Mad_maxx wrote: » The do gooders are not concerned with the traveller's, they're aim is to smugly lecture middle Ireland who they despise.
Gravelly wrote: » Why do traveller fights always seem to end up with someone’s arse on show, and no clear winner?
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » #settledpeopleguilt
SusieBlue wrote: » For anyone defending these people, please have a look at the attached screenshots. I read these under a FB article about a traveler woman who was convicted of stealing, a few of the woman’s relatives commented underneath defending her actions. It’s actually hilarious that the apologists are here denying their criminality, their lack of respect for the law, and the fact that they take advantage of the tax payer. Yet here, under this article, we have a few traveller folk not only openly admitting to all of those things, but actually laughing about it. Couldn’t make it up if I tried. How anyone can defend them knowing they openly take the p*ss out of us for going to work every day boils my blood. (I blurred out any identifying info before anyone reports me)
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » Perfectly put. Making excuses for them, recognizing their "ethnic minority status" and "unique culture," and blaming the settled community for inflicting racism, discrimination, and social exclusion on them only turns Travellers into entitled victims and removes any responsibility on them to change. Instead, settled people are told that they are we are the ones who have to change. Dysfunctional Traveller patterns such as taking girls out of school at 12 and marrying them off to their cousins at 16 are now seen as part of a valuable culture that needs to be preserved. Anyone who points out that this "culture" of disregard for education and early consanguineous marriage only leads to women becoming illiterate welfare-dependent mothers of 5+ kids by their 20s is met with "It's their ethnic minority culture. Are you a racist?" If do-gooders actually wanted to do any good, they would be telling Travellers to keep their children in school, delay marriage and children at least until they finish their education, get jobs, have smaller families they can support, and address the serious problems with feuding, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, criminality, fraud, and tax evasion in their communities. I'm sure there are some people who are trying to do these things -- but they are drowned out by the spin machine in Áras an Uachtaráin, Dáil Éireann, RTÉ, and Pavee Point who just want to make excuses for Travellers and blame settled people for all that is wrong in their communities. The whole thing is insane.
tuxy wrote: » Some more culture on display outside the Rotunda maternity hospitalhttps://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/a1hwyi/fight_outside_the_rotunda_maternity_hospital/
AllForIt wrote: » Working Class to me describes ones social demographic background, not literally that one works. In any case I used the term lower-working-class, the class below Working Class, which is to me the social demographic at the near bottom of the social scale and I'd say that describes ppl who either don't work, have no intention of working, have no prospects for work, etc.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Do you fit the profile, Avon? Or am I grossly mistaken? Just asking. As I say. Don't want to take the thread off on a tangent into something else.
AllForIt wrote: » It really is utterly infuriating what has been allowed to happen and the worse part of it is is it's not solely the travelers to blame but the do-gooders that support and defend them as if to show how virtuous they are in doing so.
Graces7 wrote: » all that you are objecting to is that they do not conform to YOUR ideas, and why should they? They are a different ethnic minority. So yes, wilfully misunderstood.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » Well, I've politely asked you not to, but do as you please.
Omackeral wrote: » And look who thanked it of course...
Deleted User wrote: » RayM was your previous moniker. Which you don't deny. Therefore I will refer to you as 'Ray' as opposed to an unfunny alternative.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » No offence, but I don't know who you are (I suspect you're not even a horse, to be brutally honest), so I'd kind of appreciate it if you didn't refer to me by my first name. Seems unnecessarily over-familiar and a bit creepy. Feel free to continue, btw. I'm simply asking you not to.
Deleted User wrote: » The smugness just emanates from your response, why don't you become an automatic arbiter of justice Ray.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » I'll refrain from commenting on your intelligence, but you don't appear to understand the difference between a direct answer and a slippery, evasive one.
Gravelly wrote: » You got one, you just weren't clever enough to recognise it.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » A direct answer to my question would have been nice, but perhaps too much to expect.
Gravelly wrote: » I'm sure you are genuinely interested. I am also sure there are travellers who are lovely, quiet, law-abiding people, who are wonderful neighbours - I've never met one, or met anyone in real life who met one, but lots of people on here seem to have. But then there's a thread on here where people are recounting their experiences of meeting ghosts too.
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