What will the UK look like in 20 years?

Graces7 · 29-11-2018 10:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Austerity is hardly gonna solve that one!

I know. All it does is hit the really needy folk.
The youtube items are heartbreaking.

Just watched homel ess folk there searching skips for food.

29-11-2018 12:03PM

Graces7 wrote: »

I know. All it does is hit the really needy folk.
The youtube items are heartbreaking.

Just watched homel ess folk there searching skips for food.

it has hit the most vulnerable badly, but be careful of those youtube videos, they are created with an agenda.

I have a good friend who was himself homeless and living on the streets in London for three years. He now works for a charity trying to bridge the gap between homeless people and the hostels, because the issue isn't enough beds or enough free food centres, it is getting those people in to them.

The problem is far more nuanced than just people forced to live on the streets and beg for food because they have no money, it is usually a drink/drug/mental health issue.

There are also a huge amount of professional beggars. Last time I was in Windsor the amount of sleeping bags in bus shelters was shocking. oddly though, when you walk past at 2am, they have all gone

topper75 · 29-11-2018 12:40PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I live here with my Greek girlfriend and we're both noticing it's getting more racist.

But Brits love the Greeks. Even went as far as hanging some old Greek stuff up in their own museum. If that isn't a tribute...

bob mcbob · 29-11-2018 12:55PM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Bankrupt. The SNP has the country on its knees as it is and blames London for all its failings.

An independent Scotland would turn into a SNP run dictatorship. Its scary looking at some of the stunts they pull. "Catch them young"!

They are known as the Scottish Nazi Party for a reason.

Unless you are wishing me dead.. Then its report button time!

I think it is ironic you throwing around the Nazi word to describe everyone else.

Considering your username that of a Nazi Battleship from WWII

Laois_Man · 29-11-2018 01:05PM

prinzeugen wrote: »

One report of many.. Look at Scotland. Independence would be great according to one report. Reality is they would be bankrupt now if the vote had gone the other way.

According to another report..

Its all just some self important twat giving an opinion. Thats what reports are.

Can you post a link to a good report that concludes the UK will benefit economically from Brexit?

handlemaster · 29-11-2018 01:10PM

Worse off conomy will mean more empoverished people. More crime. As the chief of the cumberland said we had people phoning 999 because KFC ran out of chicken we will not be able to manage a large civil upheaval.

tomplate · 29-11-2018 01:13PM

It will be funny in a way

The British voted for something which damages them

steddyeddy · 29-11-2018 01:28PM

The British chancellor, Phillip Hammond said that Brexit will leave the UK worse off. It's really doesn't get more damning than that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

tomplate · 29-11-2018 01:32PM

It's a funny old business

They're leaving the EU which will cost them

They'll still be flooded with migrants

They're keeping NI and Gibraltar and the commonwealth

29-11-2018 01:49PM

tomplate wrote: »

It's a funny old business

They're leaving the EU which will cost them

They'll still be flooded with migrants

They're keeping NI and Gibraltar and the commonwealth

what has "Keeping NI and Gibralter" got to do with it?

and the Commonwealth comment is just bonkers.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-11-2018 01:50PM

tomplate wrote: »

It's a funny old business

They're leaving the EU which will cost them

They'll still be flooded with migrants

They're keeping NI and Gibraltar and the commonwealth

They're leaving as (rightly or wrongly) simply felt their identity was at risk.

Not helped by an Etonian toff (quit the day after the result), who actually called the gamble. Dave never had to que in a NHS facility, or send his kids to an inner city school where English was the 2nd language, nor any clue as to the price of a loaf of bread.

They'll still have generational-migration, but like this week in the Channel (swimming with Iranians on dingies) they're have to nearly triple/quadrouple their border staff.

Ireland's border force will likely have to establish a presence in French ports should Rosslare become the next 'eldarado' signpost from those selectively choosing where to apply for asylum.

Odhinn · 29-11-2018 01:52PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

So the UK finally finds out Brexit is bad and they will be a poorer country under every deal or scenario the UK will be worse off post Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-wages-theresa-may-gdp-deal-eu-latest-analysis-a8655746.html

My question isn't really about Brexit as it looks like it's happening. I'm just wondering exactly how poor the UK will become in the next decade if they'll be worse off in every scenario. ...................................

Laois_Man · 29-11-2018 03:43PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British chancellor, Phillip Hammond said that Brexit will leave the UK worse off. It's really doesn't get more damning than that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

It's not new

The British public were warned about that on a daily basis on the months leading up to the Brexit vote and they ignored it.

Oldenboard · 29-11-2018 04:36PM

Britain's social divide has been growing faster then in most other European countries. Brexit will increase the income differences. If it continues it will lead to an even more divided country, alternatively it may lead to a revolt, which may not be peaceful.

Grayson · 29-11-2018 04:42PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

It's not new

The British public were warned about that on a daily basis on the months leading up to the Brexit vote and they ignored it.

It's weird to hear the crap coming out of some politicians in the UK. Like that eejit who said that english people could get Irish passports. Or the NI Secretary who said she never realised that people in NI vote according to their communities.

It really seems like there's certain people in power there who haven't got a clue.

Personally i don't know what Britain will look like. All I can say is that it's all based on the next few weeks.

I've heard people say another vote is going to happen. I think it's necessary but unlikely. Neither of the major parties want it. neither party can rally support for it's plans (Whatever labours plans are. They're still leaving us guessing on a lot). The conservatives can barely get their own party to support anything. It may well be that they will crash out with a hard brexit because they simply can't agree on anything.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-11-2018 04:47PM

Oldenboard wrote: »

Britain's social divide has been growing faster then in most other European countries. Brexit will increase the income differences. If it continues it will lead to an even more divided country, alternatively it may lead to a revolt, which may not be peaceful.

Generally a global/western trend, and to complicate matters China has a growing middle-class, demanding better wages.

That might sound good (export opportunity), but it indicates an underlying wealth shift from West to East. The West who have historically benefitted from slavery, conquest and exploitation will suffer the most against the mighty dragon on a level playing field.

Yes, politicans won't loose their hats, and squirrel weath in tax-friendly trustfunds. Anyone see Dav 'Brexit' Cam since he resigned? Last I heard he was gigging in China of all places.

Grayson · 29-11-2018 04:53PM

btw, I don't know if this was mentioned already.

The UK needs better politicians.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1067908782364200961

Laois_Man · 29-11-2018 07:16PM

Capt'n Midnight · 29-11-2018 07:20PM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Its an unknown. Yes there is advantages but there could be pitfalls. I believe the UK is better off out.

It may not be a bed of roses to start with. If I put that in a report would it become fact do you think?

What advantages and for whom ?

The Bank Of England report suggests that a Hard Brexit could lead to Loads Of Money for the speculators. Especially those with foreign cash.

House prices falling by a third, sterling falling by a quarter ?
That would halve todays cost of buying a UK house if you have Euros or Dollars.

Unemployment and interest rates rising. Lots of people will find themselves in negative equity. Lots of people won't be able to keep up the repayments.

Vulture funds will be interested.

Capt'n Midnight · 29-11-2018 07:30PM

Patww79 wrote: »

And there's the one and only reason the whole thing passed at all. "Out of our country you filthy forrin".

After May's soundbyte about EU nationals no longer being able to jump the queue the stats are in. Overall immigration rates are unchanged. More non-EU making up for less EU.

The xenophobes who thought Leave would stop foreigners have actually voted for more foreign foreigners who are less likely to retire home and can't retire to other parts of the EU.

29-11-2018 09:23PM

Oldenboard wrote: »

Britain's social divide has been growing faster then in most other European countries. Brexit will increase the income differences. If it continues it will lead to an even more divided country, alternatively it may lead to a revolt, which may not be peaceful.

While you're 100% correct, unfortunately in terms of rising inequality the statistics in this state aren't looking good either, aping the Anglo-American low-taxation-on-the-rich model as we do. It's increasingly obvious to more and more people who are familiar with the works of economists Thomas Piketty, Joe Stiglitz & Paul Krugman that this will be the next battlefront of societies which follow this model.

World Economic Forum 2018, report on Ireland:

.... In particular, wealth inequality has been increasing over the past five years. Income inequality, on the other hand, has declined slightly over the last five years on average...

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-11-2018 09:51PM

Inequality of wealth distribution is just one side, there's also the automation factor, whereby 35-50% of all current roles will become redundant by 2030 (12yrs), higher still in the full 20yrs.

Yes many studies show some new roles will be created, but there is 'more certainty' than current roles will cease than new will be created.
Also most new roles, will pre-require the very highly skilled or educated.

The only low skilled roles will be the most dangerous, dexterous or unpleasent to perform (maybe medical trial participants signing rights waviers).

The most at risk group is young, unskilled, uneducated, non-fluent males. They are also the most vocal.

French drivers we're closing down central Paris last week, as gas was getting a bit pricey.
In twenty years, they'll be setting fire to the 'autobot's that will drive their HGV's for them.

buried · 29-11-2018 10:03PM

There'll be guillotines sharpened for all the hoy-poly once the blame can't be blasted at anybody else for a change. David Cameron did well to disappear to wherever the Hell he disappeared to.

Edgware · 29-11-2018 10:08PM

buried wrote: »

There'll be guillotines sharpened for all the hoy-poly once the blame can't be blasted at anybody else for a change. David Cameron did well to disappear to wherever the Hell he disappeared to.

Probably off whooping it up with the Blairs

30-11-2018 12:04AM

buried wrote: »

There'll be guillotines sharpened for all the hoy-poly once the blame can't be blasted at anybody else for a change. David Cameron did well to disappear to wherever the Hell he disappeared to.

Alas, Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg and company are on to a winner: when Brexit is shown to be a disaster, they will argue to their ideological constituency convincingly (because they're persuading idiots) that it would have been brilliant but for the EU with the collaboration of some British people undermined the will of the people. And so on ad nauseam with playing that line. The media will undoubtedly oblige with consolidating that "poor us" victimhood bubble. Meanwhile, the English rich will continue to get richer and working conditions will decrease in order to make England "more competitive". It would be quite fitting if the plebs who voted for Brexit find their working conditions declining further while the native capitalists successfully convince them that the EU is to blame for all their woes.

Junkyard Tom · 30-11-2018 12:40AM

I have a feeling that Brexit is a sideshow and in a coupe of decades time it will be either socialism (in the old-fashioned Marxist sense of 'control of the means of production') or barbarism.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-11-2018 08:22AM

If they rejoin they will have to accept the Euro as all new joiners have to adopt it, that will wreck them a 2nd time, lol.

01-12-2018 10:58AM

The madness of Brexit is shown once again in this morning's story:

UK pulling out of EU sat-nav project

Just think about the consequences for Britain of their leaving this one EU project of the many they'll have to leave when they leave the EU club. Do the British really think they are going to create a sat-nav system that will be as good as the one created from the much greater resources of all the EU states combined? How much money will Britain waste trying to develop their inferior sat-nav system? And the consequences of all this for MI5/MI6/British military?

Brexit is a world-beating example of a nation cutting off its nose to spite its face. Stunningly stupid in its conceit. The 50 years of lies from the Tories/rightwing/Brexiters and their oligarch-controlled media have brought them to this position. Pride before the fall.

timthumbni · 01-12-2018 12:24PM

It really highlights the nations of bed wetters that people have become if you look at the hysterical reaction to Brexit.

Reminds me of the Midnight Express book where people walked aimlessly in a daze in a circle in the basement of the prison clockwise around a pillar and got all upset when someone tried to walk the other way.

The Eu is an overbloated gravy train of bureaucracy. It will derail. It’s just a matter of time.

_Kaiser_ · 01-12-2018 12:30PM

timthumbni wrote: »

It really highlights the nations of bed wetters that people have become if you look at the hysterical reaction to Brexit.

Reminds me of the Midnight Express book where people walked aimlessly in a daze in a circle in the basement of the prison clockwise around a pillar and got all upset when someone tried to walk the other way.

The Eu is an overbloated gravy train of bureaucracy. It will derail. It’s just a matter of time.

The whole intent of the scaremongering is to dissuade electorates in other nations - who have a lot of the same reservations these days - to call for their own exit from Europe.

Brexit HAS to be a disaster, significantly and visibility causing chaos within the UK in order for the EU leadership to hold its grasp on power.

If Brexit actually turned out to be ultimately beneficial and not this doomsday scenario that's pushed at every turn, the real disaster would be for those same politicians and EU institutions as it would likely start a chain reaction.

What will the UK look like in 20 years?

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