Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

PlaneSpeeking · 27-11-2018 10:50am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is a word for that.

And I'm sure she declares it to the taxman!!!

;););)

Gravelly · 27-11-2018 10:55am

sightband wrote: »

Cash ‘n Carry

Superb!

blanch152 · 27-11-2018 11:12am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sadly, a lot of the people on this thread seem to be suffering from out-group homogeneity bias. A bias which makes them view a group that is not thier own as one - as one who all think or act the same leading to stereotypes.

https://psychologydictionary.org/outgroup-homogeneity-bias/

Which is why I tried to make the point that settled people are not grouped into one group, yet they have committed the majority of serious crimes (murders etc) in this country.
In fact it is only settled people that have ever led this country to civil war for example!
The above logic is as sound as people saying that all travellers are xyz, one and the and the same!

Unfortunately, the point I was making was lost on a lot of people on this thread, which they do not wish to, or cannot grasp.

If you were to take the majority of this thread as gospel, travellers assault everyone, steal, constantly fight, none want to go to education beyond Junior Cert.
Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme.
But exactly the same thing is tried for disadvantaged groups in the settled community who need a push in the right direction.
Another poster was implying that since he knew of a travellers brother who burnt his brothers school books, the same thing will befall any traveller who is going to attempt decent education.
Oh that poster also informed me that the particular traveller (whose books were burnt) was now an alcoholic. As if it was going to happen to all travellers!

None of that is incompatible with a view that Traveller culture is broken and damaged, that Traveller culture is misogynistic and homophobic, that the Traveller cultural acceptance of criminality is wrong and also that the cultural practices of removing girls from school and marrying them off as child brides to close relatives is just horrific.

Of course not all traveller girls are married off at 16, but it is a brave Traveller girl who resists the cultural pressure. The solution is for the leadership of the Traveller community to lead these changes in attitudes. Constantly blaming the settled community for the problems caused by their own bad cultural practices is not the way to make things better.

Ruraldweller56 · 27-11-2018 11:34am

Tombo2001 wrote: »

So the point is that a lot of these people have miserable lives, and comparatively speaking I have quite a good life - so it would be a bit rich for me to compound their misery by whingeing about them on boards.ie.

My opinion.

A lot of people here clearly see it a different way.

That's not even a discussion that's going on in this thread.

This thread is about one particular serial sponger and the taxpayer funding their lifestyle while they hide behind some 'cultural' thing, aided and abetted by spineless politicians and brainless SJW liberal types with blue hair.

God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.

PlaneSpeeking · 27-11-2018 11:41am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

That's not even a discussion that's going on in this thread.

This thread is about one particular serial sponger and the taxpayer funding their lifestyle while they hide behind some 'cultural' thing, aided and abetted by spineless politicians and brainless SJW liberal types with blue hair.

God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.

Let's be thankful that Benefit Street ended. One of them scrotes went on I'm A Celebrity.

I'm a f**king CELEBRITY!!! :eek:

dan1895 · 27-11-2018 11:43am

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Why not give her her own television show?

Margaret is thought a new dance each week.
Tango and Cash.

AndyBoBandy · 27-11-2018 11:45am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.

They did similar a few years ago with a contestant on the Voice of Ireland that happened to be a traveller (who ironically was pregnant during her run on the show).

PlaneSpeeking · 27-11-2018 11:46am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

They did similar a few years ago with a contestant on the Voice of Ireland that happened to be a traveller (who ironically was pregnant during her run on the show).

I remember her - cracking voice. Sadly knew she'd never get anywhere, God given talent and you knew she'd be knocking out kids for the best part of her life.

KrustyUCC · 27-11-2018 11:53am

Yeah I remember that girl

KELLY'S ANGUISH Voice of Ireland singer Kelly Mongan McDonagh reveals she struggles to get gigs because promoters fear Traveller pals will show up
The expecting mum blasted the bias in the entertainment business who she says won't hire her out of fear she will bring other Travellers with her - backs actor John Connors' similar concerns

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/music/2687098/voice-of-ireland-singer-kelly-mongan-mcdonagh-reveals-she-struggles-to-get-gigs-because-promoters-fear-traveller-pals-will-show-up/

Reality star Kelly McDonagh Mongan slams move to outlaw teen marriages as 'anti-Traveller'

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/irish-showbiz/reality-star-kelly-mcdonagh-mongan-7020890

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 27-11-2018 11:56am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I remember her - cracking voice. Sadly knew she'd never get anywhere, God given talent and you knew she'd be knocking out kids for the best part of her life.

That was Kelly McDonagh-Mongan, subsequent star of What Kelly Did Next, who later came out to protest against a government proposal to stop under-18s from marrying: “It’s part of our tradition and any law that stops young people getting married is against Travellers.”

There you have it -- try to stop 16-year-olds from getting married, and you're branded anti-Traveller.

PlaneSpeeking · 27-11-2018 11:58am

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

That was Kelly McDonagh-Mongan, subsequent star of What Kelly Did Next, who later came out to protest against a government proposal to stop under-18s from marrying: “It’s part of our tradition and any law that stops young people getting married is against Travellers.”

There you have it -- try to stop 16-year-olds from getting married, and you're branded anti-Traveller.

I really want to be shocked but it's getting hard at this point!

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 11:59am

The mum-of-two told the Irish Sun: “Will this stop them? No it won’t.

“You can’t stop two people who want to be together. I suppose that’s our way."

Also, not obeying laws is our way so why would we bother with this one.

Mad_maxx · 27-11-2018 12:00pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

That was Kelly McDonagh-Mongan, subsequent star of What Kelly Did Next, who later came out to protest against a government proposal to stop under-18s from marrying: “It’s part of our tradition and any law that stops young people getting married is against Travellers.”

There you have it -- try to stop 16-year-olds from getting married, and you're branded anti-Traveller.

Political correctness causes brain damage.

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 12:05pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

That's not even a discussion that's going on in this thread.

This thread is about one particular serial sponger and the taxpayer funding their lifestyle while they hide behind some 'cultural' thing, aided and abetted by spineless politicians and brainless SJW liberal types with blue hair.

God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.

Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things.

Number 1. Travellers.

Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers.

Both are equally to be ridiculed.

Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion.

Its an angry mob basically.

Jerichoholic · 27-11-2018 12:08pm

Still waiting for anyone to post anything positive, go ahead if you have something.

Lefty Bicek · 27-11-2018 12:12pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things.

Number 1. Travellers.

Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers.

Both are equally to be ridiculed.

Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion.

Its an angry mob basically.

Labelling people as an angry mob is an attempt to stifle debate, not to encourage two-way discussion.

An angry mob would be no match for Traveller culture, Mullingar-style, all the same.

We are subsidising an out-of-control, inbred 'clan' who want all the protections and privileges of life here, while determined to remain on the outside of society when it suits themselves. Which it overwhelmingly does most of the time.

Jerichoholic · 27-11-2018 12:28pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

Keep hardware shops in business selling slash hooks

Not by stealing slash hooks they don't.

Ruraldweller56 · 27-11-2018 12:30pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things.

Number 1. Travellers.

Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers.

Both are equally to be ridiculed.

Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion.

Its an angry mob basically.

Alternatively nothing. Read the thread title. Your post yesterday was something along the lines of 'some women have it hard lugging kids from B&B to B&B you know'. No one anywhere on this thread has said it is or isn't. Personally I wouldn't know myself.

If you want to contribute something that might make us view this woman's situation differently feel free to do so. This woman and not 'I saw a woman on the street'.

Personally I'm glad we do have supports in place for the genuine cases and I'd imagine most folk on here would agree. But that's not the point at all in the context of this discussion.

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 12:39pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Alternatively nothing. Read the thread title. Your post yesterday was something along the lines of 'some women have it hard lugging kids from B&B to B&B you know'. No one anywhere on this thread has said it is or isn't. Personally I wouldn't know myself.

If you want to contribute something that might make us view this woman's situation differently feel free to do so. This woman and not 'I saw a woman on the street'.

Personally I'm glad we do have supports in place for the genuine cases and I'd imagine most folk on here would agree. But that's not the point at all in the context of this discussion.

I know you have zero intention of changing your view, so I'm not going to try and then leave myself open to unchecked abuse.

That's why its not a debate. Its too entrenched.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 12:40pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Still waiting for anyone to post anything positive, go ahead if you have something.

Its clearing up now, looks like a lovely day is on the way

Graces7 · 27-11-2018 12:41pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things.

Number 1. Travellers.

Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers.

Both are equally to be ridiculed.

Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion.

Its an angry mob basically.

Yep. A perfect appraisal.... well said!

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 12:41pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Labelling people as an angry mob is an attempt to stifle debate, not to encourage two-way discussion.

An angry mob would be no match for Traveller culture, Mullingar-style, all the same.

We are subsidising an out-of-control, inbred 'clan' who want all the protections and privileges of life here, while determined to remain on the outside of society when it suits themselves. Which it overwhelmingly does most of the time.

There is no two-way discussion here, its completely one way and anyone who challenges the prevailing view gets the pre-prepared and well worn tirade about "lefty liberal pinko political correct gone mad" shoved in their face.

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 12:43pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Yep. A perfect appraisal.... well said!

Why thank you!:)

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 12:44pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There is no two-way discussion here, its completely one way and anyone who challenges the prevailing view gets the pre-prepared and well worn tirade about "lefty liberal pinko political correct gone mad" shoved in their face.

In between those posts you mention there are people having a discussion about Cash and the wider problems with the entitlement culture in the traveller population.

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 12:46pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

In between those posts you mention there are people having a discussion about Cash and the wider problems with the entitlement culture in the traveller population.

A discussion - really, is that what you call it?

A bit like chatting about the weather.....casual chat is it.....FFS

Lefty Bicek · 27-11-2018 12:48pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There is no two-way discussion here, its completely one way and anyone who challenges the prevailing view gets the pre-prepared and well worn tirade about "lefty liberal pinko political correct gone mad" shoved in their face.

The 'prevailing view' prevails for a good reason.

Two-way discussion is not compulsory when matters are clear-cut, but no-one is preventing you from posting, either.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 12:49pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A discussion - really, is that what you call it?

A bit like chatting about the weather.....casual chat is it.....FFS

Yes, I called it a discussion. Its generally what these things are used for.

And no, its not small talk, its an actual issue. Whether people agree with one side or the other, I don't particularly care.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 27-11-2018 12:49pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things.

Number 1. Travellers.

Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers.

Both are equally to be ridiculed.

Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion.

Its an angry mob basically.

Sorry, but the "no debate welcome" attitude is exactly what you'll find in mainstream politics and on RTE, where anyone who dares to say anything critical about Travellers is immediately branded a racist. Look at the recent disgraceful treatment of Peter Casey, for instance.

The prevailing mainstream narrative is that Travellers are a disadvantaged ethnic minority group whose many problems have been caused by discrimination, racism, and social exclusion. Everything that goes wrong in Traveller communities is somehow regarded as settled people's fault.

People are right to call BS on this -- and the fact that Casey got 23 percent of the vote in the recent election shows that there are many in Irish society who are fed up of the pandering around Travellers. It's evident that their numerous problems are directly caused by the very "culture" that the mainstream politicians and media pundits tell us is valuable and worth protecting.

If any settled person took his daughter out of school at age 12 and married her off to her first cousin when she was 16, our politicians and media would be up in arms protesting about it. It would be seen as utterly disgraceful treatment of a vulnerable young girl that should not be condoned in a civilized society. When Travellers do exactly this, words like "tradition" and "culture" get thrown about and everyone politely looks the other way.

If you want to have a discussion about any of this, feel free.

Rory28 · 27-11-2018 12:50pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A discussion - really, is that what you call it?

A bit like chatting about the weather.....casual chat is it.....FFS

You are not helping to create a discussion. If you can say anything positive I am happy to listen to it.

blanch152 · 27-11-2018 12:58pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A discussion - really, is that what you call it?

A bit like chatting about the weather.....casual chat is it.....FFS

I think that yourself and others are choosing to reply only to the most inflammatory posts.

There are plenty of reasoned posts out there discussing the real issues with Traveller culture in a way that doesn't stigmatise all Travellers. There is plenty of room for an educated discussion about the aspects of Traveller culture that are incompatible with a modern equality-based, enlightened and tolerant society.

A tolerant society doesn't have to tolerate criminality, misogyny and homophobia. Taking girls out of school and marrying them off at 16 to become baby factories is not something that anyone should condone. Margaret Cash is in some ways as much a victim of Traveller culture as those farmers who are burgled every second week.

Similarly, strict observance of Ramadan, treatment of women, the wearing of the hijab are all issues that need to be discussed when considering the how Islamic culture translates into a modern society like ours.

Feisar · 27-11-2018 1:03pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Labelling people as an angry mob is an attempt to stifle debate, not to encourage two-way discussion.

An angry mob would be no match for Traveller culture, Mullingar-style, all the same.

We are subsidising an out-of-control, inbred 'clan' who want all the protections and privileges of life here, while determined to remain on the outside of society when it suits themselves. Which it overwhelmingly does most of the time.

I presume Mullingar-style refers to that time they carried out an assault on a house?!?

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 1:03pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

If you want to have a discussion about any of this, feel free.

I don't know how you do it. You must have posted something very similar to that 100 times in this thread in response to someone coming in and using the same old argument.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 1:04pm

Rory28 wrote: »

You are not helping to create a discussion. If you can say anything positive I am happy to listen to it.

Safe to say we all are, other than a few maybe, but it never seems to come. Just outrage instead.

KrustyUCC · 27-11-2018 1:05pm

Feisar wrote: »

I presume Mullingar-style refers to that time they carried out an assault on a house?!?

I think he is referencing the Mullingar soccer referee attack

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 27-11-2018 1:17pm

You ant even go to cemetery Sunday in mullingar without armed police all over the place incase those feral fûckers kick off and there’s a riot. In an actual graveyard. Devout catholic my eye

jmayo · 27-11-2018 1:18pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The one next door has a succession of blokes in when her aul fella is banged up. Which is quite often.

Brave lads.

Feisar wrote: »

I presume Mullingar-style refers to that time they carried out an assault on a house?!?

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think he is referencing the Mullingar soccer referee attack

Or it most probably could be this...
From Irish Times Feb 25, 2010

THE LEADERS of two families involved in a Traveller feud yesterday said they had agreed a truce after a Circuit Court judge sentenced 64 of them to suspended sentences arising from a riot 2½ years ago.

Those in court, including two women, two girls and 60 men, were charged with violent disorder over a riot in Dalton Park, Mullingar, Co Westmeath, in July 2008. They received suspended sentences of between six months and four years.

Judge Anthony Kennedy was told at a sitting of Mullingar Circuit Court, sitting in Tullamore, Co Offaly, that the riot was sparked because a member of the Nevin family had not paid a debt owed to the Dinnegan family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184

Then again it could be this...

An elderly woman suffered a head injury when she was hit with a rock as Travellers rioted yesterday.

Up to 100 thugs were involved in the disgraceful scenes when two rival families clashed in Mullingar, Co Westmeath.

Gardai seized blades, golf clubs and hammers at the scene.

Around 2,000 people were in attendance at the Mass for Cemetery Sunday Devotions when the violence flared.

Garda sources said it was incredible that no one was more seriously injured.

Locals were stunned at the outbreak of violence as a long-running dispute between Travellers turned ugly.

The elderly woman who was injured is not connected to either faction.

Gardai managed to restore order when they ejected one of the families from the cemetery. The Garda helicopter was also deployed during the operation.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/hundreds-brawl-travellers-run-riot-2125461

BTW where has that name Dinnegan cropped up recently ?

Oh yeah here it is ...

http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/man-banned-for-ref-attack-says-assault-was-wrong/

BTW look up Dinnegan Mullingar and you will see perfect example of the traveller cultural contribution to this country.

KrustyUCC · 27-11-2018 1:21pm

How in hell did everybody there get suspended sentences?

"The families decided to settle the issue with a 30-minute fight using rocks and weapons including swords, baseball bats and pitchforks."

hurler32 · 27-11-2018 1:25pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Why not give her her own television show?

John connors has one .. are all travellers not entitled to a show each ? ...

jmayo · 27-11-2018 1:29pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

How in hell did everybody there get suspended sentences?

"The families decided to settle the issue with a 30-minute fight using rocks and weapons including swords, baseball bats and pitchforks."

Because they are a special ethnic minority protected or rather excused by
a) the media,
b) the politicians,
c) the do-gooder lobby groups

and the police/justice system is sh** scared of them to a degree.

tayto lover · 27-11-2018 1:36pm

jmayo wrote: »

Because they are a special ethnic minority protected or rather excused by
a) the media,
b) the politicians,
c) the do-gooder lobby groups

and the police/justice system is sh** scared of them to a degree.

The answer is in the story.
The Garda seized weapons and took 64 of them to court in fairness.
The Judge let them off ????

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 27-11-2018 1:42pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Margaret Cash is in some ways as much a victim of Traveller culture as those farmers who are burgled every second week.

While Margaret Cash herself is far from blameless, I do see her as a product both of Traveller culture (which is responsible for her being taken out of school at 12, married at 15, and pregnant by 16) and the misguided welfare policies of the Irish state, which steadily increased her monthly income and eligibility for social housing as she had more and more children. She is now caught in a poverty trap -- but there's no doubt that her entire life would have been different if she had continued on in school, got a job, and delayed marriage and children until she was more financially secure.

Jerichoholic · 27-11-2018 1:45pm

I was at the Cemetary Sunday riot, they were throwing rocks at each other, the elderly that were there to pray for their dead were hiding behind headstones.

Absolutely zero arrests of course. If I did that do you think I would walk away with no repercussions? Then again I wouldn't do that because I'm not a ****ing animal.

end of the road · 27-11-2018 2:00pm

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Then the state shouldn't make it so advantageous to any family to increase the numbers of their children when they can't support them.

the state doesn't do that. there may be the odd person who has more children for the increased money, but i'm sure they find out quite quickly that it's not anywhere near profitible?

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Cap child benefit
Book scheme
etc

capping child benefit is unlikely to work. remember, there are countries with no wellfare system whatsoever, and yet there are large families.

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

People have to take responsibility for the circumstances of their life that they have control of. Like having children, getting an education as an adult, etc - I appreciate the children have little or no control over their circumstances.

then you would surely appreciate why the supports the state make availible to people are availible. because of the children ultimately. you don't have to like it, but it's unlikely to change as there is quite the potential for it to cause other problems which we may potentially end up paying more to try and deal with then if we had simply continued with the supports.

end of the road · 27-11-2018 2:09pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Why? Why are they entitled to it?

because the state deems quite rightly, that the children are entitled to a decent quality of life, regardless of one's opinions of the parents.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Why do people like me and my wife wait until we have steady jobs a mortgage for a house we must pay for with our own money before we start having kids? Neither of the pair of us are Einstein we just use a small bit of cop on and common sense.

because that is what you choose ultimately to do, i'd imagine.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I know people who have had accidental children. 1,2 max. Not 7.

And I'm sorry, but whatever lefty Liberal BS spin you want to put on it those are our taxes paying for other people's irresponsibility. Seriously sick of it at this stage.

Going out to work to pay these taxes and constantly wondering if my house is going to be broken into by the same people who's lifestyle I have to sponsor. It's ridiculous.

As I've said already if travellers want a life that's separate to us and involves no PAYE type stuff, no education beyond a JC, travelling around from site to site I'd actually be all for it. Just keep it to themselves and don't expect the rest of us to fund it.

it's not "lefty liberal bs" to state the realities of why the systems we have exist, and to support the existence of those systems, in recognition that without them, there are likely going to be more problems then exist with the supports continuing to exist. you aren't paying taxes for "irresponsibility" but for supports and services. if you are sick of paying taxes for such supports (by the way your tax bill wouldn't be going down if they didn't exist) then imagine how sick of paying taxes you will be for the alternative when it quite likely doesn't work?

KrustyUCC · 27-11-2018 2:10pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

While Margaret Cash herself is far from blameless, I do see her as a product both of Traveller culture (which is responsible for her being taken out of school at 12, married at 15, and pregnant by 16) and the misguided welfare policies of the Irish state, which steadily increased her monthly income and eligibility for social housing as she had more and more children. She is now caught in a poverty trap -- but there's no doubt that her entire life would have been different if she had continued on in school, got a job, and delayed marriage and children until she was more financially secure.

Margaret doesn't seem to have an issue with the culture at all

"Margaret also opened up about her life as a traveller and how she became a mother to seven children by the age of 28.

"I got married at 15," she said. "That's when I had my own family then. [As a child] my aunty fostered me and I class her kids as my own brothers and sisters.

"I went to school until the end of primary school. Being a traveller - it's hard to explain, if you don't understand it.

"When you're a traveller and get married, you claim your coop and have kids. I love that, I love my kids. I wouldn't change any of them for the world.

"I just don't have a home and I don't really care what people think."

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15036222

Marry early check
Have Kids early check
Claim coop check
Never work check

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 2:11pm

jmayo wrote: »

BTW look up Dinnegan Mullingar and you will see perfect example of the traveller cultural contribution to this country.

Amazing what info you can find with the right surname and town, everything from rape to stoning the elderly in there. Dalton Park sounds like a great spot to live.

PlaneSpeeking · 27-11-2018 2:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

the state doesn't do that. there may be the odd person who has more children for the increased money, but i'm sure they find out quite quickly that it's not anywhere near profitible?

capping child benefit is unlikely to work. remember, there are countries with no wellfare system whatsoever, and yet there are large families.

then you would surely appreciate why the supports the state make availible to people are availible. because of the children ultimately. you don't have to like it, but it's unlikely to change as there is quite the potential for it to cause other problems which we may potentially end up paying more to try and deal with then if we had simply continued with the supports.

Here we go again, the ridiculous "pay up or they'll rob us blind" argument.

I've had enough of it. No more.

We need welfare reforms now, if it means putting that money into increased law and order so be it and if we need to bring in food stamps and workhouses then fine, I've no issue with that.

I DO have an issue with the constant defending of these people who have no idea what it is like to go to work and have to pay for everything. Let's not forget the fragrant Ms Cash takes home roughly 3 times what someone on the average industrial wage takes home; still gets EVERYTHING for free and then steals on top of that!

Well you might be fine and dandy with being bled dry but I'n not. And I doubt many others are too.

Tombo2001 · 27-11-2018 2:18pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Here we go again, the ridiculous "pay up or they'll rob us blind" argument.

I've had enough of it. No more.

We need welfare reforms now, if it means putting that money into increased law and order so be it and if we need to bring in food stamps and workhouses then fine, I've no issue with that.

I DO have an issue with the constant defending of these people who have no idea what it is like to go to work and have to pay for everything. Let's not forget the fragrant Ms Cash takes home roughly 4 times what someone on the average industrial wage takes home; still gets EVERYTHING for free and then steals on top of that!

Well you might be fine and dandy with being bled dry but I'n not. And I doubt many others are too.

Ah the righteous working man :P Of course you'd never spend your day posting comments on a chat forum, because you work so hard isn't that right.

Deebles McBeebles · 27-11-2018 2:19pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Margaret doesn't seem to have an issue with the culture at all

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15036222

"Some of them even work, and they just can't afford a mortgage to put a roof over their head".

Imagine! The mad b*stards!

Floppybits · 27-11-2018 2:20pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

I was at the Cemetary Sunday riot, they were throwing rocks at each other, the elderly that were there to pray for their dead were hiding behind headstones.

Absolutely zero arrests of course. If I did that do you think I would walk away with no repercussions? Then again I wouldn't do that because I'm not a ****ing animal.

I believe the blessing of the graves ceremony that takes place during the summer is a no go for lots of folks due to the behavior of certain families.

It is disgusting that the Gardai have to be present at this ceremony just to ensure that there is no fighting during by feuding families and that other people cannot attend for fear of getting caught up in the trouble caused by these feuds.

So much for god fearing and being respectful.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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