Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

mcmoustache · 29-11-2018 10:43PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Just your average Thursday night...

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1068132451975929858?s=19

I recall something said about this before. I think the SC judge that retired had a son who worked for Dutche bank?

All a coincidence, I'm sure,

Water John · 29-11-2018 11:23PM

If the person running for the job has the passion, a la Bernie Sanders, people have no problem with your age. MDH showed that here when he saw off all contenders.

blackwave · 29-11-2018 11:28PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

All a coincidence, I'm sure,

As much as I want to pin this on Trump, I think this is unrelated, to be honest. The raids were made stemming from the Panama papers and centre on DB British Virgin Islands unit and two arrests were made. I can't recall any revelations from the Panama Papers relating to Trump, Cohen etc and if there was I am sure it would have been made known during the election. While the Donald was banking with DB, I think it is unlikely that this raid is connected with him as DB was giving him loans (stupidly).

TomOnBoard · 29-11-2018 11:47PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Clinton's strategy of "they go low, we go high" isn't going to cut it in 2020. Especially in the TV debates, they need someone who can cut through Trump's bullsh*t and really hit him below the belt. I can see Biden doing this.

I think the "go low...go high" strategy was Michelle Obama, not Clinton... The Clintons were very capable of going low a time or three....

TomOnBoard · 29-11-2018 11:54PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Just your average Thursday night...

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1068132451975929858?s=19

I recall something said about this before. I think the SC judge that retired had a son who worked for Dutche bank?

When no-one else would loan money to Trump, DB lent him millions if not billions.. For many years, Justice Kennedy's son was a high-level DB officer in the real estate arena. Trump allegedly spoke very highly of him, thereby suggesting that their real estate activities may have co-mingled on occasion.

Indeed, that relationship was reported as having been an influencer in the WH getting Justice Kennedy to retire when he did. The NYT reported that the decision to retire at that time was made easier for Kennedy who was given a voice in the selection of his successor, who 'happened' to be a former clerk of his, now-Justice Kavanaugh...

Interesting connections, wha?

pixelburp · 30-11-2018 12:06AM

I don't recall: did past Presidents have so many press conferences in front of Marine Force 1 as Trump? Seems like every time he decides to speak to the press, it's against the noise of an engine as he leaves for wherever. I presume it's an intentional tactic to imply being too busy for chats, complete with literal getaway vehicle once queations get too dicey. It's ... unconventional to say the least.

Zubeneschamali · 30-11-2018 12:48AM

pixelburp wrote: »

It's ... unconventional to say the least.

No, it's such a cliche that Doonesbury was mocking Reagan about it back in the day.

mcmoustache · 30-11-2018 12:52AM

blackwave wrote: »

As much as I want to pin this on Trump, I think this is unrelated, to be honest. The raids were made stemming from the Panama papers and centre on DB British Virgin Islands unit and two arrests were made. I can't recall any revelations from the Panama Papers relating to Trump, Cohen etc and if there was I am sure it would have been made known during the election. While the Donald was banking with DB, I think it is unlikely that this raid is connected with him as DB was giving him loans (stupidly).

Yeah, the connection is fairly loose, in fairness.

everlast75 · 30-11-2018 05:52AM

From the Moscow project website....

WITH COHEN PLEA NEWS, NEW MOSCOW PROJECT TRUMP-RUSSIA CONTACT COUNT: 92 CONTACTS

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has secured a guilty plea from longtime personal Trump attorney Michael Cohen for making false statements to Congress about a planned Trump Tower Moscow project in 2016.

In his testimony to Congress, Cohen reportedly “played down the extent of his contact with the Kremlin.”

But when it comes to the Trump team, Cohen isn’t the only one who had contacts with Russia-linked operatives and then lied about it.

In April, the Moscow Project released the first comprehensive accounting of publicly-known contacts between members of the Trump campaign and transition team and Russia-linked operatives. With news of the Cohen plea and other developments since then, we have now updated our total tracker to include at least 92 contacts, including at least 27 meetings.

At least 26 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisors were involved in or aware of these contacts:

Michael Cohen
Roger Stone
Donald Trump Jr.
Jeff Sessions
Paul Manafort
J.D. Gordon
Jared Kushner
Carter Page
Michael Flynn
Erik Prince
George Papadopoulos
Anthony Scaramucci
Rick Gates
Corey Lewandowski
K.T. McFarland
Tom Bossert
Hope Hicks
Reince Priebus
Sam Clovis
Stephen Bannon
Stephen Miller
Sean Spicer
John Mashburn
Ivanka Trump
David Bossie
Brad Parscale

Also reported is that Cohen's full dealings will be set out before the court on December 12!!!!

eire4 · 30-11-2018 06:32AM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Assuming Trump will be running in 2020 and won't be stopped by Mueller's report or the GoP abandoning him, I think the democrats needs someone who will really showcase what an absolute charlatan and narcissist Trump actually is. The dems needs to appeal to that undecided 10-15%.

Clinton's strategy of "they go low, we go high" isn't going to cut it in 2020. Especially in the TV debates, they need someone who can cut through Trump's bullsh*t and really hit him below the belt. I can see Biden doing this.

How about the Democrats try and appeal to the roughly 50% of Americans who don't vote by actually by actually putting forth policies that will benefit the vast majority of Americans.

eire4 · 30-11-2018 06:37AM

Water John wrote: »

I do like the idea of Biden running, despite the years. The debate between the mainstream and the radicals has yet to be had within the DNC.
A balanced team of mainstream and more radical I feel is important. The question is which leads and which is the vice?

Radicals in the Democratic party? What radicals are you talking about exactly and what is it that is so radical that they want? I ask those questions as using the word radicals make its sound like these are extremist people wanting extremist things.

Mainstream sounds more like corrupt corporate controlled Democrats. It cracks me up when I hear the Democratic party being described as a left wing party when at best it is a centrist party. Socially maybe it is now more open and tolerant but certainly economically it is not a left wing party.

As for who is leading the Democratic Party there is no question about that at all. The Democratic Party still has the same corporate controlled leadership it has had for a long time. That has not changed.

Captain Obvious · 30-11-2018 06:56AM

Trump's response to the news that he planned to give Putin a penthouse in Russia development.

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1068172524150767616

Basically attacks Cohen and says the whole thing was just business.

duploelabs · 30-11-2018 09:11AM

Individual #1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/individual-1-trump-emerges-as-a-central-subject-of-mueller-probe/2018/11/29/e3968994-f3f7-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html?utm_term=.0e7e499371c6

Captain Obvious · 30-11-2018 09:14AM

I remember when my wife was watching the show "Scandal" I scoffed at he ridicuous plot of the President starting a war to hide a personal scandal. Man do I feel naive, now. There is now a legitimate possibility of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal scandals.

Jack1985 · 30-11-2018 09:16AM

How long until the GOP approach the Dem Senators for articles of impeachment? Won't happen the other way around, but if the GOP want any realistic opportunity of taking 2020 or past that before this sh*t storm finally unravels its dirty head, they need to start clearing house.

duploelabs · 30-11-2018 09:19AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I remember when my wife was watching the show "Scandal" I scoffed at he ridicuous plot of the President starting a war to hide a personal scandal. Man do I feel naive, now. There is now a legitimate possibility of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal scandals.

Operation.... cough.... enduring.... cough.... freedom

ECO_Mental · 30-11-2018 09:32AM

Jack1985 wrote: »

How long until the GOP approach the Dem Senators for articles of impeachment? Won't happen the other way around, but if the GOP want any realistic opportunity of taking 2020 or past that before this sh*t storm finally unravels its dirty head, they need to start clearing house.

I think there should be no impeachment.. let the Dems with control of the congress investigate the **** out of Trump and his cronies. Dig up as much scandal as they can and let the GOP drown in that s**t. Then wipe the Floor in 2020

Worst thing that could happen is you get Mike Pence in there for a year so he can build momentum for 2020 and the GOP will be reinvigorated and could possibly win again.

Next two years investigate investigate investigate get Kushner Invanka and Jr. to testify in public and let the GOP defend them. If there is any impeachment it has to come from the GOP let them take the hit...

Outlaw Pete · 30-11-2018 09:36AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I remember when my wife was watching the show "Scandal" I scoffed at he ridicuous plot of the President starting a war to hide a personal scandal. Man do I feel naive, now. There is now a legitimate possibility of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal scandals.

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

ancapailldorcha · 30-11-2018 09:44AM

weisses wrote: »

I see what you did there

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, run a million year old white guy against the other million year old white guy!

Genius!

mcmoustache wrote: »

All a coincidence, I'm sure,

duploelabs wrote: »

Operation.... cough.... enduring.... cough.... freedom

Cut out the silly nonsense please.

Rhineshark · 30-11-2018 09:48AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

Firstly, there's that previous presidents have acted similarly so it's not exactly outside the bounds of possibility.

Secondly there's the amount of care he's taken with other people's lives before - like burning Israeli intelligence sources to the Russians.

When exactly has Trump showed he cares about other people more than his own hide? I'm a bit on the fence regarding a war, although I'd see him goading one by accident and poor judgement, but it ain't because I think he's too pure to use the military cynically (some more).

seamus · 30-11-2018 09:57AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

I think it would be naive to think otherwise.

The man is proven to be without conscience or empathy. He has had no problem in the past putting the lives of tenants in his properties at risk in order to improve his bottom line. He personally approved draconian measures against immigrant children which he only reversed...for self-preservation.

Donald Trump wouldn't even need self-preservation as a reasoning. If someone told him he could make a couple of billion dollars by sending US troops somewhere, he'd telling them to get it done.

He is a moral void.

prawnsambo · 30-11-2018 10:05AM

Rhineshark wrote: »

Firstly, there's that previous presidents have acted similarly so it's not exactly outside the bounds of possibility.

Secondly there's the amount of care he's taken with other people's lives before - like burning Israeli intelligence sources to the Russians.

When exactly has Trump showed he cares about other people more than his own hide? I'm a bit on the fence regarding a war, although I'd see him goading one by accident and poor judgement, but it ain't because I think he's too pure to use the military cynically (some more).

Does he not have to go to congress to engage in any military campaign? And even now, I'm not sure the GOP would run with that and in January they wouldn't have the majority to do so anyway.

Captain Obvious · 30-11-2018 10:14AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

What part of my opinion do you want evidence for? He has already shown a complete disrespect for the lives of servicemen. He has shown himself to be devoid of empathy. He has shown himself to be willing to use the military for political cover. And he has shown that he will take extreme measures to divert attention from personal issues. What makes you think he wouldn't do it in a heart beat?

Igotadose · 30-11-2018 10:35AM

This is interesting to me. A particularly bad Federal Judge nominee with a history of anti-minority rulings, was rejected by the Senate, seen as a blow to Trump. 2 tGOP'ers voted against him as did all the Democrats. Maybe the GOP are starting to grow a tiny bit of spine.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-thomas-farr-black-voter-suppression_us_5c006678e4b0d04f48b26f51

everlast75 · 30-11-2018 10:43AM

Igotadose wrote: »

This is interesting to me. A particularly bad Federal Judge nominee with a history of anti-minority rulings, was rejected by the Senate, seen as a blow to Trump. 2 tGOP'ers voted against him as did all the Democrats. Maybe the GOP are starting to grow a tiny bit of spine.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-judicial-nominee-thomas-farr-black-voter-suppression_us_5c006678e4b0d04f48b26f51

Couple with that, R Paul, L Graham and Flake have all voted against Trump, the first two re Saudi Arabia with Flake voting against judicial nominee's until a Bill to protect Mueller is put in place.

I've said it before, as soon as Trump becomes a dead man walking, they will start to abandon him, and he needs their protection...

Sonics2k · 30-11-2018 11:25AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

I mean, there's certainly a past precedent, even if it wasn't Trump.

Bush Jnr was facing an awful lot of controversy over the (now confirmed) vote fixing in Florida during his first election. In response to 9/11 they launched an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq which worked as an absolute distraction about the whole scandal. People were far too focused on the (illegal) war, the introduction of the Patriot Act and the rising deaths directly related to the war.

Bill Clinton could certainly have similar accusations aimed at him.

Oafley Jones · 30-11-2018 11:40AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Bill Clinton could certainly have similar accusations aimed at him.

Notably Operation Infinite Reach, which targeted OBL and his facilities in Afghanistan and Sudan. The charge at the time was that Clinton was just trying to distract from the just breaking Lewinsky scandal.

BabyCheeses · 30-11-2018 11:48AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

Has Trump ever sacrificed for the good of another?

His national security advisor has said to a cheering room they would be in Tehran by Christmas. Trump himself said "To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!"

Draft Dodging Donnie on the military has said to a widow that her husband knew what he was getting into and he like people who weren't captured.

Where do you get the idea that Trump cares about anyone? That's the nonsense that needs to be backed up.

mcmoustache · 30-11-2018 11:53AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

On what basis are you saying that there is a "legitimate possibility" of Trump starting a war in Ukraine/Iran/Syria/North Korea just to divert from his personal "scandals"?

Come on, back this nonsense up please. That Donald Trump is willing to see people go to their deaths purely for his own self preservation.

He clearly views starting a war as a means of preserving a presidency. If you think Trump would stop and say to himself, "No, this would be wrong. I'll just face the consequences", you haven't been paying attention.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/258575681275965440

Zubeneschamali · 30-11-2018 11:58AM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN

Don't forget Trump threatening to nuke North Korea.

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