Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Spanish Eyes · 29-11-2018 01:42PM

Breaking news.....

The Indo called them "Traveller Gangs" in the article quoted above.

"GARDAI have seized a €100,000 camper van and two other vehicles in a crackdown on Traveller gangs suspected of being involved in organised burglaries and handling stolen property."

Progress, a chink of honest light coming into the media at last maybe!

Gravelly · 29-11-2018 01:43PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Breaking news.....

The Indo called them "Traveller Gangs" in the article quoted above.

"GARDAI have seized a €100,000 camper van and two other vehicles in a crackdown on Traveller gangs suspected of being involved in organised burglaries and handling stolen property."

Progress, a chink of honest light coming into the media at last maybe!

There'll be a racism claim from Pavee Point at any moment, and the article will be changed.

Spanish Eyes · 29-11-2018 01:45PM

Gravelly wrote: »

There'll be a racism claim from Pavee Point at any moment, and the article will be changed.

Let's see. They want Traveller Ethnic Status, so let's call them what they want to be classified as.

Anyway it doesn't matter now, the genie has escaped from the bottle.

But I reckon the Irish Liberal Times will still call them "crime gangs".

Gravelly · 29-11-2018 01:47PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Let's see. They want Traveller Ethnic Status, so let's call them what they want to be classified as.

Anyway it doesn't matter now, the genie has escaped from the bottle.

But I reckon the Irish Liberal Times will still call them "crime gangs".

Or, "Crime Gangs Who Are Only Criminals Because They Are Victims Of Terrible, Terrible Racism From The Settled Community"

Ruraldweller56 · 29-11-2018 01:48PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Your main para; all that you are objecting to is that they do not conform to YOUR ideas, and why should they? They are a different ethnic minority. So yes, wilfully misunderstood. And if others were treated in eg schools as traveller kids often are? Sure they would leave. Education can always be resumed later in life and frankly is not the be all and end all of life.

Are irish folk innocent of the crimes you list?

In my years here I have had more serious problems with non-travellers than with travellers. And I mean serious. eg assault. Far more.
and equal great kindness and help from both groups.

wonder what you would make of the Amish

I took up boxing, partly because of how me and my friends were being treated by these people in school. Thankfully I didn't need to use it. By the time I was any good they were long gone.

We 'treated' them fine. Nothing actually. We just nothinged with them. In fact, teachers bent over backwards with them. Would go over the same stuff over and over again long after the rest of us had gotten it just for their benefit or cover the exact same thing that they missed the previous day(s) because they were by the way out sick.

On the other hand they spent their time being disruptive, stealing sh1t, bumming cigarettes and starting fights with the biggest pu**ies they could find. Rarely if ever did I see one pick on someone who wasn't afraid of them.

I imagine I speak for most people on here when I say our parents would have left hell freeze over first if we had come home in the evening and said we were leaving because of the way we were being treated by the travellers in the class.

Quite a bizarre argument you're making. And if we're honest shows really how much real life experience you have in dealing with them.

Deebles McBeebles · 29-11-2018 01:57PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/criminal-assets-bureau-seizes-vehicles-worth-130-000-in-raids-1.3713180

Anyone fancy playing Crime Family or Traveller Family? Since the media won't report which it is. The link is the most detailed article I could find on it.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Breaking news.....

The Indo called them "Traveller Gangs" in the article quoted above.

"GARDAI have seized a €100,000 camper van and two other vehicles in a crackdown on Traveller gangs suspected of being involved in organised burglaries and handling stolen property."

Progress, a chink of honest light coming into the media at last maybe!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 29-11-2018 02:15PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But I reckon the Irish Liberal Times will still call them "crime gangs".

Who else would be living in a €100,000 camper van with STG £3,500 in cash and a Rolex watch under the mattress?

Everyone will still know who we're talking about!

Spanish Eyes · 29-11-2018 02:27PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Who else would be living in a €100,000 camper van with STG £3,500 in cash and a Rolex watch under the mattress?

Everyone will still know who we're talking about!

I know.

But up to the Indo article these people were never identified as Traveller Gangs.

I don't understand the censorship of their status myself, since it is what they actually wanted. But the media has decided not to mention Travellers, when the world and its mother knows who and what they are.

Wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't been granted Ethnic Status, then I would say OK we are all equal. But we are not, either as victims of Travellers or as recipients of information about their shenanigans either.

They are Travellers. If they happen to be criminals, well we are doing them a disservice by not identifying them according to their ethnic status. That would be discrimination!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 29-11-2018 02:35PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I hear they make their own slash hooks.

They throw bullets at each other.

No fancy modern 'gun of the hand' allowed in Amish gang feuds.

jay0109 · 29-11-2018 02:40PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Let's see. They want Traveller Ethnic Status, so let's call them what they want to be classified as.

Anyway it doesn't matter now, the genie has escaped from the bottle.

But I reckon the Irish Liberal Times will still call them "crime gangs".

There's the IT story....not a mention of the words 'Traveller' or 'halting site'
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/criminal-assets-bureau-seizes-vehicles-worth-130-000-in-raids-1.3713180

And The Journal haven't updated yesterday's initial story on the raid which had no mention of the ethnic minority. Which is odd for them as all they really do is recycle old stories every few hours with updates
https://www.thejournal.ie/cab-raids-dublin-4364095-Nov2018/

And that folks, is the mainstream media in Ireland. Who we're supposed to be thankful for and may even eventually end up subsidising through our taxes in the near future!

MarkHenderson · 29-11-2018 02:46PM

Haven't read the whole thread but is this the same woman who appeared on Prime Time? Also 300 euro worth of clothes from Pennys, did she reverse a truck in?

Working class heroes · 29-11-2018 03:02PM

I thought this was a Margaret Cash bashing thread(justified to be fair)

Are there not enough Traveler bashing threads on here ?

What’s the crack mods?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 29-11-2018 03:04PM

jay0109 wrote: »

There's the IT story....not a mention of the words 'Traveller' or 'halting site'
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/criminal-assets-bureau-seizes-vehicles-worth-130-000-in-raids-1.3713180

An utter disgrace. Media censorship at its finest.

Fair play to the Independent for using the T-word and pointing out that these criminal gangs are claiming social welfare while living in or driving luxury vehicles worth hundreds of thousands.

The Irish people deserve to know the truth.

topper75 · 29-11-2018 03:13PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

An utter disgrace. Media censorship at its finest.

Fair play to the Independent for using the T-word and pointing out that these criminal gangs are claiming social welfare while living in or driving luxury vehicles worth hundreds of thousands.

The Irish people deserve to know the truth.

Seems those two papers have done a flip of some kind.

IT is just a low-grade propaganda pamphlet now. Its paper-of-record history is long behind it.

The Ind, in amongst the frivolous dross, is still making some attempt at least to report news in cold terms.

Deebles McBeebles · 29-11-2018 03:21PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

I thought this was a Margaret Cash bashing thread(justified to be fair)

Are there not enough Traveler bashing threads on here ?

MC mainly but she is a traveller after all so the 2 are connected. Seems to be just this one and the Peter Casey one which has since died that are on the topic of travellers.

topper75 wrote: »

IT is just a low-grade propaganda pamphlet now. Its paper-of-record history is long behind it.

The Ind, in amongst the frivolous dross, is still making some attempt at least to report news in cold terms.

IT was always a pile of scour. Indo should take your review for their next marketing campaign though; You came for Ian O' Doherty, now stay for our attempt to report the news in cold terms.

Working class heroes · 29-11-2018 03:32PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

MC mainly but she is a traveller after all so the 2 are connected. Seems to be just this one and the Peter Casey one which has since died that are on the topic of travellers.
.

Not the way I see it but fair enough.

Deebles McBeebles · 29-11-2018 03:41PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

Not the way I see it but fair enough.

The topic of the thread or the amount of traveller threads?

Floppybits · 29-11-2018 03:59PM

Was the Camper Van the home the person was removed from?

CinemaGuy45 · 29-11-2018 04:06PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

I thought this was a Margaret Cash bashing thread(justified to be fair)

Are there not enough Traveler bashing threads on here ?

What’s the crack mods?

Translation the truth is coming out and the majority have woken up.

Nobody is forcing you to read it.

Floppybits · 29-11-2018 04:29PM

"Independent.ie can reveal that of the five bays raided at the halting site, all had “brand new top-of-the-range caravans and vans”, even though all the owners are claiming social welfare."

We are being taken for mugs.

CinemaGuy45 · 29-11-2018 04:39PM

Floppybits wrote: »

"Independent.ie can reveal that of the five bays raided at the halting site, all had “brand new top-of-the-range caravans and vans”, even though all the owners are claiming social welfare."

We are being taken for mugs.

I suppose End of the Road will be along to tell us all it is our responsibility to pay them welfare so their kids don’t go hungry.

topper75 · 29-11-2018 04:41PM

Floppybits wrote: »

"Independent.ie can reveal that of the five bays raided at the halting site, all had “brand new top-of-the-range caravans and vans”, even though all the owners are claiming social welfare."

We are being taken for mugs.

That is patently clear.

The question is why do some do-gooders want a veil around that?

Deebles McBeebles · 29-11-2018 04:45PM

Another question I'd like answered is how many halting sites are being looked into by CAB? And for what reasons. If more than 1 or 2 start throwing up similar hauls of illegal goods and showing the occupants as welfare frauds, what then?

EDIT: I realise CAB can't release this info ahead of raids taking place but wouldn't it be nice to know.

CinemaGuy45 · 29-11-2018 04:50PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Another question I'd like answered is how many halting sites are being looked into by CAB? And for what reasons. If more than 1 or 2 start throwing up similar hauls of illegal goods and showing the occupants as welfare frauds, what then?

That is what the race card and the libtard media is for.
And we have posters crying here not more traveler bashing.

Think the majority of people have had enough of that ****e.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 29-11-2018 04:56PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Translation the truth is coming out and the majority have woken up.

In the past few months we've had Margaret "De gubbermint is robbing me!" Cash pulling publicity stunts with her seven children before racking up her 39th criminal conviction. We've had Travellers refusing six homes built for them in Tipperary at a cost of €1.7 million to the taxpayer because they didn't come with stables and six acres of land for horses. We've seen numerous additional policing resources required in Drogheda because of a feud involving stabbings, hatchet attacks, kidnappings, and car bombs. And now we have Travellers living in €100,000 camper vans while claiming social welfare.

The spin machine must be working overtime in RTE and Pavee Point trying to deflect and cover up all of this.

It's clear that "ethnic minority status" has only made the situation much worse, because Travellers now feel that they have immunity from criticism.

KrustyUCC · 29-11-2018 04:57PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Another question I'd like answered is how many halting sites are being looked into by CAB? And for what reasons. If more than 1 or 2 start throwing up similar hauls of illegal goods and showing the occupants as welfare frauds, what then?

EDIT: I realise CAB can't release this info ahead of raids taking place but wouldn't it be nice to know.

It should be all of them

Nothing will happen

After a storm last year travellers from the Carrigrohane straight halting site were put up in the 4* Kingsley hotel

Storm damage sees Traveller families housed in top 4 star hotel

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/storm-damage-sees-traveller-families-housed-in-top-4-star-hotel-823416.html

They eventually got kicked out thanks to anti social behaviour

Cork City Council 'treating us like dogs' say homeless Travellers

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-city-council-treating-us-like-dogs-say-homeless-travellers-465999.html

It was an open secret that some of the families had 172 or 181 cars which they would leave on the halting site rather than park in the Kingsley

Those same individuals were drawing the dole as they caused a lot of hassle on dole day in the residents bar

B00MSTICK · 29-11-2018 04:57PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The reason why I made that comparison is because clondalkin is an economically disadvantaged area with similar population as the travellers as a whole.

Those are the type of areas that should be compared as many are struggling and there are a lot of similarities.
Marry young.
Leave school early etc etc.

I'd agree with this.
Anti-social/scummy behaviour can be traced back to many issues but and I'll add a few from my POV:

Lack of education (leaving school early due to early marriage or getting pregnant etc.) or little value placed on education (potentially uneducated parents?)
Lack of attention/responsibilty from parents or outright neglect (large families may be part of this?)
Lack of good/positive role models
Living environment/peer pressure/ridicule (getting in with the wrong crowd)
Many more..

.

The problem I have is that Traveller culture actually exacerbates many of these issues to a massive degree.
Is that something we can agree with?
I could list aspects of Traveller culture against all the points above but I assume most can join the dots.

And there are definitely similarities between the above and disadvantaged areas 100%

Gravelly · 29-11-2018 04:58PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

In the past few months we've had Margaret "De gubbermint is robbing me!" Cash pulling publicity stunts with her seven children before racking up her 39th criminal conviction. We've had Travellers refusing six homes built for them in Tipperary at a cost of €1.7 million to the taxpayer because they didn't come with stables and six acres of land for horses. We've seen numerous additional policing resources required in Drogheda because of a feud involving stabbings, hatchet attacks, kidnappings, and car bombs. And now we have Travellers living in €100,000 camper vans while claiming social welfare.

The spin machine must be working overtime in RTE and Pavee Point trying to deflect and cover up all of this.

It's clear that "ethnic minority status" has only made the situation much worse, because Travellers now feel that they have immunity from criticism.

And wait until the scandal of the €1,000,000 traveller council house down in Kerry comes to light.....

KrustyUCC · 29-11-2018 04:59PM

Gravelly wrote: »

And wait until the scandal of the €1,000,000 traveller council house down in Kerry comes to light.....

A million euro :eek:

That story will be fun

Gravelly · 29-11-2018 05:01PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A million euro :eek:

That story will be fun

From what I'm hearing, it will make the lads in Tipperary look like saints.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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