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Would you like to attend a housing protest?

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  • #182
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭Allinall


    klaaaz wrote: »
    They're studios.



    Oh, a fracture in the FFG thought of mind! The defenders of the wealthy are fine with everyone paying a minimum of 1500 a month for a roof over their heads and the poor can go starve themsleves.

    They’re apartments.


  • #183
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    I was going to make a post about this here the other day but the rules said no politics. So I went and made a thread over on the politics forum, which garnered little interest.

    anyway I'm reposting it here, shortened down a bit.
    I've certainly noticed an increased amount of homeless on the streets alright. I've had a particularly bad experience at work, with a homeless man that shocked me a bit too and it made me realise how little services there are in place for them.

    People seem to be stressed out more with their standard of living and lack of places to rent that isn't a ripoff or substandard.
    Most people my age (27) are hardly able to save because of the high cost of rent, and a lot of us still live with our parents.
    I'm earning 36k a year and the best quote I got for a mortgage was 80k with a 20k deposit.
    Good luck trying to find a place buy with that pittance in the current market.

    I'm going to attend the protest on saturday by myself. I'm sure a lot of people will sneer at the idea but **** it beats just moaning about it right? It's in inescapable with how often its on the radio/tv/news Never been to a protest before either.
    Am I wrong?

    I've never been into politics much but in the past few months I'm getting really sick of this government.
    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I am one. Been renting for 11 years. The only way I'm buying ? Lottery win.

    The people behind Raise the Roof, Take Back the City, Apollo House etc etc could not give two miniscule f***s about struggling working people.

    They're professional protestors who just want to be seen as relevant. cf. also, AAA/PBP/Coppinger/Murphy/Post Boy Barrett etc.

    So why don't you do what I'm doing, and attend the housing protest not as part of one of these groups?

    Stand up for yourself ffs. It's so pathetic to me that people won't raise their voice because they have these chips on their shoulders over some groups with a political agenda.
    Some of you would rather struggle financially and be worse off, or be turfed out of your apartment or unable to afford a reasonable home than protest.

    Some Irish people are pure spineless. They'd rather moan on journal.ie or boards than ever rock the boat.
    It's not going to improve unless you speak up.


  • #184
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Everyone pays for that minimum rent. You still have not answered the question, Do you agree that 1,500 a month minimum rent is a fair asking rent for everyone?
    It's not that hard, a simple yes or a no.

    Everyone pays 1500 minimum in rent?

    Well people in social houses don’t.

    They pay 40 minimum in rent.

    Once again what are you smoking?


  • #185
    Kevin Finnerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Kevin Finnerty


    klaaaz wrote: »
    They're studios.



    Oh, a fracture in the FFG thought of mind! The defenders of the wealthy are fine with everyone paying a minimum of 1500 a month for a roof over their heads and the poor can go starve themsleves.
    There's no poor starving in Ireland.


  • #186
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    None.
    Sure, Dublin is a nice place to live. But if you cant afford it, live somewhere you can afford a roof.

    Dublin is not London, Dublin has the equivalent population wise to less than a Manchester or a Birmingham. It's pure greed as to why everyone who wishes to rent or buy is ultimately screwed in order to afford a place to live


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  • #187
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Homeless is now/hijacked by a leftist synonym for rough sleeping.

    Huge difference between the both.

    Woman sits daily on Abbey Street near Eason (except for rainy days, when she's indoors ) begging and God blessin us all, for the "homeless" like I am supposed to conclude it's a joint fund & all.


  • #188
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    I was going to make a post about this here the other day but the rules said no politics. So I went and made a thread over on the politics forum, which garnered little interest.

    anyway I'm reposting it here, shortened down a bit.





    So why don't you do what I'm doing, and attend the housing protest not as part of one of these groups?

    Stand up for yourself ffs. It's so pathetic to me that people won't raise their voice because they have these chips on their shoulders over some groups with a political agenda.
    Some of you would rather struggle financially and be worse off, or be turfed out of your apartment or unable to afford a reasonable home than protest.

    Some Irish people are pure spineless. They'd rather moan on journal.ie or boards than ever rock the boat.
    It's not going to improve unless you speak up.

    What do you want the government to do for you?

    Not been smart just asking.


  • #189
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    klaaaz wrote: »
    They're studios.



    Oh, a fracture in the FFG thought of mind! The defenders of the wealthy are fine with everyone paying a minimum of 1500 a month for a roof over their heads and the poor can go starve themsleves.

    Half that 1500 goes straight back to the state in income taxes, you know to fund welfare etc.


  • #190
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Don’t studios have roofs? Are they cabriolet studios??
    Allinall wrote: »
    They’re apartments.

    Studios, do you know what a studio is?
    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    The wealthy???

    Who are these you speak of?
    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Everyone pays 1500 minimum in rent?

    Well people in social houses don’t.

    They pay 40 minimum in rent.

    Once again what are you smoking?

    Yes, the bin with wheels. You were told earlier who the wealthy were but you stated that you were ok with high rents and high house prices so you simply don't care. A typical sign of the wealthy elite.


  • #191
    [Deleted User]
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    Everyone pays for that minimum rent. You still have not answered the question, Do you agree that 1,500 a month minimum rent is a fair asking rent for everyone?
    It's not that hard, a simple yes or a no.

    YOU’VE not answered MY question re irresponsible child bearing, so please, stop the waffle.

    If someone is working and can afford it, then €1,500 is not unreasonable. They are reaping the rewards of their years of study and hard graft.

    If they are living as an unemployed single parent with 5 seemingly fatherless children, then they take what they’re offered, even if it means moving away from mammy.


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  • #192
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Studios, do you know what a studio is?





    Yes, the bin with wheels. You were told earlier who the wealthy were but you stated that you were ok with high rents and high house prices so you simply don't care. A typical sign of the wealthy elite.

    Yes I’m real wealthy of course.


  • #193
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭Allinall


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Studios, do you know what a studio

    Yes.

    They’re apartments.


  • #194
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Half that 1500 goes straight back to the state in income taxes, you know to fund welfare etc.

    So you begrudge(assuming your figure is correct) the help that the pensioners, the disabled and the sick on welfare receive. Neo capitalism at its finest hour.


  • #195
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    klaaaz wrote: »
    So you begrudge(assuming your figure is correct) the help that the pensioners, the disabled and the sick on welfare receive. Neo capitalism at its finest hour.

    Who said that?

    I doubt you can back it up you are spouting nonsense without any substance tonight.


  • #196
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    klaaaz wrote: »
    So you begrudge(assuming your figure is correct) the help that the pensioners, the disabled and the sick on welfare receive. Neo capitalism at its finest hour.

    More than half the sick on welfare are bogus. Ireland has the highest claimant on deeability in Europe.


  • #197
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    YOU’VE not answered MY question re irresponsible child bearing, so please, stop the waffle.

    If someone is working and can afford it, then €1,500 is not unreasonable. They are reaping the rewards of their years of study and hard graft.

    If they are living as an unemployed single parent with 5 seemingly fatherless children, then they take what they’re offered, even if it means moving away from mammy.

    I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.
    So yes, you finally agree that a person being charged a minimum 1500 a month is fine to live in Dublin, and if they dare moan about that rent they should get a better job yeh?


  • #198
    Squatter
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    klaaaz wrote: »

    I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.


    A few billion surely.

    After all, there's not much point in using witless hyperbole if you don't go full commando with it!


  • #199
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Who said that?

    I doubt you can back it up you are spouting nonsense without any substance tonight.

    Mad Maxx, you should really follow the conversation
    Chinasea wrote: »
    More than half the sick on welfare are bogus. Ireland has the highest claimant on deeability in Europe.

    Proof? Or just another generalisation to knock down the poor.


  • #200
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭Allinall


    klaaaz wrote: »
    I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.
    So yes, you finally agree that a person being charged a minimum 1500 a month is fine to live in Dublin, and if they dare moan about that rent they should get a better job yeh?

    A few million eh?

    Rubbish.


  • #201
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Op has done a runner, cracked under pressure...

    "Hey, wanna join a protest?

    "For what?"

    "DONT QUESTION ME!!" *runs away*


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  • #202
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    klaaaz wrote: »
    I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.
    So yes, you finally agree that a person being charged a minimum 1500 a month is fine to live in Dublin, and if they dare moan about that rent they should get a better job yeh?

    Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

    As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.


  • #203
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Allinall wrote: »
    A few million eh?

    Rubbish.

    Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.


  • #204
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. Great sense of humor. Thanks for that. Oh, Dear.


  • #205
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    klaaaz wrote: »
    So you begrudge(assuming your figure is correct) the help that the pensioners, the disabled and the sick on welfare receive. Neo capitalism at its finest hour.

    Point was landlords contribute


  • #206
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Dublin is not London, Dublin has the equivalent population wise to less than a Manchester or a Birmingham. It's pure greed as to why everyone who wishes to rent or buy is ultimately screwed in order to afford a place to live

    Dublin is a far more important city than Manchester or Birmingham in terms of business, pointless comparing to London, it has no equal bar new York.


  • #207
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

    As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.

    You seem obsessed with Ms Cash who has garnered the media's attention and the wealthy elite's attention as a distraction to the everyday woes of the starving and those struggling to pay for a roof over their heads.

    My posts do not deserve any disdain, they speak the reality of the hardship for many. Good for you being able to pay for food and heating and never have to go to a food bank for your next meal.
    Many cannot put food on the table due to sky high rents with that minimum 1,500 a month you approve of or else they will be out in the freezing cold


  • #208
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

    As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.

    Not really going to get involved in this sh*tshow of a thread, but I also have a job and will be attending. It's on a saturday too. I work weekends but am lucky enough to be off this saturday.
    All the snide comments and personal attacks in this thread is pretty much the reason why I stopped visiting after hours a good few years ago.
    Occasionally I come back but like, comments like yours are just not helpful and stupid

    I'm going to bed now. I have to be up for work at 6am so I wont be engaging in debates, sorry. Not intended as a cop out.
    But its better than the typical *I got the last word hahaha why did you run away* type ****e like you see above.

    What do be wrong with people I don't know.
    G'luck.


  • #209
    [Deleted User]
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    You seem obsessed with Ms Cash who has garnered the media's attention and the wealthy elite's attention as a distraction to the everyday woes of the starving and those struggling to pay for a roof over their heads.

    My posts do not deserve any disdain, they speak the reality of the hardship for many. Good for you being able to pay for food and heating and never have to go to a food bank for your next meal.
    Many cannot put food on the table due to sky high rents with that minimum 1,500 a month you approve of or else they will be out in the freezing cold

    YOU mentioned Ms Cash. Not me. I actually had another “Single” mother in mind. One who was living in her old bedroom in her mothers council house, when she proceeds to have 2 more children with nowhere for them.

    There aren’t many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families. Dublin isn’t the only place in Ireland with homes to rent or buy. Those screaming loudest about the “homeless” crisis are playing you like a violin. They’re looking to the upcoming local and general elections and care little for their electorate.


  • #210
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭Allinall


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

    Yes. But the so called housing crisis doesn’t affect them all.

    I have a mortgage, as do thousands of others who are not affected.

    So your “millions” is bull****e.


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  • #211
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Point was landlords contribute

    And Reit's who have bought thousands of homes?
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Dublin is a far more important city than Manchester or Birmingham in terms of business, pointless comparing to London, it has no equal bar new York.

    You sure? Manchester/Birmingham have a larger base population. Sure Dublin has about 1.2m , but those cities have much more. Dublin is the main city on the western most island in the Atlantic, we're not a Rotterdam or Frankfurt either. There is a huge factor here as to why housing is so expensive to most major European cities, it's pure greed facilitated by FFG helping the wealthy to have cornered the market.


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