Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Ruraldweller56 · 30-11-2018 12:49AM

Gravelly wrote: »

You got one, you just weren't clever enough to recognise it.

I saw it. Plain as day. But I guess it wasn't an answer because it didn't cowtow the Lefty line.

Do you think it's impossible that anyone who happens to be a Traveller could be a normal, decent person?

I am also sure there are travellers who are lovely, quiet, law-abiding people, who are wonderful neighbours

Avon, you're a massive part of the problem buddy. Whether you realise it or not.

CinemaGuy45 · 30-11-2018 12:52AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I'll refrain from commenting on your intelligence, but you don't appear to understand the difference between a direct answer and a slippery, evasive one.

I will refrain from personal insult and in the same sentence lands a personal insult.:rolleyes:

Yer Da sells Avon · 30-11-2018 12:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The smugness just emanates from your response, why don't you become an automatic arbiter of justice Ray.

No offence, but I don't know who you are (I suspect you're not even a horse, to be brutally honest), so I'd kind of appreciate it if you didn't refer to me by my first name. Seems unnecessarily over-familiar and a bit creepy.

Feel free to continue, btw. I'm simply asking you not to.

30-11-2018 01:00AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No offence, but I don't know who you are (I suspect you're not even a horse, to be brutally honest), so I'd kind of appreciate it if you didn't refer to me by my first name. Seems unnecessarily over-familiar and a bit creepy.

Feel free to continue, btw. I'm simply asking you not to.

RayM was your previous moniker. Which you don't deny. Therefore I will refer to you as 'Ray' as opposed to an unfunny alternative.

Yer Da sells Avon · 30-11-2018 01:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

RayM was your previous moniker. Which you don't deny. Therefore I will refer to you as 'Ray' as opposed to an unfunny alternative.

Well, I've politely asked you not to, but do as you please.

SirChenjin · 30-11-2018 01:04AM

Omackeral wrote: »

And look who thanked it of course...

I know without even looking

!

30-11-2018 01:14AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Well, I've politely asked you not to, but do as you please.

I'll respect your wishes, owing to your courtesy. However, I envisage we'll be on opposite sides of debate futurewise. And so it stands, until our next battle of ideas.

Ruraldweller56 · 30-11-2018 01:23AM

Not trying to derail the thread or anything. But I'm a big Celtic man (yay 1-0 tonight). I could swear I've heard 'yer da sells Avon' in Glasgow before. More than once.

Lots of Celtic supporters for whatever reason seem to be poisoned with this Liberal/lefty/Marxist tripe. I don't know why. Deluded that everyone living in a council estate has a bookshelf full of Karl Marx sh1t and that all people from these types of places are really, really sound. And there isn't a shred of racism despite people in these types of places are likely to suffer the worst from lax immigration policies.

Its (a large) part of the reason I stopped going over there. Not long ago it was a big part of my life. I'd go at least 3 times a year. I could no longer handle looking at morons waving Palestinian flags around one week and rainbow flags the next. Not every celtic fan, but for me too sizeable of a minority carrying on at it.

Do you fit the profile, Avon? Or am I grossly mistaken?

Just asking. As I say. Don't want to take the thread off on a tangent into something else.

SusieBlue · 30-11-2018 01:51AM

For anyone defending these people, please have a look at the attached screenshots.
I read these under a FB article about a traveler woman who was convicted of stealing, a few of the woman’s relatives commented underneath defending her actions.

It’s actually hilarious that the apologists are here denying their criminality, their lack of respect for the law, and the fact that they take advantage of the tax payer.
Yet here, under this article, we have a few traveller folk not only openly admitting to all of those things, but actually laughing about it.

Couldn’t make it up if I tried.
How anyone can defend them knowing they openly take the p*ss out of us for going to work every day boils my blood.

(I blurred out any identifying info before anyone reports me)

Gimme A Pound · 30-11-2018 02:17AM

Graces7 wrote: »

all that you are objecting to is that they do not conform to YOUR ideas, and why should they? They are a different ethnic minority. So yes, wilfully misunderstood.

The stuff of parody.

AllForIt · 30-11-2018 02:38AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

For anyone defending these people, please have a look at the attached screenshots.
I read these under a FB article about a traveler woman who was convicted of stealing, a few of the woman’s relatives commented underneath defending her actions.

It’s actually hilarious that the apologists are here denying their criminality, their lack of respect for the law, and the fact that they take advantage of the tax payer.
Yet here, under this article, we have a few traveller folk not only openly admitting to all of those things, but actually laughing about it.

Couldn’t make it up if I tried.
How anyone can defend them knowing they openly take the p*ss out of us for going to work every day boils my blood.

(I blurred out any identifying info before anyone reports me)

The funny thing is they were clearly goading. The not funny thing is they meant every word they said.

Gimme A Pound · 30-11-2018 03:11AM

And then "Don't be prejudiced towards us!"

The neck of a giraffe.

holliehobbie · 30-11-2018 03:56AM

I travel on the Luas red line to work everyday and there are people on the Luas from all over the world. One evening I witnessed a teenaged traveller girl reach over across the aisle and deliberately knock a milkshake out of an Asian girls hand. Then she and her pals or siblings? laughed manically at the poor girl. Another day an African guy put his backpack in tge space in between the row of seats and a young traveller girl started roaring and yelling at him that he couldn't put his bag there. And that he should go back to the jungle. The guy ending up having to move away from her. Presume that's part of their culture too?

tuxy · 30-11-2018 06:21AM

Some more culture on display outside the Rotunda maternity hospital

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/a1hwyi/fight_outside_the_rotunda_maternity_hospital/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 30-11-2018 07:44AM

AllForIt wrote: »

It really is utterly infuriating what has been allowed to happen and the worse part of it is is it's not solely the travelers to blame but the do-gooders that support and defend them as if to show how virtuous they are in doing so.

Perfectly put. Making excuses for them, recognizing their "ethnic minority status" and "unique culture," and blaming the settled community for inflicting racism, discrimination, and social exclusion on them only turns Travellers into entitled victims and removes any responsibility on them to change. Instead, settled people are told that they are we are the ones who have to change.

Dysfunctional Traveller patterns such as taking girls out of school at 12 and marrying them off to their cousins at 16 are now seen as part of a valuable culture that needs to be preserved. Anyone who points out that this "culture" of disregard for education and early consanguineous marriage only leads to women becoming illiterate welfare-dependent mothers of 5+ kids by their 20s is met with "It's their ethnic minority culture. Are you a racist?"

If do-gooders actually wanted to do any good, they would be telling Travellers to keep their children in school, delay marriage and children at least until they finish their education, get jobs, have smaller families they can support, and address the serious problems with feuding, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, criminality, fraud, and tax evasion in their communities.

I'm sure there are some people who are trying to do these things -- but they are drowned out by the spin machine in Áras an Uachtaráin, Dáil Éireann, RTÉ, and Pavee Point who just want to make excuses for Travellers and blame settled people for all that is wrong in their communities.

The whole thing is insane.

893bet · 30-11-2018 07:59AM

tuxy wrote: »

Some more culture on display outside the Rotunda maternity hospital

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/a1hwyi/fight_outside_the_rotunda_maternity_hospital/

Must have been laundry day.

Yer Da sells Avon · 30-11-2018 08:08AM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Do you fit the profile, Avon? Or am I grossly mistaken?

Just asking. As I say. Don't want to take the thread off on a tangent into something else.

You are grossly mistaken and should hang your head in shame. I don't have any interest whatsoever in Scottish football, and have no been tae Glasgae in ma life.

Lefty Bicek · 30-11-2018 08:41AM

AllForIt wrote: »

Working Class to me describes ones social demographic background, not literally that one works. In any case I used the term lower-working-class, the class below Working Class, which is to me the social demographic at the near bottom of the social scale and I'd say that describes ppl who either don't work, have no intention of working, have no prospects for work, etc.

That is the Underclass, surely ?

Gravelly · 30-11-2018 08:58AM

tuxy wrote: »

Some more culture on display outside the Rotunda maternity hospital

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/a1hwyi/fight_outside_the_rotunda_maternity_hospital/

Why do traveller fights always seem to end up with someone’s arse on show, and no clear winner?

Mad_maxx · 30-11-2018 09:16AM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Perfectly put. Making excuses for them, recognizing their "ethnic minority status" and "unique culture," and blaming the settled community for inflicting racism, discrimination, and social exclusion on them only turns Travellers into entitled victims and removes any responsibility on them to change. Instead, settled people are told that they are we are the ones who have to change.

Dysfunctional Traveller patterns such as taking girls out of school at 12 and marrying them off to their cousins at 16 are now seen as part of a valuable culture that needs to be preserved. Anyone who points out that this "culture" of disregard for education and early consanguineous marriage only leads to women becoming illiterate welfare-dependent mothers of 5+ kids by their 20s is met with "It's their ethnic minority culture. Are you a racist?"

If do-gooders actually wanted to do any good, they would be telling Travellers to keep their children in school, delay marriage and children at least until they finish their education, get jobs, have smaller families they can support, and address the serious problems with feuding, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, criminality, fraud, and tax evasion in their communities.

I'm sure there are some people who are trying to do these things -- but they are drowned out by the spin machine in Áras an Uachtaráin, Dáil Éireann, RTÉ, and Pavee Point who just want to make excuses for Travellers and blame settled people for all that is wrong in their communities.

The whole thing is insane.

The do gooders are not concerned with the traveller's, they're aim is to smugly lecture middle Ireland who they despise.

PlaneSpeeking · 30-11-2018 09:51AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

For anyone defending these people, please have a look at the attached screenshots.
I read these under a FB article about a traveler woman who was convicted of stealing, a few of the woman’s relatives commented underneath defending her actions.

It’s actually hilarious that the apologists are here denying their criminality, their lack of respect for the law, and the fact that they take advantage of the tax payer.
Yet here, under this article, we have a few traveller folk not only openly admitting to all of those things, but actually laughing about it.

Couldn’t make it up if I tried.
How anyone can defend them knowing they openly take the p*ss out of us for going to work every day boils my blood.

(I blurred out any identifying info before anyone reports me)

Jesus who can actually defend that with a straight face ??? Like the other poster said "they mean every word" - why exactly are we bowing to these lowlives ?

Deebles McBeebles · 30-11-2018 10:37AM

#settledpeopleguilt

PlaneSpeeking · 30-11-2018 10:44AM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

#settledpeopleguilt

I hate the word "settled" so much, it's ridiculous.

We're people. If they want to call themselves something different, have at it - you can call yourself an aubergine for all I care.

Just don't expect the rest of us to fall in line or find it.

30-11-2018 10:45AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Why do traveller fights always seem to end up with someone’s arse on show, and no clear winner?

Doesn’t it just make ya go weak at the knees with desire?

CrankyHaus · 30-11-2018 11:03AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The do gooders are not concerned with the traveller's, they're aim is to smugly lecture middle Ireland who they despise.

It's more cynical than that. What we're seeing is a wholesale importation of the US victimhood industry. This involves various well-connected parties coming together as a network of self-interest to advocate on behalf of "victims" of the wider society:

Researchers and academics get paid to conduct "studies" that prove disadvantage while carefully remaining blinkered to any of its causes that do not match the desired end of "discrimination";

Non-profit "community and advocacy" quangos obtain public funding to address the inequalities presented by these studies;

Lawyers get business and profile representing these "victims" when they seek to shake down the public purse;

Politicians gain publicity and some votes by standing up for "the most disadvantaged in our society";

Media gets a soft emotional story that requires minimal journalistic graft (typically they're presented with the interviewee by their Quango handlers and know to ask no hard questions, exactly as happened in the first two weeks of the Margaret Cash story when her dishonest gambit was pushed for all it was worth by the papers, radio and TV).

This creates a significant amount of important people with a vested interest in the status quo. This is why Peter Casey aroused such vitriol, he threatened to take food from their plates. Actually solving the social and economic problems in the travelling community is not the aim of this system, in fact it would kill the Goose that lays the golden eggs.

Deebles McBeebles · 30-11-2018 11:03AM

Arrests made in the referee attack case
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46393885

30-11-2018 11:26AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I hate the word "settled" so much, it's ridiculous.

We're people. If they want to call themselves something different, have at it - you can call yourself an aubergine for all I care.

Just don't expect the rest of us to fall in line or find it.

Cis Gendered Settled Man

Lefty Bicek · 30-11-2018 11:31AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

It's more cynical than that. What we're seeing is a wholesale importation of the US victimhood industry. This involves various well-connected parties coming together as a network of self-interest to advocate on behalf of "victims" of the wider society:

Researchers and academics get paid to conduct "studies" that prove disadvantage while carefully remaining blinkered to any of its causes that do not match the desired end of "discrimination";

Non-profit "community and advocacy" quangos obtain public funding to address the inequalities presented by these studies;

Lawyers get business and profile representing these "victims" when they seek to shake down the public purse;

Politicians gain publicity and some votes by standing up for "the most disadvantaged in our society";

Media gets a soft emotional story that requires minimal journalistic graft (typically they're presented with the interviewee by their Quango handlers and know to ask no hard questions, exactly as happened in the first two weeks of the Margaret Cash story when her dishonest gambit was pushed for all it was worth by the papers, radio and TV).

This creates a significant amount of important people with a vested interest in the status quo. This is why Peter Casey aroused such vitriol, he threatened to take food from their plates. Actually solving the social and economic problems in the travelling community is not the aim of this system, in fact it would kill the Goose that lays the golden eggs.

It's very insidious.

Not long ago an opinion piece appeared on the RTE website, by some university academic or other. The kind of article where the comments section remains inaccessible, and the point of view therefore unchallenged.

So I emailed him directly and challenged him to substantiate his cosy view.

Still waiting.

These 'intellectuals' are totally unaccountable, but with free access to a platform provided by... us.

jmayo · 30-11-2018 11:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

In order to be a member of the working class, one needs to work.

Nah the working class in Ireland as defined by the likes of sinn fein, people before principles, etc are those for the most part that have never worked a day in their lives.

The real working class are seen by these parties as the mugs that pay for the above group.

holliehobbie wrote: »

I travel on the Luas red line to work everyday and there are people on the Luas from all over the world. One evening I witnessed a teenaged traveller girl reach over across the aisle and deliberately knock a milkshake out of an Asian girls hand. Then she and her pals or siblings? laughed manically at the poor girl. Another day an African guy put his backpack in tge space in between the row of seats and a young traveller girl started roaring and yelling at him that he couldn't put his bag there. And that he should go back to the jungle. The guy ending up having to move away from her. Presume that's part of their culture too?

The thing in modern Western societies is that the ones supposedly most concerned about liberal attitudes, about sexual discrimination, about LGBT rights, are the ones most vehemently defending and supporting the likes of travellers, muslim self segregation (i.e. multi culturalism) and increasing backward uneducated misogynistic economic migrants from Africa/Asia.

The real laugh is the very ones they are forever supporting are the most discriminatory you can find, the most misogynistic out there and the most insular.

It really is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

It defies logic and intelligence.

EDIT:
Of course there is a bit of a superiority complex going on as well, where they think they know better and believe they can convert or or show these people the error of their ways.
"Sure bring them in, offer them all they want, bring them to your home and they will forget about beating the cr** out of ya because you are gay, a different religion or a different tribe."

And as highlighted by one poster here, it is your fault for not engaging enough with them, it is your fault that they don't integrate, it is your fault that they are uneducated and unemployable.
And it will be your fault if they beat the sh** out of ya and steal everything you own.
Fooks sake there is a huge amount of delusion and actual self hatred in Western societies these days.

30-11-2018 11:52AM

Graces7 never came back after the Amish comparison did she?! :pac::pac:

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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