Boxing, let's have it banned.

dense

It's an outdated "sport" and if it occurred outside the ring would likely lead to the participants being arrested.

It's time we took it down from the pedestal and see it for what it is, trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent.

It cannot be something that we aspire to admiring or continue accepting in this day and age and it has no special merits that cannot be replicated elsewhere in the world of sport without resorting to the use of fists.

Looks like the IOC is taking it out of the Olympics too, for different reasons.

jobless

cool... where's the protest

Take it up with Pavee Point.

jimgoose

If motorcycle Grand Prix occurred outside of it's "ring" there would definitely be several arrested. :pac:

But yeah, ban it or whatever. I don't really care. But if you ban boxing, which is arguably a bit on the rough side, where do you stop? What of Karate, Taekwon Do, et al?

Paddy Cow

What is the point of having a poll if the results are hidden? And why is there no Atari Jaguar option? Ban this thread.

alan partridge aha

dense wrote: »

It's an outdated "sport" and if it occurred outside the ring would likely lead to the participants being arrested.

It's time we took it down from the pedestal and see it for what it is, trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent.

It cannot be something that we aspire to admiring or continue accepting in this day and age and it has no special merits that cannot be replicated elsewhere in the world of sport without resorting to the use of fists.

Looks like the IOC is taking it out of the Olympics too.

There is merit in what you say but I just love watching it.

BIGT4464

Greatest Sport there is. You don't play boxing. Are you not excited for the heavyweight fight tomorrow night then?

Omackeral

Here's another idea. Let's not.

Gravelly

We should ban everything that someone doesn't like.

I dislike banning things, lists of things I want to ban, and people who want to ban things they know nothing about.

Can we ban all of those?

Ten of Swords

What would be your argument for banning boxing but not other contact sports - or would you ban them all? :rolleyes:

funk-you

Stupid poll and idea. What's the craic with running around getting angry and chomping at the bit to tell people what to do with their lives. Don't box if you don't like it. Smell of high and mighty off people these days.

-Funk

banie01

Why?
Why should it be banned?
Is it because you think its outdated?
You mention it as a means

trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent

That may be the case for a fight on the street, but there is rarely any argument involved in sanctioned amatuer or professional boxing other than trash talk.
Sanctioned boxing events are medically supervised and undertaken between trained competitors.

Any and all sport carries an inherent risk, I don't box never have but I know many who do and have seen the difference that being involved in boxing has made in terms of discipline, fitness and plain old socializing.
The same can be said for all martial arts, the training and discipline involved has a marked effect on students other activities.

I played rugby to a very high level, and while not a martial art...
There is a level of controlled aggression and violence involved both in tackle, and every contact made.
Should that also be banned?
Or is the value of the sport, to be seen in the control of those traits?
That on a rugby team every single person plays a position and every other member of the team relys upon knowing their team mate is playing their assigned role and that by trusting each other and following the gameplan, that performance is improved and improved each and every time.
Its an object lesson in the value of teamwork, trust and effort.

If you don't like it, just don't watch it?

PlaneSpeeking

Got to love the modern world "I don't like something, let's ban it!"

Can I do that with reality TV, any talk of weddings or spiders please ?

Boxing teaches discipline, self defence and can build community. Not to mention it's well worth the 25 quid for a decent bout on PPV.

Live and let live OP eh ?

murpho999

Yes ban it and it goes underground.

Then is unregulated, will involve criminals and boxers will get more serious injuries.

The sport is as popular as ever. More could be done to protect boxers but that's a different issue.

normanoffside

OP's username sums up the poll and thread.

jimgoose

banie01 wrote: »

...I played rugby to a very high level, and while not a martial art...
There is a level of controlled aggression and violence involved both in tackle, and every contact made...

I have several mates who played rugby - all had their noses broken anything up to ten times, arms, legs, shoulders smashed/wrenched/dislocated, and a couple have spent a week pissing blood after being vapourised by a twenty stone prop with a bad hangover. :pac::pac::pac:

BeerWolf

*Nibbles on OP's ear*

seamus

Quite a large number of sports would lead to arrests if done outside of the sporting arena/area. I'm not sure that's something you can use as a reason why boxing should be banned.

Boxing as a sport is not really an issue, it's the damage that's done on the way up that can be a problem.

Boxing authorities should probably be required to dial down the "showmanship" in the run up to events. The concept of the "knockout" should be eliminated, the competition shouldn't be allowed to get that far.

On the one hand, people talk up all about how boxing teaches control, gives troubled young people a focus and an outlet. And on the other hand top-top-level professional fights get promoted as actual fights, grudge matches, adults taking out their anger on eachother using their fists. The ultimate goal of a top-level fight is to watch one adult beat another one unconscious. That's not exactly a great example of control or sportsmanship.

Olympic boxing is probably about the purest form of the sport, because it's about craft and strategy. Once you turn pro and move up that way it becomes less about the sport and more about the theatre and the passion.

endacl

Has boxing been made compulsory?!?

OP is unclear.

jimgoose

seamus wrote: »

...The ultimate goal of a top-level fight is to watch one adult beat another one unconscious...

Were you ever full-back for Ahane, by any chance?? :eek:

Raheem Euro

If you really want to get rid of boxing op you should actually encourage it. Reversr psychology. Make it more dangerous. Longer rounds, longer fights, no gloves and no Doctors.

They'll all kill each other. No boxers left and therefore no sport of boxing.

banie01

jimgoose wrote: »

I have several mates who played rugby - all had their noses broken anything up to ten times, arms, legs, shoulders smashed/wrenched/dislocated, and a couple have spent a week pissing blood after being vapourised by a twenty stone prop with a bad hangover. :pac::pac::pac:

I'll be completely honest and say I'm very lucky to have never had a serious injury playing rugby.
I've had cuts, knocks and dead legs and so on but most "serious" injury was probably dislocated fingers.

I played for @25yrs and serious injuries were a rarity across the game but unfortunately all too often when there was a serious injury it was a catastrophic one.

I've seen more broken bones from soccer than rugby tho

seamus

jimgoose wrote: »

Were you ever full-back for Ahane, by any chance?? :eek:

In all seriousness though, the difference is that in fighting sports, a KO is considered a positive. When you talk about how good a fighter is, you talk about how many other competitors they've given concussions to. More == better.

In any other sport, that statistic is what will get them kicked off the team or banned from the sport.

Boxing should aim for a situation where a fighter who has many wins with few KO's, is considered a much better fighter than someone with a high-KO ratio.

yourdeadwright

dense wrote: »

It's an outdated "sport" and if it occurred outside the ring would likely lead to the participants being arrested.

It's time we took it down from the pedestal and see it for what it is, trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent.

It cannot be something that we aspire to admiring or continue accepting in this day and age and it has no special merits that cannot be replicated elsewhere in the world of sport without resorting to the use of fists.

Looks like the IOC is taking it out of the Olympics too, for different reasons.

If you don't like it don't watch it simple,

Boxing provides more than people just knocking the **** out of each other,
It has help keep troubled kids off the streets for years ,
it teaches respect ,self discipline and humility ,
Its a sport of gentlemen , You will not see many boxing matches where the guys do not shake hands after wards,

If you have never trained or stepped into a ring you will never understand the feeling it gives you ,it's sport that makes you learn more about yourself than any other

If you don't like it don't watch it,

super_furry

Your face should be banned!

dense

dense wrote: »

It's an outdated "sport"

What does that mean exactly? How does one "date" a sport - by what measure - and how does one qualify as "outdated" exactly?

dense wrote: »

if it occurred outside the ring would likely lead to the participants being arrested

Well as other people have mentioned - that is true of quite a lot of sports. So quite a stupid point to make really.

But further than that I would also add - would it? If neither combatant actually makes a complaint of physical violence would it lead to anyone being arrested? I doubt it would. I reckon you could come to my garden - we could throw fists at each other until one of us loses consciousness - and the police would care not a jot.

So aside from it being a remarkably bad point - it does not even appear to be a true one either.

dense wrote: »

It's time we took it down from the pedestal and see it for what it is, trying to decide an argument (who's best) by knocking the shît out of your opponent.

What "argument" are you talking about? You appear to be using the word argument differently to how most people use it. Again though so what? What of other sports? Are they trying to settle an argument by kicking a ball - or by driving fast - or by jumping highest? Do you see all sports as an "argument"?

That appears to be a remarkably weird way to evaluate the agenda or purpose of sport.

yourdeadwright

seamus wrote: »

Quite a large number of sports would lead to arrests if done outside of the sporting arena/area. I'm not sure that's something you can use as a reason why boxing should be banned.

Boxing as a sport is not really an issue, it's the damage that's done on the way up that can be a problem.

Boxing authorities should probably be required to dial down the "showmanship" in the run up to events. The concept of the "knockout" should be eliminated, the competition shouldn't be allowed to get that far.

On the one hand, people talk up all about how boxing teaches control, gives troubled young people a focus and an outlet. And on the other hand top-top-level professional fights get promoted as actual fights, grudge matches, adults taking out their anger on eachother using their fists. The ultimate goal of a top-level fight is to watch one adult beat another one unconscious. That's not exactly a great example of control or sportsmanship.

Olympic boxing is probably about the purest form of the sport, because it's about craft and strategy. Once you turn pro and move up that way it becomes less about the sport and more about the theatre and the passion.

"The ultimate goal of a top-level fight is to watch one adult beat another one unconscious"

This is not true, its a way of wining but it isn't the ultimate goal,
The Ultimate goal is to outfox your opponent and beat them in whatever way is possible within the rule set,

yourdeadwright

dense wrote: »

It's an outdated "sport" and if it occurred outside the ring would likely lead to the participants being arrested.


And so would rugby tackling someone one, so would slide tackling someone , So would hitting a golf ball down a busy street,

OH what about fencing , do that down your local pub and see if your arrested ,

jimgoose

yourdeadwright wrote: »

"The ultimate goal of a top-level fight is to watch one adult beat another one unconscious"

This is not true, its a way of wining but it isn't the ultimate goal,
The Ultimate goal is to outfox your opponent and beat them in whatever way is possible within the rule set,

Correct. In Taekwon Do it is quite possible to win a bout by jumping three feet in the air and spin-kicking the opponent behind the ear in such a manner that he/she is unconscious before hitting the ground. But it's rare. :pac:

seamus

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The Ultimate goal is to outfox your opponent and beat them in whatever way is possible within the rule set,

...preferably with a KO.

If a KO wasn't important, it wouldn't be the key statistic used to compare fighters.

looksee

I have no interest in boxing, on balance I dislike it, but I don't watch it so it doesn't bother me too much. I don't think it should be banned though, I think for many people there is a need to focus aggression, or the need for adventure or risk taking that is becoming increasingly difficult to fulfil. Banning it would just feed the violent gangland/underworld.

It needs to be possible to undertake risky sports without having to do them semi-legally (parkour for example) but without the increasing need for insurance for everything. Also out of the way of people who don't want to be collateral damage from someone else's sport. And putting rescue teams at risk going in to find people who have chosen to do something dangerous in dodgy conditions. The line needs to be drawn and maintained between challenge and gang bullying, between risk taking and deliberately causing someone else to be injured. Beyond that let the adrenalin and testosterone take over.

Somewhat related to this is the tendency to not allow children to compete with each other. Those that don't wish to engage should not be obliged to take part in competitive sports - there are other ways of getting exercise - but those who do engage should be allowed to compete, challenge themselves and win.

nullzero

It's not as if people are forced into boxing against their will.
People have right to choose.

VeryTerry

I played rugby and my nose points in two different directions, my left ear is cauliflowered, i have constant pain in my wrist during the winter. My mates that were involved in amateur boxing are grand. Rugby is far worse.

Should either be banned? Absolutely not.

joe40

Plenty of sports are dangerous, and there can injuries and even death. These are the result of accidents or foul play.

Where Boxing differs is that the infliction of injury is the goal of the sport.

I'm not sure about banning the sport, and I fully admit there is a lot of skill and technique. But at the same time there is an element that follow boxing that just want to see the big powerful punches and knock out.

A knock out is a brain injury, and to a large extent it is the goal is a boxing bout.

I don't think it should be banned, but the sport could be promoted in a more responsible manner.

jimgoose

joe40 wrote: »

...there is an element that follow boxing that just want to see the big powerful punches and knock out...

To be sure. And believe it or not there is an element that watches motorsport simply in the hope of seeing a bad accident, a driver hurt, or even killed. I find this mindset difficult to apprehend, but that's people for you.

topper75

What about if we allow the other boxer to block the punches by putting up their guard. Wouldn't that make it fair? If they let their guard down, they've only themselves to blame :-)

It is a sport and entered into voluntarily OP. Is it ego that has you projecting your wishes onto others with regard to their sporting pursuits?

Raheem Euro

seamus wrote: »

...preferably with a KO.

If a KO wasn't important, it wouldn't be the key statistic used to compare fighters.

Win to fight ratio is and always has been the definitive fighter statistic.

Professional boxers are peaceful, disciplined, hardworking and honorable individuals. It is a noble and supremely challenging sport that has been enjoyed all over the world for many generations and will continue to be.

Katie Taylor is one of the finest Irsih people of her generation and a great source of pride for our country.

chrissb8

People do a lot to endanger their healths willingly and conciously. Let them have at it.

Checkmate19

I love boxing. Weather it should be banned or not it doesn't matter it's never going be banned. Pointless discussion. Let's ban f1 people die in that. Let's ban isle of man bike racing. Where do you stop. People know the risks. Boxing is the Noble art and if you don't like it don't watch. Simples.

yourdeadwright

seamus wrote: »

...preferably with a KO.

If a KO wasn't important, it wouldn't be the key statistic used to compare fighters.

Its not preferably , its just another option ,
If you win a fight by KO or on the cards there is no difference, you have still won the fight, Ko just means you have the ability to end a fight before the distance and by human nature people find it more spectacular

Any kid starting is not thought how to ko someone , you are thought how to box and if you become very good at it it may lead to a KO ,the most successful fighter of our time Floyd Mayweather doesn't look for a ko but he will take it if it happens ,

The Pheasant2

Feck off OP, if you don't like it you can just watch something else.

I actually cannot fúcking stand this "ban everything I mildly disagree with" attitude which appears to be becoming all the more prevalent these days.

We're becoming quite restrictive and puritanical these days. It happens gradually, but it's still happening.

PlaneSpeeking

I once spoke to someone when Katie won gold in the Olympics who was mental against women boxing - apparently it gives us breast cancer.

They were serious!!!!

Sky King

THIS ONE GOES OUT TO YOU DENSE...THIS IS ABOUT THEM POSTS THAT YOUVE BEEN MAKING SAYING WE SHOULD BAN THIS AND BAN THAT

DIDNT I BAIT YOU OUTSIDE MULLINGAR TILL YA CRIED INTO ME CHEST AND SAID YOU COULDNT FIGHT NO MORE?

jimgoose

Sky King wrote: »

THIS ONE GOES OUT TO YOU DENSE...THIS IS ABOUT THEM POSTS THAT YOUVE BEEN MAKING SAYING WE SHOULD BAN THIS AND BAN THAT

DIDNT I BAIT YOU OUTSIDE MULLINGAR TILL YA CRIED INTO ME CHEST AND SAID YOU COULDNT FIGHT NO MORE?

This is me baytin' the two a' ye outside the chipper in Bishopstown last Saturday night, an' my oul' doll lookin' on while piss ran down ye're trouser-legs:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.


There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

super_furry

GO ON MY FADDA!

nullzero

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.


There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

Never hurt Sugar Ray Leonard.

yourdeadwright

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Maybe a forced retirement age from pro fighting at 35.

It's the fighters who go on too long who end up with issues.


There's nothing sadder than seeing an old warrior long past their prime still in the ring.

You'd rob of so many fighters who peaked late like Wlad , Hopkins , James Toney to name a few

Even Holyfeild, ALi , Sanders , Foreman ,Duran ,all won world titles after 35 there are many more

andekwarhola

jimgoose wrote: »

But yeah, ban it or whatever. I don't really care. But if you ban boxing, which is arguably a bit on the rough side, where do you stop? What of Karate, Taekwon Do, et al?

Good point.

Let's pugilist together of bannable sports.

fonecrusher1

Hey OP thanks you just reminded me! Looking forward to the big fight on Saturday night. Wilder vs Fury.

GO ON THE GYPSY KING!!!

I loves the boxing!