming all the more prevalent these days.

We're becoming quite restrictive and puritanical these days. It happens gradually, but it's still happening.

PlaneSpeeking · 30-11-2018 01:35PM

I once spoke to someone when Katie won gold in the Olympics who was mental against women boxing - apparently it gives us breast cancer.

They were serious!!!!

Sky King · 30-11-2018 01:37PM

THIS ONE GOES OUT TO YOU DENSE...THIS IS ABOUT THEM POSTS THAT YOUVE BEEN MAKING SAYING WE SHOULD BAN THIS AND BAN THAT

DIDNT I BAIT YOU OUTSIDE MULLINGAR TILL YA CRIED INTO ME CHEST AND SAID YOU COULDNT FIGHT NO MORE?

jimgoose · 30-11-2018 01:40PM

Sky King wrote: »

THIS ONE GOES OUT TO YOU DENSE...THIS IS ABOUT THEM POSTS THAT YOUVE BEEN MAKING SAYING WE SHOULD BAN THIS AND BAN THAT

DIDNT I BAIT YOU OUTSIDE MULLINGAR TILL YA CRIED INTO ME CHEST AND SAID YOU COULDNT FIGHT NO MORE?

This is me baytin' the two a' ye outside the chipper in Bishopstown last Saturday night, an' my oul' doll lookin' on while piss ran down ye're trouser-legs:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-11-2018 01:41PM

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.

There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

super_furry · 30-11-2018 01:43PM

GO ON MY FADDA!

nullzero · 30-11-2018 01:44PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.

There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

Never hurt Sugar Ray Leonard.

yourdeadwright · 30-11-2018 01:46PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.

There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

You'd rob of so many fighters who peaked late like Wlad , Hopkins , James Toney to name a few

Even Holyfeild, ALi , Sanders , Foreman ,Duran ,all won world titles after 35 there are many more

andekwarhola · 30-11-2018 01:46PM

jimgoose wrote: »

But yeah, ban it or whatever. I don't really care. But if you ban boxing, which is arguably a bit on the rough side, where do you stop? What of Karate, Taekwon Do, et al?

Good point.

Let's pugilist together of bannable sports.

fonecrusher1 · 30-11-2018 01:47PM

Hey OP thanks you just reminded me! Looking forward to the big fight on Saturday night. Wilder vs Fury.

GO ON THE GYPSY KING!!!

I loves the boxing!

jimgoose · 30-11-2018 01:48PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You'd rob of so many fighters who peaked late like Wlad , Hopkins , James Toney to name a few

Even Holyfeild, ALi , Sanders , Foreman ,Duran ,all won world titles after 35 there are many more

And don't forget that Dolph Lonergan fella, who's back on the big telly-yoke at 107 years of age.

bladespin · 30-11-2018 01:49PM

No thank you, a man or woman should have the right to decide to test themselves, if it's in a ring under strict controls with medical supervision then fine.

eagle eye · 30-11-2018 01:50PM

nullzero wrote:

Never hurt Sugar Ray Leonard.

Detached retina?

eagle eye · 30-11-2018 01:51PM

I think we should ban chess, like you could fall over trying to sit down and knock.your eye out with the bishop!

Doctors room ghost · 30-11-2018 01:52PM

I think boxing should mandatory for all kids in school.it would teach them self defense,it would make them fit,and it would help with kids who are shy to interact with other kids and promote self confidence in them.
It would also help to take some of the pent up aggression out of people in a controlled and safe environment instead of killing each other on a Saturday night somewhere.
Might reduce the chance of a child being bullied.

super_furry · 30-11-2018 01:52PM

Bishops are usually trying to knock something else out.

Raheem Euro · 30-11-2018 01:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Detached retina?

That was a karma injury. For mocking poor Roberto all those years ago.

daheff · 30-11-2018 01:53PM

dense wrote: »

It's time we took it down from the pedestal and see it for what it is, trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent.

its not always about "knocking the shît out of your opponent" -especially the amateur version. Theres a lot more skill and tactics to it- the amateur version is about points scoring (or win by knocking out the opponent).

Points scoring rules

"This type of competition prizes point-scoring blows, based on number of clean punches landed, rather than physical power."

jimgoose · 30-11-2018 01:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Detached retina?

That often happens to men, particularly men in their fifties. Leonard started seeing spots while training, and went to the doctor. It is probably exacerbated somewhat by any "knockabout" sport.

seamus · 30-11-2018 01:57PM

Raheem Euro wrote: »

Professional boxers are peaceful, disciplined, hardworking and honorable individuals.

I'm sure most of them are. But the peaceful, honourable and disciplined ones are rarely the ones who are most celebrated.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I once spoke to someone when Katie won gold in the Olympics who was mental against women boxing - apparently it gives us breast cancer.

They were serious!!!!

You'll find this interesting;
https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-fight-for-womens-boxing-rights

According to this article, there's still a minority who will look negatively on a boxer for not using a chest guard, even though any risks to the breasts have been long disproven.

Women have had to constantly fight this notion that their physiology makes them weak little butterflies and thus they have to be careful about sport. And that their valuable genitalia need special protection.

I have no doubt there would still be many parents and grandparents worried about their little girls getting into sports because of the affect it could have on their "womanly" physiology.

Boxing, let's have it banned.

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