Tombo2001 wrote: » Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things. Number 1. Travellers. Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers. Both are equally to be ridiculed. Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion. Its an angry mob basically.
Lefty Bicek wrote: » Labelling people as an angry mob is an attempt to stifle debate, not to encourage two-way discussion. An angry mob would be no match for Traveller culture, Mullingar-style, all the same. We are subsidising an out-of-control, inbred 'clan' who want all the protections and privileges of life here, while determined to remain on the outside of society when it suits themselves. Which it overwhelmingly does most of the time.
Graces7 wrote: » Yep. A perfect appraisal.... well said!
Tombo2001 wrote: » There is no two-way discussion here, its completely one way and anyone who challenges the prevailing view gets the pre-prepared and well worn tirade about "lefty liberal pinko political correct gone mad" shoved in their face.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » In between those posts you mention there are people having a discussion about Cash and the wider problems with the entitlement culture in the traveller population.
Tombo2001 wrote: » A discussion - really, is that what you call it? A bit like chatting about the weather.....casual chat is it.....FFS
Tombo2001 wrote: » Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things. Number 1. Travellers. Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers. Both are equally to be ridiculed.Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion. Its an angry mob basically.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » If you want to have a discussion about any of this, feel free.
Rory28 wrote: » You are not helping to create a discussion. If you can say anything positive I am happy to listen to it.
Feisar wrote: » I presume Mullingar-style refers to that time they carried out an assault on a house?!?
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » The one next door has a succession of blokes in when her aul fella is banged up. Which is quite often.
KrustyUCC wrote: » I think he is referencing the Mullingar soccer referee attack
THE LEADERS of two families involved in a Traveller feud yesterday said they had agreed a truce after a Circuit Court judge sentenced 64 of them to suspended sentences arising from a riot 2½ years ago. Those in court, including two women, two girls and 60 men, were charged with violent disorder over a riot in Dalton Park, Mullingar, Co Westmeath, in July 2008. They received suspended sentences of between six months and four years. Judge Anthony Kennedy was told at a sitting of Mullingar Circuit Court, sitting in Tullamore, Co Offaly, that the riot was sparked because a member of the Nevin family had not paid a debt owed to the Dinnegan family.
An elderly woman suffered a head injury when she was hit with a rock as Travellers rioted yesterday. Up to 100 thugs were involved in the disgraceful scenes when two rival families clashed in Mullingar, Co Westmeath. Gardai seized blades, golf clubs and hammers at the scene. Around 2,000 people were in attendance at the Mass for Cemetery Sunday Devotions when the violence flared. Garda sources said it was incredible that no one was more seriously injured. Locals were stunned at the outbreak of violence as a long-running dispute between Travellers turned ugly. The elderly woman who was injured is not connected to either faction. Gardai managed to restore order when they ejected one of the families from the cemetery. The Garda helicopter was also deployed during the operation.
Jerichoholic wrote: » Why not give her her own television show?
KrustyUCC wrote: » How in hell did everybody there get suspended sentences? "The families decided to settle the issue with a 30-minute fight using rocks and weapons including swords, baseball bats and pitchforks."
jmayo wrote: » Because they are a special ethnic minority protected or rather excused by a) the media, b) the politicians, c) the do-gooder lobby groups and the police/justice system is sh** scared of them to a degree.
blanch152 wrote: » Margaret Cash is in some ways as much a victim of Traveller culture as those farmers who are burgled every second week.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Then the state shouldn't make it so advantageous to any family to increase the numbers of their children when they can't support them.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Cap child benefit Book scheme etc
It wasnt me123 wrote: » People have to take responsibility for the circumstances of their life that they have control of. Like having children, getting an education as an adult, etc - I appreciate the children have little or no control over their circumstances.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Why? Why are they entitled to it?
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Why do people like me and my wife wait until we have steady jobs a mortgage for a house we must pay for with our own money before we start having kids? Neither of the pair of us are Einstein we just use a small bit of cop on and common sense.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » I know people who have had accidental children. 1,2 max. Not 7. And I'm sorry, but whatever lefty Liberal BS spin you want to put on it those are our taxes paying for other people's irresponsibility. Seriously sick of it at this stage. Going out to work to pay these taxes and constantly wondering if my house is going to be broken into by the same people who's lifestyle I have to sponsor. It's ridiculous. As I've said already if travellers want a life that's separate to us and involves no PAYE type stuff, no education beyond a JC, travelling around from site to site I'd actually be all for it. Just keep it to themselves and don't expect the rest of us to fund it.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » While Margaret Cash herself is far from blameless, I do see her as a product both of Traveller culture (which is responsible for her being taken out of school at 12, married at 15, and pregnant by 16) and the misguided welfare policies of the Irish state, which steadily increased her monthly income and eligibility for social housing as she had more and more children. She is now caught in a poverty trap -- but there's no doubt that her entire life would have been different if she had continued on in school, got a job, and delayed marriage and children until she was more financially secure.
jmayo wrote: » BTW look up Dinnegan Mullingar and you will see perfect example of the traveller cultural contribution to this country.
end of the road wrote: » the state doesn't do that. there may be the odd person who has more children for the increased money, but i'm sure they find out quite quickly that it's not anywhere near profitible? capping child benefit is unlikely to work. remember, there are countries with no wellfare system whatsoever, and yet there are large families. then you would surely appreciate why the supports the state make availible to people are availible. because of the children ultimately. you don't have to like it, but it's unlikely to change as there is quite the potential for it to cause other problems which we may potentially end up paying more to try and deal with then if we had simply continued with the supports.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Here we go again, the ridiculous "pay up or they'll rob us blind" argument. I've had enough of it. No more. We need welfare reforms now, if it means putting that money into increased law and order so be it and if we need to bring in food stamps and workhouses then fine, I've no issue with that. I DO have an issue with the constant defending of these people who have no idea what it is like to go to work and have to pay for everything. Let's not forget the fragrant Ms Cash takes home roughly 4 times what someone on the average industrial wage takes home; still gets EVERYTHING for free and then steals on top of that! Well you might be fine and dandy with being bled dry but I'n not. And I doubt many others are too.
KrustyUCC wrote: » Margaret doesn't seem to have an issue with the culture at allhttps://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15036222
Jerichoholic wrote: » I was at the Cemetary Sunday riot, they were throwing rocks at each other, the elderly that were there to pray for their dead were hiding behind headstones. Absolutely zero arrests of course. If I did that do you think I would walk away with no repercussions? Then again I wouldn't do that because I'm not a ****ing animal.
